Has anyone stopped wearing their orthotics??

Has anyone stopped wearing their orthotics??

Post by Ale » Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:17:54


Hi all,

I am thinking of stopping wearing my custom orthotics as a little
experiment.  I have been wearing them for about 10 months for plantar
fasciitis which developed in October, 2000.  I have read a number of
articles and talked to doctors who suggest that the orthotics are
acting as a crutch for my weak foot muscles.

Has anyone stopped using orthotics after having worm them for some
time?  I'd love to hear some stories.

Thanks,
Muk

 
 
 

Has anyone stopped wearing their orthotics??

Post by Roger 2 » Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:46:25

Quote:

>Hi all,

>I am thinking of stopping wearing my custom orthotics as a little
>experiment.  I have been wearing them for about 10 months for plantar
>fasciitis which developed in October, 2000.  I have read a number of
>articles and talked to doctors who suggest that the orthotics are
>acting as a crutch for my weak foot muscles.

>Has anyone stopped using orthotics after having worm them for some
>time?  I'd love to hear some stories.

Muk,

I had forgotten was it was but after looking it up, I found:
http://www.runnersworld.com/home/0,1300,1-0-79-533,FF.html

Now I remember my old morning pain and what I did about it.

I started making a point of sleeping with my feet off the end of the bed, so
they can stay pointed the same way they are when I walk or run.  I also
added thin insoles to one pair of my racing flats and lost a few pounds.
I've been doing pretty well lately and haven't noticed the "morning pain."

Oh ya, I also do exercises where you walk on the outside of your foot for a
few steps, or you pick up things with your toes and they seem to help.

I will still wear insoles in my trainers, but those shoes are over a year
old and they need the extra cushioning anyway.

Thanks,
        Roger

 
 
 

Has anyone stopped wearing their orthotics??

Post by Ozzie Gonta » Sat, 23 Feb 2002 03:53:30


Quote:

> Hi all,

> I am thinking of stopping wearing my custom orthotics as a little
> experiment.  I have been wearing them for about 10 months for plantar
> fasciitis which developed in October, 2000.  I have read a number of
> articles and talked to doctors who suggest that the orthotics are
> acting as a crutch for my weak foot muscles.

> Has anyone stopped using orthotics after having worm them for some
> time?  I'd love to hear some stories.

> Thanks,
> Muk

Muk,

Back in the 70's I went through 4 or 5 different pairs of orthotics from
soft to hard and all in between.  I finally stopped using them.   What I
did do and continue to do on a monthly basis is have my Rolfer do an
ongoing adjustment.  It's worked for me.   The other thing is that all that
I talk about form and style is because it made sense and I've played with
it and continue to play with it with all those who are willing to be their
own experiment of one.  They get to educate themselves about what works and
what doesn't.  And when they get back to me, I'm continually learning new
ways of looking at running to make it efficient and effective....in making
it a lifelong journey.

--
In health and on the run,
Ozzie Gontang
Maintainer - rec.running FAQ
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/by-newsgroup/rec/rec.running.html
Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic, est. 1975

Mindful Running http://www.mindfulness.com/mr.asp

 
 
 

Has anyone stopped wearing their orthotics??

Post by Ale » Sat, 23 Feb 2002 06:21:00

Thanks for the responses.  To elaborate on my current situation...

The impetus for my removing the orthotics is that, strangely, I get a
lot of relief from my PF when I am at home walking around in my
flip-flops.  They are thick-soled Tevas, which provide a fair amount
of cushioning for my feet.  I thought to myself that it was pretty
weird that my feet feel best when NOT wearing the orthotics.

Ozzie - I appreciate your comment on experimenting, as I am at the
point where I feel like I HAVE to experiment in order to get better.
One of my doctors has said that, in his 20 years of practice, he has
not seen any unilateral agreement on treatment for plantar fasciitis.
I think that we as the patients may need to fill in that gap and
attempt to see what works best for us.

I am currently not running, but plan to start again gradually in a few
weeks.  I have not decided whether I should wear the orthotics when I
run, or just keep them off altogether.

Any thoughts?

Regards,
Muk

Quote:



> > Hi all,

> > I am thinking of stopping wearing my custom orthotics as a little
> > experiment.  I have been wearing them for about 10 months for plantar
> > fasciitis which developed in October, 2000.  I have read a number of
> > articles and talked to doctors who suggest that the orthotics are
> > acting as a crutch for my weak foot muscles.

> > Has anyone stopped using orthotics after having worm them for some
> > time?  I'd love to hear some stories.

> > Thanks,
> > Muk

> Muk,

> Back in the 70's I went through 4 or 5 different pairs of orthotics from
> soft to hard and all in between.  I finally stopped using them.   What I
> did do and continue to do on a monthly basis is have my Rolfer do an
> ongoing adjustment.  It's worked for me.   The other thing is that all that
> I talk about form and style is because it made sense and I've played with
> it and continue to play with it with all those who are willing to be their
> own experiment of one.  They get to educate themselves about what works and
> what doesn't.  And when they get back to me, I'm continually learning new
> ways of looking at running to make it efficient and effective....in making
> it a lifelong journey.

 
 
 

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Post by Doug Frees » Sat, 23 Feb 2002 06:23:44

Quote:

> I am thinking of stopping wearing my custom orthotics as a little
> experiment.  I have been wearing them for about 10 months for plantar
> fasciitis which developed in October, 2000.  I have read a number of
> articles and talked to doctors who suggest that the orthotics are
> acting as a crutch for my weak foot muscles.

> Has anyone stopped using orthotics after having worm them for some
> time?  I'd love to hear some stories.

My story.  

Yes but let me qualify. When I first started running
I got PF. I went to a foot vet that prescribed
orthotics for EVERY runner that came into his
office. I knew nothing so I followed the doctors
bouncing ball and got a pair. Some years later I went to
a different foot vet who was friend and fellow runner for
a knee problem. While examining me he looked
at my shoes to see my wear pattern and noticed the
orthotics. He asked, but knew the answer, why are you
wearing orthotics? I explained one of his fellow foot
dudes told me I had to have them. He took a close
look at my feet and said you pronate about 2 degrees
and need orthotics about as much as I need another
wife. He just divorced his third.

As an experiment I took them out one day of running
for the first week, and then twice for next two
weeks and weaned myself from them. About 10+ years
later I though I had another bout of PF and finally
after an MRI, bursitis in the heel was the diagnosis.
The only way to take the pressure off the heel was a custom
orthotic with the heel scooped out. I still wear them
and have no desire to risk awakening the old injury
and they don't do any harm.  

P.S. The original foot vet got *** rich before
the word got out that he "over prescribed."  I understood
that every old person that came in with blisters and
corns walked out with orthotics.  

--
Caveat Lector
"the further you go outside, the further you go inside" - B. McKibben
Doug Freese

 
 
 

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Post by Bil » Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:39:13

Many years ago, for another reason.  Twice.
Work on form, quality vs. quantity at first, then add to volume.
Learn the signs of different types of overuse wear and detect them
early.
Select best shoe type, best running surface, best preventive routines,
best exercise mix, a low impact running style,  ... and the orthotic
becomes superfluous.

Just piling on the road miles probably does not work with most people
and seems to break down the body's suspension rather than build it up.
 Have known a number of people who loved to run and ignored the pain
with predictable results, and the number of folks who say it damages
their knees constitutes a sizeable part of the active population.

For me, intense or long efforts followed by longer recovery seem to
improve condition.  In cycling, one half day a week with a short
midweek speed session does wonders, even compared to those who are out
every day.  When windsurfing everyday, a weekly intense or LSD road
run keeps my running performance about level.  Now, I am reading about
shoulder injuries from windsurfers who do not treat that activity with
respect, and you guessed it, do not plan recovery breaks.

Quote:



> > Hi all,

> > I am thinking of stopping wearing my custom orthotics as a little
> > experiment.  I have been wearing them for about 10 months for plantar
> > fasciitis which developed in October, 2000.  I have read a number of
> > articles and talked to doctors who suggest that the orthotics are
> > acting as a crutch for my weak foot muscles.

> > Has anyone stopped using orthotics after having worm them for some
> > time?  I'd love to hear some stories.

> > Thanks,
> > Muk

> Muk,

> Back in the 70's I went through 4 or 5 different pairs of orthotics from
> soft to hard and all in between.  I finally stopped using them.   What I
> did do and continue to do on a monthly basis is have my Rolfer do an
> ongoing adjustment.  It's worked for me.   The other thing is that all that
> I talk about form and style is because it made sense and I've played with
> it and continue to play with it with all those who are willing to be their
> own experiment of one.  They get to educate themselves about what works and
> what doesn't.  And when they get back to me, I'm continually learning new
> ways of looking at running to make it efficient and effective....in making
> it a lifelong journey.

 
 
 

Has anyone stopped wearing their orthotics??

Post by Jerry Freedm » Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:43:31

Quote:

> Hi all,

> I am thinking of stopping wearing my custom orthotics as a little
> experiment.  I have been wearing them for about 10 months for plantar
> fasciitis which developed in October, 2000.  I have read a number of
> articles and talked to doctors who suggest that the orthotics are
> acting as a crutch for my weak foot muscles.

> Has anyone stopped using orthotics after having worm them for some
> time?  I'd love to hear some stories.

> Thanks,
> Muk

 I used to run a lot 10 years ago and my shoes were loaded with stuff(
orthotics, heel cups etc). I quit running for various reasons and
recently had my knee arthroscopically fixed and started running again,
orthotics and all. I immediately started getting shin splints and PF
again. I googled this group and found Ozzie Gontang. I read all his
old posts, dumped my expensive shoes with orthotics bought some racing
flats and now, when the weather is appropriate I even run barefoot. I
still have some aches in my left ankle and knee but I am experimenting
with Ozzies rolling pin massage and it seems to be working.

Jerry Freedman

 
 
 

Has anyone stopped wearing their orthotics??

Post by Don Kirkma » Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:45:51

It seems to me I heard somewhere that Alex wrote in article

Quote:
>I am thinking of stopping wearing my custom orthotics as a little
>experiment.  I have been wearing them for about 10 months for plantar
>fasciitis which developed in October, 2000.  I have read a number of
>articles and talked to doctors who suggest that the orthotics are
>acting as a crutch for my weak foot muscles.
>Has anyone stopped using orthotics after having worm them for some
>time?  I'd love to hear some stories.

I wore my hard orthotics in running shoes and in street shoes for
perhaps two years.  I stopped using them in running shoes first--the
stiffness seemed to interfere with foot flexion.  Some little time later
I stopped wearing them in street shoes, too.  This was some ten or
twelve or more years ago.  

Just recently I've felt some slight twinges in my left foot (the
affected one) and resumed using the orthotics in golf shoes (strong
sideways stresses during the stroke) and in street shoes, but not in
running shoes.  I can feel the orthotic in the left shoe much more than
the right one, so that foot must be still flattening out some--but no
pain since I stopped wearing the orthotics way back when.

Since I'm retired I only wear street shoes a few hours a week, so I
don't want to mislead you about how much use the orthotics get.  :-)
--
Don

 
 
 

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Post by ProfWdes » Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:29:15

I wore them for about a year.  Basically, I believe that if you simply move to
a little firmer shoe than your ran in before you will do fine.  I always
suggest running in a combination lasted shoe and not a slip lasted shoe for
those who have PF problems.  Then, I suggest added walking to your program
while wearing some real firm shoes like Brooks Chariots.  Works for me, Roy
 
 
 

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Post by Alan Walke » Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:12:25

I had about 18 months away from running due to PF, it got to the point where
I'd tried everything but surgery.  I wore orthotics for about a year.  The
thing that really fixed it was Active Release Therapy (ART).

I haven't worn orthotics in about 2 years.  I've done a half dozen
marathons, run up Pike's Peak twice and done an Ironman.  Guess I don't need
them anymore.

Alan.


Quote:
> Hi all,

> I am thinking of stopping wearing my custom orthotics as a little
> experiment.  I have been wearing them for about 10 months for plantar
> fasciitis which developed in October, 2000.  I have read a number of
> articles and talked to doctors who suggest that the orthotics are
> acting as a crutch for my weak foot muscles.

> Has anyone stopped using orthotics after having worm them for some
> time?  I'd love to hear some stories.

> Thanks,
> Muk

 
 
 

Has anyone stopped wearing their orthotics??

Post by Alex Jone » Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:13:28

Yes!

Before I did, I started to spend time doing foot exercises and walking
around the house barefoot.  Now I've been running up to 50 mpw (triathlete)
in a pair of racing flats.

Alex Jones
www.geocities.com/milktrout


Quote:
> Hi all,

> I am thinking of stopping wearing my custom orthotics as a little
> experiment.  I have been wearing them for about 10 months for plantar
> fasciitis which developed in October, 2000.  I have read a number of
> articles and talked to doctors who suggest that the orthotics are
> acting as a crutch for my weak foot muscles.

> Has anyone stopped using orthotics after having worm them for some
> time?  I'd love to hear some stories.

> Thanks,
> Muk

 
 
 

Has anyone stopped wearing their orthotics??

Post by Ale » Sun, 24 Feb 2002 07:38:03

Thanks, Alex.

I have been seeing a bunch of people talking about switching over to racing flats.

What is the advantage there?  Is it worth giving a shot?

Thanks,
Muk

Quote:

> Yes!

> Before I did, I started to spend time doing foot exercises and walking
> around the house barefoot.  Now I've been running up to 50 mpw (triathlete)
> in a pair of racing flats.

> Alex Jones
> www.geocities.com/milktrout



> > Hi all,

> > I am thinking of stopping wearing my custom orthotics as a little
> > experiment.  I have been wearing them for about 10 months for plantar
> > fasciitis which developed in October, 2000.  I have read a number of
> > articles and talked to doctors who suggest that the orthotics are
> > acting as a crutch for my weak foot muscles.

> > Has anyone stopped using orthotics after having worm them for some
> > time?  I'd love to hear some stories.

> > Thanks,
> > Muk

 
 
 

Has anyone stopped wearing their orthotics??

Post by Denny Anderso » Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:29:38


Quote:
> Thanks, Alex.

> I have been seeing a bunch of people talking about switching over to
racing flats.

> What is the advantage there?  Is it worth giving a shot?

> Thanks,
> Muk

I'm not Alex, but here's a link that essentially responds to your question:

    http://SportToday.org/

I have run in lightweight training flats and racing flats (8 ozs and 6 ozs)
for some time. The opinions expressed in the article have my complete
endor***t (that, plus 26 cents, will get a cup of senior's coffee at
McDonalds).

Denny

 
 
 

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Post by Alex Jone » Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:02:48

Denny hit the nail on the head.  Our feet are the result of 1000's of years
of evolution, they're not defective.  They don't need shoes to "correct"
problems.  From a development point of view many of our foot problems stem
directly from wearing shoes when our feet are developing in childhood.

As far as the question of the worth of switching to racing flats... if your
feet are strong enough to handle it (normal arches, walk barefoot, do
strengthening) then I believe switching to flats is one of the best things
you can do.

Anecdotal, but I went from a 18:04 5k PR to being able to run 16:15 in a
hard training run.  Some of the improvement was from better training, but
the reason I was able to train better is that I didn't get injured.  The
only injuries I've had are IT band woes, and a few days off from a little
"accident".  Before ditching my orthotics my I had been as long as 3 months
without injury.

Alex
www.geocities.com/milktrout


Quote:
> Thanks, Alex.

> I have been seeing a bunch of people talking about switching over to
racing flats.

> What is the advantage there?  Is it worth giving a shot?

> Thanks,
> Muk




Quote:
> > Yes!

> > Before I did, I started to spend time doing foot exercises and walking
> > around the house barefoot.  Now I've been running up to 50 mpw
(triathlete)
> > in a pair of racing flats.

> > Alex Jones
> > www.geocities.com/milktrout