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Post by Sweet Willi » Wed, 28 Apr 1993 07:32:41


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all -

i'm looking into getting an underwater camera, but i'm looking for one
that will be good not only for underwater photos but for land as well.

i'm looking for a camera that was both underwater lenses and land
lenses as well.  does this exist??  do all of them do this??
(ie. underwater macro lenses, and telephoto lenses for land).

also has anyone seen the new Nikonos RS?? i saw it advertised in
the recent Ocean Realms mag.

thanks for any help ...

-bill

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Post by Mark Steph » Thu, 29 Apr 1993 01:33:54

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>all -

>i'm looking into getting an underwater camera, but i'm looking for one
>that will be good not only for underwater photos but for land as well.

>i'm looking for a camera that was both underwater lenses and land
>lenses as well.  does this exist??  do all of them do this??
>(ie. underwater macro lenses, and telephoto lenses for land).

>also has anyone seen the new Nikonos RS?? i saw it advertised in
>the recent Ocean Realms mag.

     I briefly played with and RS at a photo show last weekend, the camera
is HUGE ! Bigger than any SLR I have ever come accross. And it is also very
expensive. Fortunately the Nikonos V is still available, with both above
and below water lenses.

     Marcus

 
 
 

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Post by Chuck Narad - Diver/Adventurer/Engine » Thu, 29 Apr 1993 03:17:35


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:all -
:
:i'm looking into getting an underwater camera, but i'm looking for one
:that will be good not only for underwater photos but for land as well.
:
:i'm looking for a camera that was both underwater lenses and land
:lenses as well.  does this exist??  do all of them do this??
:(ie. underwater macro lenses, and telephoto lenses for land).

The Nikonos V with the 35 mm lens can be used both above and below.
No other Nikinos lens for the V works in air.

chas/

 
 
 

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Post by Karol W. Gieszczykiewi » Thu, 29 Apr 1993 14:54:03

Hi
I am interested in taking pictures under water.
I have a standard SLR (Minolta XG-7).
Please send me some information on under water bags.... that fit
around the camera. Where can I buy one, which ones are good (if any)?
Will the picture quality be bad because of the different absorbtion
under water?
Thanks,
Karol G

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Post by Dillon Pyr » Thu, 29 Apr 1993 04:06:50

Quote:

>i'm looking into getting an underwater camera, but i'm looking for one
>that will be good not only for underwater photos but for land as well.

>i'm looking for a camera that was both underwater lenses and land
>lenses as well.  does this exist??  do all of them do this??
>(ie. underwater macro lenses, and telephoto lenses for land).

The Nikonos series does okay on land, as does the Sea&Sea MM II.  The S&S MX10
actually did a better job, but that may be because we didn't ask as much of it.

You can get a housing for almost any 35mm SLR for Ikelite.  be prepared to
spend what you spent on your camera.

Or, you can get a housing for the disposable camera and housing.

IMHO, only the land SLR will do a superior job on land, but they are a pain in
the ***in the water.  They are bulkier, their superior optics are negated by
the difficulty in handling them.  And the autofocus may not work.

I like my MX10, it does what I want, it didn't bankrupt me, and I still have my
Minolta for land pictures.  Best of all, we have two cameras if we need two!

If you want one, I would guess that the Nikonos will do the best job, but you
will pay for it.

Quote:

>also has anyone seen the new Nikonos RS?? i saw it advertised in
>the recent Ocean Realms mag.

A Nikonos rep came through town last week.  They have a 1 year wait.  If you
are not a "career" photographer, they want a $500 deposit to reserve your spot.
And plan on spending $6000 for a full rig.  He also said they had four or five
cameras set aside in the event that a "star" photographer damamged his/hers
beyond immediate repair.  Or so he says.

Maybe I should have bought a couple of spots.  Sell them in a year for $1000 or
so  :-)   Camera futures!
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Post by Marc Ha » Thu, 29 Apr 1993 22:40:09


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>The Nikonos V with the 35 mm lens can be used both above and below.
>No other Nikinos lens for the V works in air.

 Except for the 80mm which is seldom used underwater.

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>chas/

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Post by Tom Rett » Thu, 29 Apr 1993 23:13:51

Boldly returning from another exciting undersea adventure, Dillon Pyron was
heard to say...

  DP> I like my MX10, it does what I want, it didn't bankrupt me, and I
  DP> still have my Minolta for land pictures.  Best of all, we have two
  DP> cameras if we need two!

Dillon:

I've been looking at the MX10 for some time now, but hadn't been able to find
anyone who owned one and had experience with it.  A couple of questions if you
don't mind....

Do you use the water correcting lens, and if so, how much trouble is it to
change lenses?  I understand they also now have a lense for macro, yes?

Do you have the external strobe?  How's it perform?

Have you ever had any problems flooding?

The best price I've seen on it is in the Performance Diver catalog, a little
over $400 for the body and strobe (about $265 for just the camera).  Does that
sound reasonable?

Thanks for any info you can provide...

Regards,
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Post by David T. Trusl » Fri, 30 Apr 1993 03:01:39

Quote:

>The Nikonos V with the 35 mm lens can be used both above and below.
>No other Nikinos lens for the V works in air.

>chas/

I have the 35mm & the 80mm. Both work fine on the surface & underwater.
PAX
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Post by Dillon Pyr » Sat, 01 May 1993 05:52:47

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>>The Nikonos V with the 35 mm lens can be used both above and below.
>>No other Nikinos lens for the V works in air.

> Except for the 80mm which is seldom used underwater.

Unless you want to test your flood repair capabilities  :-)
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Post by Dillon Pyr » Sat, 01 May 1993 06:19:22

Quote:

>Boldly returning from another exciting undersea adventure, Dillon Pyron was
>heard to say...

>  DP> I like my MX10, it does what I want, it didn't bankrupt me, and I
>  DP> still have my Minolta for land pictures.  Best of all, we have two
>  DP> cameras if we need two!

>Dillon:

>I've been looking at the MX10 for some time now, but hadn't been able to find
>anyone who owned one and had experience with it.  A couple of questions if you
>don't mind....

>Do you use the water correcting lens, and if so, how much trouble is it to
>change lenses?  I understand they also now have a lense for macro, yes?

What w/c lens?  They just announced a wide angle (20mm) with framer.  $250
list, Performance doesn't have a price yet.  S&S told me last week that a macro
lens will be out by late summer, but the answer droid didn't have any details
(and probably shouldn't have told me what he did  :-)

Quote:

>Do you have the external strobe?  How's it perform?

Yes, we have it.  I would not get wet without it!  The built in flash is good
for about 2-3 feet, the external gave me reasonable light into a cavern at 85
ft (I'll try to post the picture next week if I can get to the scanner).  Our
only complaint is that it has a diffuser attachment.  There is no place to
store it, so we leave it on the camera, sometimes with said results (it cuts
the distance in half and increases the field of view).

Quote:

>Have you ever had any problems flooding?

No, but we are scrupulus about o-ring maintenance.  The camera has one ring,
the flash two.

Quote:

>The best price I've seen on it is in the Performance Diver catalog, a little
>over $400 for the body and strobe (about $265 for just the camera).  Does that
>sound reasonable?

We paid $399 from PD.  As a side note on their service, we ordered it Thursday
morning and requested Airborne delivery.  It arrived Friday, we left for Hawaii
on Saturday, read the instructions on the plane and shot our first role
snorkling off the hotel that afterafternoon.

A few notes on the camera.  It is slightly positive when loaded, the flash is a
little more negative, so it hangs off the lanyard flash down.  The body is
nicely shaped for one-handed shooting, or you can hold the body and flash for
two-handed shots.  The view finder does a very good job of presenting the
camera view, at least with the normal lens.  It is a bit small.  The winder is
satisfyingly noisy, although there is no way to truly verify that film is
advancing (as we discovered).  We were able to shoot six rolls with a pair of
AA nicads, but could only get 2 full rolls out of four AA alkalines in the
flash.  Nicads would not do two rolls.  By the end of the second dive, the
strobe takes 10-30 seconds to recharge.  The camera is rated to 100 ft. we only
took it down to 99   :-).  The camera came with a spare o-ring and a tube of
silicone, ditto the flash.  It comes with a funky little lanyard that we had
little confidence it, at first.  But it works nicely!

If you are into more advanced shooting than the point-n-shoots or disposables,
but can see popping for a Nikonos V (although we all want the RS, right?), the
MX-10 may work out for you.  I like it.

If there is anyone from SEA&SEA on the net, contact me on where to send the
check  :-)

Quote:

>Thanks for any info you can provide...

My pleasure.
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Post by Tom Rett » Sat, 01 May 1993 18:39:13

Gesturing to his dive slate, I saw that Dillon Pyron had written....

  DP> What w/c lens?  They just announced a wide angle (20mm) with framer.
  DP> $250 list, Performance doesn't have a price yet.  S&S told me last
  DP> week that a macro lens will be out by late summer, but the answer
  DP> droid didn't have any details (and probably shouldn't have told me
  DP> what he did  :-)

I think my source confused the new 20mm with a w/c lens (...never mind...).
Hopefully PD will have a price cut similar to the price on the body & strobe
(that would put it in the $190 range).

  DP> We paid $399 from PD.  As a side note on their service, we ordered it
  DP> Thursday morning and requested Airborne delivery.  It arrived Friday,
  DP> we left for Hawaii on Saturday, read the instructions on the plane and
  DP> shot our first role snorkling off the hotel that afterafternoon.

I've been fairly stunned by the prices that shops are asking for it, but I
guess they figure it's an impulse buy, folks who want to shoot pictures quick.
 Avoiding any financial sinkholes, I'll probably order one in a couple of
months, in time for my Caymans Aggressor trip in August.  The folks I'm
travelling with are heavy into photo/video, and have offered to let my play
with their gear, but I'd like to have something of my own for snapshots and
mementos of some of my local dives.

  DP> A few notes on the camera.  

Great info, thanks again.  Any suggestions on film?

Regards,

Tom Rettie

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Post by Charlie Gib » Sun, 02 May 1993 09:54:10


Quote:

>You can get a housing for almost any 35mm SLR for Ikelite.  be prepared to
>spend what you spent on your camera.

>Or, you can get a housing for the disposable camera and housing.

     Be prepared to spend a lot more than what you spent on the
camera.  :-)  (But it's still cheaper than the alternatives.)


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