Advice for doing two marathons in two months??

Advice for doing two marathons in two months??

Post by Max Powe » Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:52:30


I am doing a marathon in October and am thinking of doing another in
December.  Has anyone done two marathons this close together?  If so, do you
have any training advice on how I can finish both marathons without killing
myself.

Thanks.
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Advice for doing two marathons in two months??

Post by Duane Mors » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:38:39

Have you a marathon before?  If so, you should know how long it takes to
recover.  If the 2 races are 8 weeks
apart, you should be able to recover from one, get in a couple of weeks of
marathon training, then taper again
for the second.

If the races are closer together (say 6 weeks), or if you know from
experience that it takes you more than 3
weeks to really recover from a marathon, then your best bet would be to run
the first one as a decent
training run and but not as a race (i.e., use the second as your primary
target).



Quote:
> I am doing a marathon in October and am thinking of doing another in
> December.  Has anyone done two marathons this close together?  If so, do
you
> have any training advice on how I can finish both marathons without
killing
> myself.

> Thanks.
> --
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> Speed Kills.  It kills those that don't have it!
> Max Power's Book Recommendation: Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser.
>  Did you know that dimethylpolysiloxane prevents foaming in McDonald's
>  "food"?  Funny thing is, kids would probably love it if the fries would
>  get all foamy.  "Fast Food Nation" has a nice section on the sinister
>  "natural flavoring" industry, most of whom are housed in hideous
>  little prison-like buildings off the Jersey turnpike.  Great book, if
>  you haven't read it.
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


 
 
 

Advice for doing two marathons in two months??

Post by Roger 2 » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 01:31:03

Quote:

>I am doing a marathon in October and am thinking of doing another in
>December.  Has anyone done two marathons this close together?  If so, do
you
>have any training advice on how I can finish both marathons without killing
>myself.

You sound sane to me.  I might end up doing a total of 3 marathons in 3
months and my very first one was just 8 days ago.

I talked to a few different people about it, and here is what they've said.
1.  We've done it.
2.  It could take you 6 weeks to recover from both (the next two).
3.  If you want to do your best on the second one(meaning third), I'd
recommend running no more than half the distance of your longest run.

The last two people were trainers, the first one was just a married couple.

Everyone is different and I've taken 2 to 6 months off during the winter
months anyway.

Thanks,
        Roger - It never hurts more than a couple days anymore -

 
 
 

Advice for doing two marathons in two months??

Post by Portia Berga » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 02:14:54

I once did 2 marathons in 2 weeks.  I was training for the Catalina marathon
and was sick the weekend that I was supposed to do my long run.  I went to
hang out at the LA marathon expo and ran into Jeff Galloway and explained my
dilemma.  I asked if I could run LA as a training run.  He said 'yes', but
do it really slowly.  And since I knew that Catalina wasn't exactly going to
be a fast race, I went ahead.  It was interesting to do 2 marathons in 13
days, but I can't say I'd recommend it.  Then again, it wasn't the worst
thing I've ever done.

Now about 2 marathons in 2 months, it depends on the shape you're in.  I
once did LA in March, then a marathon in Olympia Washington in May.  Both
were fine, I felt no effects from the LA marathon at all.  I ran both in
pretty good time.

Good luck!

PB

Quote:

> >I am doing a marathon in October and am thinking of doing another in
> >December.  Has anyone done two marathons this close together?  If so, do
> you
> >have any training advice on how I can finish both marathons without
killing
> >myself.

> You sound sane to me.  I might end up doing a total of 3 marathons in 3
> months and my very first one was just 8 days ago.

> I talked to a few different people about it, and here is what they've
said.
> 1.  We've done it.
> 2.  It could take you 6 weeks to recover from both (the next two).
> 3.  If you want to do your best on the second one(meaning third), I'd
> recommend running no more than half the distance of your longest run.

> The last two people were trainers, the first one was just a married
couple.

> Everyone is different and I've taken 2 to 6 months off during the winter
> months anyway.

> Thanks,
>         Roger - It never hurts more than a couple days anymore -

 
 
 

Advice for doing two marathons in two months??

Post by Marilyn and Bill LaDie » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 03:06:57

Assuming you are trained to run the event, racing two within a month should
be not be a problem. If your second marathon is your goal race, run your
first race at fast training pace. For instance, If you want to break 3:15
(goal race) find a race 2-3 weeks before and try to run about 3:40 or so. If
its your first race, hammer the run and hope for the best in second, you may
be surprised at how well you do.

Bill LaDieu


Quote:
> Have you a marathon before?  If so, you should know how long it takes to
> recover.  If the 2 races are 8 weeks
> apart, you should be able to recover from one, get in a couple of weeks of
> marathon training, then taper again
> for the second.

> If the races are closer together (say 6 weeks), or if you know from
> experience that it takes you more than 3
> weeks to really recover from a marathon, then your best bet would be to
run
> the first one as a decent
> training run and but not as a race (i.e., use the second as your primary
> target).



> > I am doing a marathon in October and am thinking of doing another in
> > December.  Has anyone done two marathons this close together?  If so, do
> you
> > have any training advice on how I can finish both marathons without
> killing
> > myself.

> > Thanks.
> > --
> > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > Speed Kills.  It kills those that don't have it!
> > Max Power's Book Recommendation: Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser.
> >  Did you know that dimethylpolysiloxane prevents foaming in McDonald's
> >  "food"?  Funny thing is, kids would probably love it if the fries would
> >  get all foamy.  "Fast Food Nation" has a nice section on the sinister
> >  "natural flavoring" industry, most of whom are housed in hideous
> >  little prison-like buildings off the Jersey turnpike.  Great book, if
> >  you haven't read it.
> > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

 
 
 

Advice for doing two marathons in two months??

Post by amh » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 04:06:56

Review your goals (if you have any) before hand and get a good feeling for what
you want to do.

If you are training for the first one then continue with your training and
figure the second one as an "easy" not much effort marathon. Expect the second
one to be slower but you never know. After the first one take a 2-3 week
recovery where you run distances of less than 10 miles. You can judge how you
feel and how your recovery is going. But I'd say you'll probably not want to do
a long run before that. You can run one or two 15-18 miler(s) and follow that up
with two 18-20 milers. Take a two week taper and you can run another marathon.

On the other hand you can use the first one as a training run for the second
(although it comes early in the training).

When you run a marathon you'll need to recover but you won't have lost all your
ability. Just be sure to take enough time off to recover and let your legs
refresh themselves by sticking to shorter runs.

I did 2 marathons in 1 month when my first marathon was a disaster and decided
to jump into a marathon a few weeks later. Ran the second one faster. Many
people have run 2 marathons in 2 months. It isn't something that isn't possible.

Andy

Quote:

> I am doing a marathon in October and am thinking of doing another in
> December.  Has anyone done two marathons this close together?  If so, do you
> have any training advice on how I can finish both marathons without killing
> myself.

> Thanks.
> --
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> Speed Kills.  It kills those that don't have it!
> Max Power's Book Recommendation: Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser.
>  Did you know that dimethylpolysiloxane prevents foaming in McDonald's
>  "food"?  Funny thing is, kids would probably love it if the fries would
>  get all foamy.  "Fast Food Nation" has a nice section on the sinister
>  "natural flavoring" industry, most of whom are housed in hideous
>  little prison-like buildings off the Jersey turnpike.  Great book, if
>  you haven't read it.
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

 
 
 

Advice for doing two marathons in two months??

Post by Don Kirkma » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 06:30:22

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Max Power wrote in article

Quote:
>I am doing a marathon in October and am thinking of doing another in
>December.  Has anyone done two marathons this close together?  If so, do you
>have any training advice on how I can finish both marathons without killing
>myself.

I see you're getting some good advice. For several years I ran two local
marathons about four to five weeks apart, but I've never run for speed,
especially in marathons.  At best I was running right around four hour
races in those days (I was 60ish), and I couldn't see that the close
timing made much difference.  Recovery and aftereffects were about the
same in the second race as in the first.
--
Don

 
 
 

Advice for doing two marathons in two months??

Post by Sam » Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:20:55

Pete Pfitzinger in his second book, Advanced Marathon Training, gives
programs for what to do between 2 marathons close together.  I have not
tried it yet (I like his marathon program) but it seems logical.



Quote:
> I am doing a marathon in October and am thinking of doing another in
> December.  Has anyone done two marathons this close together?  If so, do
you
> have any training advice on how I can finish both marathons without
killing
> myself.

> Thanks.
> --
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> Speed Kills.  It kills those that don't have it!
> Max Power's Book Recommendation: Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser.
>  Did you know that dimethylpolysiloxane prevents foaming in McDonald's
>  "food"?  Funny thing is, kids would probably love it if the fries would
>  get all foamy.  "Fast Food Nation" has a nice section on the sinister
>  "natural flavoring" industry, most of whom are housed in hideous
>  little prison-like buildings off the Jersey turnpike.  Great book, if
>  you haven't read it.
> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

 
 
 

Advice for doing two marathons in two months??

Post by Aito » Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:26:53

I am trying to do two marathons in 4 weeks time, and that is my goal:
finish the first and race the second.

Regards

Aitor
http://w3.to/travellers



Quote:
>Have you a marathon before?  If so, you should know how long it takes to
>recover.  If the 2 races are 8 weeks
>apart, you should be able to recover from one, get in a couple of weeks of
>marathon training, then taper again
>for the second.

>If the races are closer together (say 6 weeks), or if you know from
>experience that it takes you more than 3
>weeks to really recover from a marathon, then your best bet would be to run
>the first one as a decent
>training run and but not as a race (i.e., use the second as your primary
>target).



>> I am doing a marathon in October and am thinking of doing another in
>> December.  Has anyone done two marathons this close together?  If so, do
>you
>> have any training advice on how I can finish both marathons without
>killing
>> myself.

>> Thanks.
>> --
>> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>> Speed Kills.  It kills those that don't have it!
>> Max Power's Book Recommendation: Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser.
>>  Did you know that dimethylpolysiloxane prevents foaming in McDonald's
>>  "food"?  Funny thing is, kids would probably love it if the fries would
>>  get all foamy.  "Fast Food Nation" has a nice section on the sinister
>>  "natural flavoring" industry, most of whom are housed in hideous
>>  little prison-like buildings off the Jersey turnpike.  Great book, if
>>  you haven't read it.
>> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

 
 
 

Advice for doing two marathons in two months??

Post by Joseph Meeha » Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:12:45

    Personally would want more like eight weeks between to allow full
recovery and rebuild from the first.  But then remember I am 53 years old
and I may need more recovery time than you do.

--
Dia 's Muire duit

Joseph E. Meehan


Quote:
> I am trying to do two marathons in 4 weeks time, and that is my goal:
> finish the first and race the second.

> Regards

> Aitor
> http://w3.to/travellers



> >Have you a marathon before?  If so, you should know how long it takes to
> >recover.  If the 2 races are 8 weeks
> >apart, you should be able to recover from one, get in a couple of weeks
of
> >marathon training, then taper again
> >for the second.

> >If the races are closer together (say 6 weeks), or if you know from
> >experience that it takes you more than 3
> >weeks to really recover from a marathon, then your best bet would be to
run
> >the first one as a decent
> >training run and but not as a race (i.e., use the second as your primary
> >target).



> >> I am doing a marathon in October and am thinking of doing another in
> >> December.  Has anyone done two marathons this close together?  If so,
do
> >you
> >> have any training advice on how I can finish both marathons without
> >killing
> >> myself.

> >> Thanks.
> >> --

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Quote:
> >> Speed Kills.  It kills those that don't have it!
> >> Max Power's Book Recommendation: Fast Food Nation by Eric Schlosser.
> >>  Did you know that dimethylpolysiloxane prevents foaming in McDonald's
> >>  "food"?  Funny thing is, kids would probably love it if the fries
would
> >>  get all foamy.  "Fast Food Nation" has a nice section on the sinister
> >>  "natural flavoring" industry, most of whom are housed in hideous
> >>  little prison-like buildings off the Jersey turnpike.  Great book, if
> >>  you haven't read it.

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Advice for doing two marathons in two months??

Post by David Harri » Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:45:43

Quote:

> I am trying to do two marathons in 4 weeks time, and that is my goal:
> finish the first and race the second....

Many have advised doing the first as a training, and saving your all-out effort
for the second.  I have done 2 marathons 6 weeks apart twice now, and have used
the opposite approach:   Run the first one hard, and see what happens on the
second.  In both cases, the second one was faster (by 3-5 minutes).  Since your
recovery from the first, and taper for the second overlap, I'd spend the 4
intervening weeks really focussing on speed work.  I wouldn't run much at all in
the first week after the first race.  In both cases I think I could have done
better if I'd been able to follow my plan, but I was tired of training.

The advantage of this approach is that you are guaranteed of one good race.  I'd
be afraid of leaving something on the table in the first race, but still being
too beat up (either physically or mentally) to really go for the second race.
Even at an easy pace, it's still a long distance.

Just trying to keep your options open.

d

 
 
 

Advice for doing two marathons in two months??

Post by Doug Frees » Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:56:00

Quote:


> > I am trying to do two marathons in 4 weeks time, and that is my goal:
> > finish the first and race the second....

> Many have advised doing the first as a training, and saving your all-out effort
> for the second.  I have done 2 marathons 6 weeks apart twice now, and have used
> the opposite approach:  

The answer to this lies in the condition of Aitor. For the average bear
I would use the first as the last long run, taper and give the second
his best shot. There are marathon training programs that
suggest your last run is 24-28 miles so this first race simply
lines up.

Doing the first one hard and then trying to do the second even easy,
much less hard, is stacking the deck against you. I might suggest
that if you had run your first easy, you might have run your second
even faster.

Your scenario works for those with high mileage and fast
recovery which I suspect from Aitor's post, is not the case.
If he was, he would know the answer. :)

--
Caveat Lector
Doug Freese

 
 
 

Advice for doing two marathons in two months??

Post by rick » Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:04:49

I suggest being in "continual marathon condition".   Then a marathon run would
merely be a harder versions of your regular long runs.

To me this means average 100 km a week (60+ miles) and long runs of 2-3 hours
every other week.  It may take a couple years to get up to this stage.

 
 
 

Advice for doing two marathons in two months??

Post by ProfWdes » Tue, 25 Sep 2001 10:20:01

don't