curmudgeonism: Entire world has stopped making nylon shells

curmudgeonism: Entire world has stopped making nylon shells

Post by AndyHancoc » Sun, 30 Dec 2012 17:45:58


Things get pretty wintery in Ottawa, Canada.  I like to dress up in
layers, capping the layers off with a nylon shell.  At least I think
that's what it is, I got the overpants and jacket lifetimes ago.  The
overpants and jacket are just thin sheets plastic worn over whatever
you may be wearing, be it sweats, sweaters, or even office pants.  No
high tech breathable fabric, no mesh lining, no fleece lining i.e.
easy to slip over anything else you may be wearing, heavy duty or not.

I have been unable to find such simple nylon shells for the past many
ears.  I searched all the department stores, the outdoor stores, the
sports & sportswears stores, etc., both flagship and non-flagship
stores.  The closest I've been able to find are high tech breathable
pants at Sports Experts in Place D'Orleans's.  $50 and $100 versions.

Complicating the commitment to get one of these is the fact that
manufacturers these days have decided to cut costs by making one
tallness fits all for each waste size.  Of course, this means that
they target taller than average people.  Well, I'm a runt of a
person.  And furthermore, each younger generation seems to be getting
bigger and bigger (if you believe the clothing and shoe retailers).
So a a pair of overpants for my waist size has legs so long that it
fits like a clown suit.  No problem, one only needs to have a tailor
redesign the entire leg section -- hem it, add zippers at the calves
if none (the nylon shells have'em, really speeds up the donning of
boots).

But heck, how did something so simple as a nylon shell get so bl..dy
complicated and expensive?  I mean, if it was just an expendable nylon
shell, I would be less apprenhensive about having the entire leg
section redesigned as an experiment.

 
 
 

curmudgeonism: Entire world has stopped making nylon shells

Post by Dot » Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:11:16


Quote:
> Things get pretty wintery in Ottawa, Canada.  I like to dress up in
> layers, capping the layers off with a nylon shell.  At least I think
> that's what it is, I got the overpants and jacket lifetimes ago.  The
> overpants and jacket are just thin sheets plastic worn over whatever
> you may be wearing, be it sweats, sweaters, or even office pants.  No
> high tech breathable fabric, no mesh lining, no fleece lining i.e.
> easy to slip over anything else you may be wearing, heavy duty or not.

You might need to search for "ripstop nylon" (or even silnylon) but some
of the polyester shells slide on over layers just as easily. Or if
you're just looking for "plastic" rain stuff, you might find it in a
corner  of "army-navy" stores (although ours are a far cry from what
army-navy stores used to be) or an outdoor store or even a grocery store
(seasonal shelves). Other searches I just tried were "wind shell

That said, some of my nylon shells may have liners, but usually slippery
ones to slide on over whatever. My favorites without liners are
Patagonia Krushell (winter shell, polyester, seems to be discontinued)
and Houdini (summer, nylon, dries fast once it stops raining). I have an
assortment of others of nylon or polyester that are smooth enough to
slide over layers. I've got a windshirt with fuzzy liner that works well
over smooth base layers, and I use one less layer with it.

Rain shell is Marmot Precip (nylon, iirc, but before they started using
liners). A lot of my good gear I've gotten on close outs / sales at
local stores (REI, Alaska Mountaineering and Hiking) or online
(sierratradingpost.com). Rain pants are also Marmot Precip, but prefer
lighter windpants for carrying in summer.

My windpants are Montbell, and I think they're nylon. They're perfect
over my usual winter running pants (wore them snowshoeing today), but
too small for over top heavy-duty stuff (say, Carhartts), and a bit
baggy for summer wear (but they're the lightest, most versatile
windpants I've got, so use them when they're needed).

You might also look for "team jackets" or windpants or windshells.
http://www.nyfifth.com/sew-own-taslan-nylon-wind-shell-qid-17775.html
"packable jacket" seems to pull up some stuff also.

I was going to say that my personal preference for winter gear
(southcentral Alaska) tends to be more on the polyester line since it
breathes a little better than nylon, but I'm not sure that's really true
in any measurable amount.

...

Quote:
> But heck, how did something so simple as a nylon shell get so bl..dy
> complicated and expensive?  I mean, if it was just an expendable nylon
> shell, I would be less apprenhensive about having the entire leg
> section redesigned as an experiment.

They got complicated and expensive to be more useful for being active in
weather-with-an-attitude for hours. I wouldn't trade any of my $60ish
shells for my $10 (maybe it was $15) one from the 70s. They're just so
much more comfortable for running, esp. when going to be outside for
hours in Alaska winter or summer. And most of them are light enough I
can carry them in a pack for multi-hour runs when the weather changes.
Good hoods are still hard to find, and I was clueless back in my 20s.

Both materials and designs have improved in the last 40+ years.

That said, you should still be able to find the simpler shells, although
they may have gotten fashiony and expensive.

--
Dot
"Surrender to the run and allow it to take you, rather than trying to
control or force an outcome."

 
 
 

curmudgeonism: Entire world has stopped making nylon shells

Post by Dot » Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:26:07

Also try "golf suit"
http://www.greatermedical.com/wthac039.html?mr:referralID=bd77d3eb-51...

Appears to be top and bottom for < $50

Also the Red Ledge brand
http://www.nextascentoutdoorandsport.com/SearchResults.asp?searching=...

And those pages have links to others. I didn't check to see if things
were out-of-stock, discontinued, wrong size, whatever.

"Windbreaker" is another term that might lead you to what you're looking
for. (that's what we called them in the 70s)

 
 
 

curmudgeonism: Entire world has stopped making nylon shells

Post by AndyHancoc » Mon, 31 Dec 2012 08:07:08


Quote:
> Also try "golf suit"http://www.greatermedical.com/wthac039.html?mr:referralID=bd77d3eb-51...

> Appears to be top and bottom for < $50

> Also the Red Ledge brandhttp://www.nextascentoutdoorandsport.com/SearchResults.asp?searching=...

> And those pages have links to others. I didn't check to see if things
> were out-of-stock, discontinued, wrong size, whatever.

> "Windbreaker" is another term that might lead you to what you're looking
> for. (that's what we called them in the 70s)

Thanks Dot.  I think the challenge will be to find them in local brick
& mortar stores.  More than once, I've talked to store staff who
encouraged me to drive in through the snow, only to find that the
products weren't exactly free of an inside lining.  Seeing things in
person seems essential, and this requires bricks & mortar.
 
 
 

curmudgeonism: Entire world has stopped making nylon shells

Post by John Hurle » Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:21:34

Andy:

# Things get pretty wintery in Ottawa, Canada. ?I like to dress up in
layers, capping the layers off with a nylon shell.

Use tyvek for temps down to 30ish degrees.

My advice anyway ... and go for something else under those temps.

Seriously are you having a taylor adjust your running pants?

I tend to use Nike running pants size medium works well for 31 inch
waist and long legs.

Do they have a***s sporting goods in Canada I would check around
there to see what is available first then look online for better
bargains.

Lots of races sell extra tyvek jackets at very reasonable costs.

 
 
 

curmudgeonism: Entire world has stopped making nylon shells

Post by AndyHancoc » Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:01:32


Quote:
> Andy:

> # Things get pretty wintery in Ottawa, Canada.  I like to dress up in
> layers, capping the layers off with a nylon shell.

> Use tyvek for temps down to 30ish degrees.

> My advice anyway ... and go for something else under those temps.

> Seriously are you having a taylor adjust your running pants?

> I tend to use Nike running pants size medium works well for 31 inch
> waist and long legs.

> Do they have a***s sporting goods in Canada I would check around
> there to see what is available first then look online for better
> bargains.

> Lots of races sell extra tyvek jackets at very reasonable costs.

Yes, I'm tailoring....sigh.  Because I don't want more than on
overpants.  It will be used for more than just running.

I never seen a***s store in Canada, and I'm pretty keen on getting
the product at a bricks & mortar store.  Actually, the deal is done,
and it's just a matter of waiting for the tailoring to finish.

Thanks.