shoe wear - when are they really worn out

shoe wear - when are they really worn out

Post by RJFLET » Wed, 14 May 1997 04:00:00


Regardless of the shoe maker, when I  reach around 150 miles in a pair of
shoes, I seem to start having shin problems. It is at this mileage that
the bottom tread, where the ball of my foot is, has also worn down and is
"flat" - there is still black flat tread, just not any more "raised"
tread. Is this a typical wear pattern after so few miles. Once the tread
is flat like this does that mean the shoe is worn out or is there still
mileage on it? I still have good tread around the other areas - outer sole
and heel. I am not a heavy runner. I weight 135 lbs and am 5'7" and have
been running only for over a year so I'm not up on shoe wear that much. I
have worn Nike Triax and I am now wearing a pair of Asic 2010's. I've read
you should be able to get 400-600 miles out of a pair of shoes. Buying a
new  pair  every 150 miles is not an option I relish.

 
 
 

shoe wear - when are they really worn out

Post by THE ORIGINAL » Thu, 15 May 1997 04:00:00

Well I wear Nikes (only because they dont hurt my plantar phasities) and I
can only get 300 out of a pair.  I run 95% on trails so that is probably
why.  But with other shoes I've worn I notice the uppers get flimsy around
300.  I'm 5'10 150 so it's not the weight.  just a thought
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Quote:
> Regardless of the shoe maker, when I  reach around 150 miles in a pair of
> shoes, I seem to start having shin problems. It is at this mileage that
> the bottom tread, where the ball of my foot is, has also worn down and is
> "flat" - there is still black flat tread, just not any more "raised"
> tread. Is this a typical wear pattern after so few miles. Once the tread
> is flat like this does that mean the shoe is worn out or is there still
> mileage on it? I still have good tread around the other areas - outer
sole
> and heel. I am not a heavy runner. I weight 135 lbs and am 5'7" and have
> been running only for over a year so I'm not up on shoe wear that much. I
> have worn Nike Triax and I am now wearing a pair of Asic 2010's. I've
read
> you should be able to get 400-600 miles out of a pair of shoes. Buying a
> new  pair  every 150 miles is not an option I relish.


 
 
 

shoe wear - when are they really worn out

Post by Mazma » Thu, 15 May 1997 04:00:00

I normally get about 500 mi. from my Asics gels.  Depending on the
weather, those miles are 70% hard surface, 30% trail. Though I notice
some tread wear, biggest change is in loss of shock absorption.  As soon
as I notice any increae in shin/knee pains, it's time for a new pair (or
two).

--
Douglas Mazanec
tel 283.1877 / fax 283.6710


 
 
 

shoe wear - when are they really worn out

Post by C. Ripp » Fri, 16 May 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> Regardless of the shoe maker, when I  reach around 150 miles in a pair of
> shoes, I seem to start having shin problems. It is at this mileage that
> the bottom tread, where the ball of my foot is, has also worn down and is
> "flat" - there is still black flat tread, just not any more "raised"
> tread. Is this a typical wear pattern after so few miles. Once the tread
> is flat like this does that mean the shoe is worn out or is there still
> mileage on it? I still have good tread around the other areas - outer sole
> and heel. I am not a heavy runner. I weight 135 lbs and am 5'7" and have
> been running only for over a year so I'm not up on shoe wear that much. I
> have worn Nike Triax and I am now wearing a pair of Asic 2010's. I've read
> you should be able to get 400-600 miles out of a pair of shoes. Buying a
> new  pair  every 150 miles is not an option I relish.

Rjfletch-

I walked into a shoe store less that a year ago and was suprised to hear
the salesman tell be the max usage out of any running shoe was 6
months!  And then he went on to tell me that if you're a heavy runner (I
can only guess what he meant by that) that figure drops to four
months!!!  His reasoning was that the millions of tiny bubbles that
permeate the cushioning break down as a function of TIME (not miles
although excess milage further shortens the lifespan of the shoe).

I've priced the shoes on the market and I can't see anyone paying
$80-100 and up three times a year, that's ludicrous.  I wear my shoes
for about a year before getting new ones.  After 6 months or so, I put
some inserts in my shoes to counteract the breaking down of all those
tiny bubbles....

BTW check out this site if you haven't already, it's a kick.
http://www.harborside.com/home/s/stevenm/public_html/antinike.html

C. Ripps

 
 
 

shoe wear - when are they really worn out

Post by Richard Ottoli » Sat, 17 May 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>I've priced the shoes on the market and I can't see anyone paying
>$80-100 and up three times a year, that's ludicrous.  I wear my shoes
>for about a year before getting new ones.  After 6 months or so, I put
>some inserts in my shoes to counteract the breaking down of all those
>tiny bubbles....

A single moderate injury could easily cost much more that in doctors
bills, not to mention the psychological unease of not running.

And it depends on your training level.  Someone who averages an hour
a day year round to keep in marathon shape may hit 2500-3000 miles
a year or 3-4 pairs of shoes.  

 
 
 

shoe wear - when are they really worn out

Post by Eric Buckle » Sat, 17 May 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


> > Regardless of the shoe maker, when I  reach around 150 miles in a pair of
> > shoes, I seem to start having shin problems. It is at this mileage that
> > the bottom tread, where the ball of my foot is, has also worn down and is
> > "flat" - there is still black flat tread, just not any more "raised"
> > tread. Is this a typical wear pattern after so few miles. Once the tread
> > is flat like this does that mean the shoe is worn out or is there still
> > mileage on it?

<snip>

Wearing out the tread after only 150 miles seems pretty unusual to me.
You might want to have some good runners look at your stride. Slight
wear in certain areas is no problem but if you're really wearing them
flat...

Quote:
> I walked into a shoe store less that a year ago and was suprised to hear
> the salesman tell be the max usage out of any running shoe was 6
> months!  And then he went on to tell me that if you're a heavy runner (I
> can only guess what he meant by that) that figure drops to four
> months!!!  His reasoning was that the millions of tiny bubbles that
> permeate the cushioning break down as a function of TIME (not miles
> although excess milage further shortens the lifespan of the shoe).

He's right. I weigh 190 and after 4-5 months I get rid of the shoes or
get shin splints. Inserts help but I've found I need to buy a lot more
shoes than light runners. Since I alternate one pair for road work and
one for track, this means that I don't get much more than 350-400 miles
out of a pair (the track shoes last longer, but don't get as many miles
per week.)
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Eric Buckley
Comsys Millenium Services

Standard disclaimer - I speak for myself and nobody else.
 
 
 

shoe wear - when are they really worn out

Post by Doug Free » Sat, 17 May 1997 04:00:00

C. Ripps offers:
|> I walked into a shoe store less that a year ago and was suprised to hear
|> the salesman tell be the max usage out of any running shoe was 6
|> months!  And then he went on to tell me that if you're a heavy runner (I
|> can only guess what he meant by that) that figure drops to four
|> months!!!  His reasoning was that the millions of tiny bubbles that
|> permeate the cushioning break down as a function of TIME (not miles
|> although excess milage further shortens the lifespan of the shoe).

I love this logic. This is just like maintaining a car. The manual
say change your oil every 7,500 miles and the dealer tells you
every 3,000. Do you think there is a hidden agenda?

As for shoes, yes time is a factor but probably the LEAST important
factor. I guess the salesmen whould say that even if you left
them in the closest for six months, you would have to toss them out.
I like the other side of this argument. If I run 500 miles
per week as someone recently claimed(yes, I know BS),
I could get thousands of miles per pair. Interesting.

You weight, terrain, and mileage are the meaningful variables.
This is the usual BS you get from those chain stores.

|> I've priced the shoes on the market and I can't see anyone paying
|> $80-100 and up three times a year, that's ludicrous.  I wear my shoes

Now careful, you speak with forked tongue.  I wear between 4 and 6
pairs of shoes per year. I run about 2,500 a year and get about 500
per pair. I also run trails and trails tend to shorten the life
span.

Sounds like you are thinking with your wallet and not your feet. :)
Wait for those fire sales and you will pay much less. Oh wait,
you can't, they will be more then six months old and must
go in the garbage. :)

|> for about a year before getting new ones.  After 6 months or so, I put
|> some inserts in my shoes to counteract the breaking down of all those
|> tiny bubbles....

People do this right up until their first injury. The compression
factor of an insert and midsole ain't the same. Here is where
time will be a factor - squeeze that extra mileage via inserts
right up to the day you call the Vet for an appointment. On the other
hand you may be one of those biomechanically perfect people that can get
1,000 miles per pair.

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Doug Freese  All opinions are mine. IBM Tele: 8-293-8098

 
 
 

shoe wear - when are they really worn out

Post by Neil Becke » Tue, 20 May 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I walked into a shoe store less that a year ago and was suprised to hear
> the salesman tell be the max usage out of any running shoe was 6
> months!  And then he went on to tell me that if you're a heavy runner (I
> can only guess what he meant by that) that figure drops to four
> months!!!  His reasoning was that the millions of tiny bubbles that
> permeate the cushioning break down as a function of TIME (not miles
> although excess milage further shortens the lifespan of the shoe).

(comments about shoe prices snipped)

I'm a little confused by this.  One could use this reasoning to assume
that your shoes are breaking down in the box when you buy 2 or more
pair.  Is this the case?  Any comments by those more knowledgeable than
I?

Thanks,

Neil