cameras question

cameras question

Post by Jason R Kolodzi » Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:00:00


I have a question about cheap dive cameras.  The 2 that I am looking
at are Ikelite's Reefmaster (might be dive master) comes with a
hardened plastic case, housing, camera, for about $200.

The other is the Aquashot II. comes with a strobe, and a nylon case.
for about $200.

Problems that I have been told are.  The Reefmaster has been known
to flood. This is bad with a non-disposable camera.
The aquashot uses disposable cameras, no matter what anybody says
the concern of them discontinuing a model frightens me. Yes I know
that aquashot makes them.  Plus I like the case for the reefmaster.

Right now I am hedging toward the reefmaster, can anyone confirm this
or talk me out of it.  Help!

Jason

ps

email or just reply.


 
 
 

cameras question

Post by Fredri » Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:00:00

I have tried the reefmaster in egypt and in norway with bad result.
I am not a photopro ,but you shouldnt have be one to use the reefmaster
either.
If you just have one small piece of debris or a particle in front of the
camera the strobe will rebound and destroy your nice picture.

save your money and buy a real camera instead.

Fredrik



Quote:

> I have a question about cheap dive cameras.  The 2 that I am looking
> at are Ikelite's Reefmaster (might be dive master) comes with a
> hardened plastic case, housing, camera, for about $200.

> The other is the Aquashot II. comes with a strobe, and a nylon case.
> for about $200.

> Problems that I have been told are.  The Reefmaster has been known
> to flood. This is bad with a non-disposable camera.
> The aquashot uses disposable cameras, no matter what anybody says
> the concern of them discontinuing a model frightens me. Yes I know
> that aquashot makes them.  Plus I like the case for the reefmaster.

> Right now I am hedging toward the reefmaster, can anyone confirm this
> or talk me out of it.  Help!

> Jason

> ps

> email or just reply.




 
 
 

cameras question

Post by Georg » Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:00:00



Quote:

> I have a question about cheap dive cameras.  The 2 that I am looking
> at are Ikelite's Reefmaster (might be dive master) comes with a
> hardened plastic case, housing, camera, for about $200.

> The other is the Aquashot II. comes with a strobe, and a nylon case.
> for about $200.

> Problems that I have been told are.  The Reefmaster has been known
> to flood. This is bad with a non-disposable camera.
> The aquashot uses disposable cameras, no matter what anybody says
> the concern of them discontinuing a model frightens me. Yes I know
> that aquashot makes them.  Plus I like the case for the reefmaster.

> Right now I am hedging toward the reefmaster, can anyone confirm this
> or talk me out of it.  Help!

> Jason

> ps

Jason,

I own an aquashot and had the same concerns as you.  Heres what I did.
After much searching I found a cheep 35mm camera at Kmart that fit the
housing and bought 2 (in case one ever flooded).  It took quite some time
to find a model that had the same geometry and I always kept my housing in
the car so I could make sure of the fit.  I spent 18.95 on each.  I did
have to add a small spacer ( I glued it to the camera..not the housing) but
it does work.  Most UW photographers will scoff I'm sure at the use of
inexpensive cameras like these.  I'm just not prepared or inclined to fork
over the kind of bucks that the better models cost, and my pictures are on
par with my Photo skills.  Many of us just want to take what we see "down
there" back to show.

                Regards,
                        George

 
 
 

cameras question

Post by Scub » Wed, 14 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Having used a Reefmaster, I would agree with the suggestion to save up your
nickels and buy a better camera.  Having said that, and being on a budget
myself, I offer the following suggestions.
If you must stay with the lower cost cameras, dont' buy the Aquashot.  The
disposable cameras are frankly, disposable for a reason.  They're just not
very good cameras even on the surface, let alone underwater. If you buy the
Reefmaster and want decent pics, stay shallow in good viz and use the
highest speed film you can.  One thing I learned is that the Reefmaster
doesn't do very well with slide film.  I'd stay with ISO 400 print film
because it gives you a little more latitude than slide film. (It's a little
more "forgiving.")  The one I used a few times belongs to a friend who got
it as a gift.  Normally he believes in the adage of "not looking a gift
horse in the mouth," and he knows I'm a photographer.  But after looking at
the slides the first time, he asked if the camera was a piece of sh**.  I
tried a second time with 400 print film, stayed shallow, and the prints came
out pretty good, comparatively speaking.  The camera *does* limit what you
can do and how you shoot, but if it's all the budget allows, well that's how
it goes. Again though, if you can wait longer and save up the money, the
Motormarine II ex is a far better camera. The Nikonos is the so-called
"real" camera, but it sounds like you just don't need that much camera.
You're better off with the Motormarine and then put the rest of the bucks in
the strobes.

Quote:


>> I have a question about cheap dive cameras.  The 2 that I am looking
>> at are Ikelite's Reefmaster (might be dive master) comes with a
>> hardened plastic case, housing, camera, for about $200.

>> The other is the Aquashot II. comes with a strobe, and a nylon case.
>> for about $200.

>> Problems that I have been told are.  The Reefmaster has been known
>> to flood. This is bad with a non-disposable camera.
>> The aquashot uses disposable cameras, no matter what anybody says
>> the concern of them discontinuing a model frightens me. Yes I know
>> that aquashot makes them.  Plus I like the case for the reefmaster.

>> Right now I am hedging toward the reefmaster, can anyone confirm this
>> or talk me out of it.  Help!

>> Jason

>> ps

>> email or just reply.


>Hi Jason,

>I know it's very tempting to buy a housing to place disposable camera's
>in, its cheap. But there are some down sides and we could talk you out
>of it you said and here it goes.
>- The quality of disposable cameras's are not really good. Except for
>trying out how it is to make pictures underwater.
>- You cann't use slide films, which really let you experience the UW
>again with a beer and some friends (ever tried drinking beer UW?)
>- Macro or wreck pictures (wide angle) don't really show up.
>- No changes can be made to the amount of light and only week strobes
>(build in) are available.
>- Disposable camera's are about 5 times more expensive than normal films

>Just save a few bucks and go for a Sea&Sea Motomarine IIex or a Nikonos
>V.

>Let me know what you decided.

>Good luck,

>Edwin.

>If you really intend to make apictures

 
 
 

cameras question

Post by Edwin J. Nieuwpoor » Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> I have a question about cheap dive cameras.  The 2 that I am looking
> at are Ikelite's Reefmaster (might be dive master) comes with a
> hardened plastic case, housing, camera, for about $200.

> The other is the Aquashot II. comes with a strobe, and a nylon case.
> for about $200.

> Problems that I have been told are.  The Reefmaster has been known
> to flood. This is bad with a non-disposable camera.
> The aquashot uses disposable cameras, no matter what anybody says
> the concern of them discontinuing a model frightens me. Yes I know
> that aquashot makes them.  Plus I like the case for the reefmaster.

> Right now I am hedging toward the reefmaster, can anyone confirm this
> or talk me out of it.  Help!

> Jason

> ps

> email or just reply.



Hi Jason,

I know it's very tempting to buy a housing to place disposable camera's
in, its cheap. But there are some down sides and we could talk you out
of it you said and here it goes.
- The quality of disposable cameras's are not really good. Except for
trying out how it is to make pictures underwater.
- You cann't use slide films, which really let you experience the UW
again with a beer and some friends (ever tried drinking beer UW?)
- Macro or wreck pictures (wide angle) don't really show up.
- No changes can be made to the amount of light and only week strobes
(build in) are available.
- Disposable camera's are about 5 times more expensive than normal films

Just save a few bucks and go for a Sea&Sea Motomarine IIex or a Nikonos
V.

Let me know what you decided.

Good luck,

Edwin.

If you really intend to make apictures

 
 
 

cameras question

Post by Leslie J. Ch » Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:00:00

George,

what brand/model camera did you find that works with the aquashot II?

thanks

-Leslie

Quote:
> Jason,

> I own an aquashot and had the same concerns as you.  Heres what I did.
> After much searching I found a cheep 35mm camera at Kmart that fit the
> housing and bought 2 (in case one ever flooded).  It took quite some time
> to find a model that had the same geometry and I always kept my housing in
> the car so I could make sure of the fit.  I spent 18.95 on each.  I did
> have to add a small spacer ( I glued it to the camera..not the housing) but
> it does work.  Most UW photographers will scoff I'm sure at the use of
> inexpensive cameras like these.  I'm just not prepared or inclined to fork
> over the kind of bucks that the better models cost, and my pictures are on
> par with my Photo skills.  Many of us just want to take what we see "down
> there" back to show.

>                 Regards,
>                         George

 
 
 

cameras question

Post by ad » Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:00:00

I find that the Fuji Disposables are the best for using in the Aquashot.....

And it is OK to have one, and the Nokonos also......

I'd rather take the Aquashot on a beat-em-up dive.......

KRH

Quote:

>George,

>what brand/model camera did you find that works with the aquashot II?

>thanks

>-Leslie

>> Jason,

>> I own an aquashot and had the same concerns as you.  Heres what I did.
>> After much searching I found a cheep 35mm camera at Kmart that fit the
>> housing and bought 2 (in case one ever flooded).  It took quite some time
>> to find a model that had the same geometry and I always kept my housing
in
>> the car so I could make sure of the fit.  I spent 18.95 on each.  I did
>> have to add a small spacer ( I glued it to the camera..not the housing)
but
>> it does work.  Most UW photographers will scoff I'm sure at the use of
>> inexpensive cameras like these.  I'm just not prepared or inclined to
fork
>> over the kind of bucks that the better models cost, and my pictures are
on
>> par with my Photo skills.  Many of us just want to take what we see "down
>> there" back to show.

>>                 Regards,
>>                         George

 
 
 

cameras question

Post by Scott F. Migald » Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> George,

> what brand/model camera did you find that works with the aquashot II?

> thanks

> -Leslie

> > Jason,

> > I own an aquashot and had the same concerns as you.  Heres what I did.
> > After much searching I found a cheep 35mm camera at Kmart that fit the
> > housing and bought 2 (in case one ever flooded).  It took quite some time
> > to find a model that had the same geometry and I always kept my housing in
> > the car so I could make sure of the fit.  I spent 18.95 on each.  I did
> > have to add a small spacer ( I glued it to the camera..not the housing) but
> > it does work.  Most UW photographers will scoff I'm sure at the use of
> > inexpensive cameras like these.  I'm just not prepared or inclined to fork
> > over the kind of bucks that the better models cost, and my pictures are on
> > par with my Photo skills.  Many of us just want to take what we see "down
> > there" back to show.

> >                 Regards,
> >                         George

Golly that sounds like alot of work. Why didn't you just buy a fuji
camera with flash? Thos still fit and seem easy to find.
--

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cameras question

Post by Tony » Fri, 16 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>I have a question about cheap dive cameras.  The 2 that I am looking
>at are Ikelite's Reefmaster (might be dive master) comes with a
>hardened plastic case, housing, camera, for about $200.

>The other is the Aquashot II. comes with a strobe, and a nylon case.
>for about $200.

>Problems that I have been told are.  The Reefmaster has been known
>to flood. This is bad with a non-disposable camera.
>The aquashot uses disposable cameras, no matter what anybody says
>the concern of them discontinuing a model frightens me. Yes I know
>that aquashot makes them.  Plus I like the case for the reefmaster.

>Right now I am hedging toward the reefmaster, can anyone confirm this
>or talk me out of it.  Help!

>Jason

I would go with the Ikelite's Aquashot, but I would wait as they are suppose
to release the Aquashot III by the end of January. I wouldn't worry about
the one use cameras ever becoming unavailable. You can buy the one use
cameras for the Aquashot just about anywhere. BTW I think the new Aquashot
III is going to be able to use those ISO 800
cameras out there.
 
 
 

cameras question

Post by Charlie Hammo » Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
>Golly that sounds like alot of work. [Finding a non-disposable camera to fint
>an Qquashot housign.] Why didn't you just buy a fuji
>camera with flash? Thos still fit and seem easy to find.

(1) Cost.  Disposable cameras cost about twice the price of film.
(2) Flexibility.  Disposables generally come with only ASA 200 print film.
    What if you want faster/slower film?  Or slides?
(3) Space.  Which would you rather find room for in the luggage you take
    on a week long dive trip: 10-15 cameras? or 10-15 rolls of film?

--
       Charlie Hammond -- Digital Equipment Corporation -- Nashua NH USA

      All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.

 
 
 

cameras question

Post by Prof. Vincent Branniga » Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:00:00

Quote:



> >Golly that sounds like alot of work. [Finding a non-disposable camera to fint
> >an Qquashot housign.] Why didn't you just buy a fuji
> >camera with flash? Thos still fit and seem easy to find.

> (1) Cost.  Disposable cameras cost about twice the price of film.
> (2) Flexibility.  Disposables generally come with only ASA 200 print film.
>     What if you want faster/slower film?  Or slides?
> (3) Space.  Which would you rather find room for in the luggage you take
>     on a week long dive trip: 10-15 cameras? or 10-15 rolls of film?

Its ASA 400, and soon will be 800.
Otherwise you are right but
 another advantage of the disposables is the ease of slipping a new one
in even if you haven't used all the shots, and still using the last few
shots on sightseeing.  

vince

 
 
 

cameras question

Post by Harr » Mon, 19 Jan 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>George,

>what brand/model camera did you find that works with the aquashot II?

>thanks

>-Leslie

>> Jason,

>> I own an aquashot and had the same concerns as you.  Heres what I did.
>> After much searching I found a cheep 35mm camera at Kmart that fit the
>> housing and bought 2 (in case one ever flooded).  It took quite some time
>> to find a model that had the same geometry and I always kept my housing in
>> the car so I could make sure of the fit.  I spent 18.95 on each.  I did
>> have to add a small spacer ( I glued it to the camera..not the housing) but
>> it does work.  Most UW photographers will scoff I'm sure at the use of
>> inexpensive cameras like these.  I'm just not prepared or inclined to fork
>> over the kind of bucks that the better models cost, and my pictures are on
>> par with my Photo skills.  Many of us just want to take what we see "down
>> there" back to show.

>>                 Regards,
>>                         George

George I just got back from Hawaii and bought an aquashot
there.....the Kodak throw away fits also without any modification...
The funsaver 35 comes with 800 asa not the 200 someone
suggested...only problem is Kodak is discontinuing that model and
replacing it with one that doesn't fit...the local Sam's had several
cases of the old funsaver with a five dollar rebate making them cost
about $6 apiece.  I plan on reloading my cameras as I have a darkroom
and also a changing bag.  The message that says you will get shocked
on the camera is a joke as they want to keep you out...there is only a
AA battery for the flash.  Ikelite also sells cameras for the aquashot
but there film is not as good..  I have been reloading these
throwaways for quite some time as I like to play with their
panoramic..etc....  on land I shoot Nikon F3's and Bronica medium
formats...  if you are interested in reloading and are not sure email
me and will be glad to step you through...

Jack