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I have recently moved to the Bay Area from New York.  I would like to find
a running club for distance running training and speed workouts.  I hope
to start a training program for a marathon in early '95 and would like to
find a support group in the area.  South Bay preferred.  Any leads?

I've just come back from New Hampshire where I ran (mostly) and walked
up two miles worth of Mt. Washington--a literally breathtaking experience,
but one which makes me want to do the race they have there every June.
Questions:

1.  What kind of training is best for such a race?

2.  What is the address for obtaining an application?  I understand that
entries close out quickly, in a week.

3.  Any experiences that you'd like to relate about having run this race?

Post privately or to the list.  Thanks in advance!

Lenore Beaky

Try checking with Ryans Running store/shoe store there in Santa Clara; it
is owned by Gary Goettleman, who sponsors and coaches one of the clubs in
the south bay.  Gary was a national class 5,000 meter runner 20 years ago,
and still was a great runner in his early 40s when he produced a marathon
or two in the sub 2:30s--he is very strong minded and some term out-spoken
or even abrasive, but he is dedicated to helping people be better runners.

There is also the Stevens Creek Striders and West Valley (Track Club); get
a copy (free) of something called THE SCHEDULE for other options.  Call
Jack Leydig for info on West Valley (595-2249).  Regards,  George Parrott,
Director of Training for the Buffalo Chips Running Club in Sacramento.

: I've just come back from New Hampshire where I ran (mostly) and walked
: up two miles worth of Mt. Washington--a literally breathtaking experience,
: but one which makes me want to do the race they have there every June.
: Questions:
:  
: 1.  What kind of training is best for such a race?
       Run UPhill a lot. (Upper west side, da bronix, maybe)  
: 2.  What is the address for obtaining an application?  I understand that
: entries close out quickly, in a week.
       Dunno snail-mail, but tele is 603-863-2537 (Gorham, NH)
: 3.  Any experiences that you'd like to relate about having run this race?
       I've never run it. I run Mt Whitney.  
: Post privately or to the list.  Thanks in advance!
:  
: Lenore Beaky

(sippinjavaandrootinforthe1994worldchampionMETSinLongBeachCalifornia
wheretheearthmovesundermyfeet)

|> > I have recently moved to the Bay Area from New York.  I would like to
|> find
|> > a running club for distance running training and speed workouts.  I
|> hope
|> > to start a training program for a marathon in early '95 and would like
|> to
|>
|> Try checking with Ryans Running store/shoe store there in Santa Clara;
|> it
|> is owned by Gary Goettleman, who sponsors and coaches one of the clubs
|> in
|> the south bay.  Gary was a national class 5,000 meter runner 20 years
|> ago,
|> and still was a great runner in his early 40s when he produced a
|> marathon
|> or two in the sub 2:30s--he is very strong minded and some term
|> out-spoken
|> or even abrasive, but he is dedicated to helping people be better
|> runners.
|>
|> There is also the Stevens Creek Striders and West Valley (Track Club);
|> get
|> a copy (free) of something called THE SCHEDULE for other options.  Call
|> Jack Leydig for info on West Valley (595-2249).  Regards,  George
|> Parrott,
|> Director of Training for the Buffalo Chips Running Club in Sacramento.
|>
|> > find a support group in the area.  South Bay preferred.  Any leads?

There's also the Palo Alto Run Club. Call Warren Racine at (415)328-4434
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will be glad to help.

Probably :-)

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Tiedemann) says:
race?

   I "ran" up Mt Washington in '90 or '91.  7.6 miles or so, >4000 ft
elevation change, and it gets steeper, and the air thinner, the higher
you go.  I ran on a beautiful day, but there have been race days when it
is fogged in at the top, or very strong winds.  I did some special
training for the race, running 12 miles up Mt Greylock (about 2800 ft
elevation change) several times; this always felt good.  But Mt
Washington is higher, longer, and steeper . . . Race day, I started out
running at what I thought was a reasonable pace and felt comfortable but
completely fell apart about halfway through.  I ended up walking some and
finished 8-9 minutes behind guys that I could beat in a 10K.  In % terms,
I've never been as far behind the winner as I was in this race.

   What's weird is that I wasn't sore at all the next day -- tired, but
not sore.  Others had told me to expect this from a long uphill run.

   I think maintaining mental concentration is even more important -- and
more difficult -- in this race than in normal races.  

    It's nice to be able to say that I've done the race -- but I haven't
been tempted to do it again!

FYI:
Sunday, September 25, 7:00am, Pinkham Notch, weather permitting,
the second annual Mt. Washington Trail Race will take place.
This is not an official race -- there are no times, no support,
no race director.

It is a 4.1 mile, 4,000 foot climb to the summit on the Tuckerman
Ravine Trail, followed by a 5.5 mile descent down the Nelson Crag
Trail and Old Jackson Path.

This is one of the most difficult trail runs in North America
(RWD > 13!). Last year's winner ascended in 1:06; no one descended
faster than they ascended.

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I do believe the trek from Badwater, CA at 282 feet BELOW sea level to
the peak of Mt. Whitney at 14,494 feet ABOVE sea level is probably a more
taxing run than your four miler in the Granite State. In order to make it
even more "enjoyable" most folks start the run between 6 am and noon on
any day in July or August. My attack of the 150 mile course will commence
at 0600 on 4 July 1995. I also plan to turn around and return to
Badwater, covering 300 miles total. Would you like to join me?

(sippinSamuelAdamsandmourningthedeathofbaseballinLongBeachCaliforniawhere
theearthmovesundermyfeet)

I ran this race this Summer and had a great time.  The temperature at
the start was 96 F, and sunny.  I just ran hilly 12-15 milers on the
weekends to prepare, in addition to my normal weekly runs.

I do have good advise which applies unless you are an elite runner.
Based on advise from an ultra-runner friend of mine, I walked and ran.
My first walk started at about 1/2 mile, and I walked and ran the
remainer of the race.  I found that my walking pace nearly matched most
of the runners, and that I could then run away from them when I resumed
running.  This actually gave me a good finishing time, and allowed me to
enjoy the event.  Those who doggedly refused to stop running had slow
times and did not look happy.

So, enjoy and stay aerobic

Jim Davis
Rochester NY

writes:

Is July 4th the official date of this run?

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Sorry, Marshall Ulrich's phenomenal 26:34:10 gives the Badwater
146 a relatively easy RWD of 5.93. No doubt it's an extremely
difficult race; and we'll be watching for reports of your poor burned
carcass in Ultrarunning.

If you're really into difficult ultras, why not try the
Hardrock 100? It's far more difficult than Badwater (RWD=14.93),
and you could do that one twice, too! Better yet, someone
needs to try the Barkley 100....

;>

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