I have a question? (Don't know if anyone here could answer)

I have a question? (Don't know if anyone here could answer)

Post by Doug Hatt » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00


Hi!,
I am taking a class next quarter at my university called skin and
scuba diving. Here's my question. It says in the description that
after additional dives outside of class you will be certified. What
kind of certifacation is it? If I am asking this in the wrong
newsgroup sorry! I just was wondering. I guess I could wait till class
and ask, but I figure somebody on here would know. By the way I go to
Wright State U. in Dayton,Ohio if that means anything. Thanks!

Doug

 
 
 

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Post by Steve Galper » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00

: Hi!,
: I am taking a class next quarter at my university called skin and
: scuba diving. Here's my question. It says in the description that
: after additional dives outside of class you will be certified. What
: kind of certifacation is it? If I am asking this in the wrong
: newsgroup sorry! I just was wondering. I guess I could wait till class
: and ask, but I figure somebody on here would know. By the way I go to
: Wright State U. in Dayton,Ohio if that means anything. Thanks!

It will probably be PADI open water, and the dives outside of
class would be the checkout dives. You should call the department
at Wright State and ask them to be sure.

Stephen Galperin

 
 
 

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Post by Dani Schwar » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Hi!,
> I am taking a class next quarter at my university called skin and
> scuba diving. Here's my question. It says in the description that
> after additional dives outside of class you will be certified. What
> kind of certifacation is it? If I am asking this in the wrong
> newsgroup sorry! I just was wondering. I guess I could wait till class
> and ask, but I figure somebody on here would know. By the way I go to
> Wright State U. in Dayton,Ohio if that means anything. Thanks!

> Doug

PADI has a course called "Skin Diver", which is just learning to
use mask, snorkel and fins, but not scuba gear. Don't know if that
helps you any. This course is fun (I enjoy teaching it as well),
but requires a separate course, eg. PADI's Open Water Diver to
become a certified scuba diver.

Don't worry about posting your question in the wrong place - this
is better for this particular question than rec.basketball or
something like that.

Dani Schwarz

 
 
 

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Post by Robert Keen » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


>> Hi!,
>> I am taking a class next quarter at my university called skin and
>> scuba diving. Here's my question. It says in the description that
>> after additional dives outside of class you will be certified. What
>> kind of certifacation is it? If I am asking this in the wrong
>> newsgroup sorry! I just was wondering. I guess I could wait till class
>> and ask, but I figure somebody on here would know. By the way I go to
>> Wright State U. in Dayton,Ohio if that means anything. Thanks!

**********************************************
Feb. 12, 1996

Because of PADI's teaching structure, as far as I know, they are the
only dive organization that can offer courses for credit at
universities and colleges as part of their PE program.

Perhaps the college literature called it something else. To get the
full story, why not give PADI a call and find out more about this
course being offered. Calling the college would be a good idea.
Talking to your instructor, who is likely affiliated with a local dive
shop would be a good idea.

Hope this helps,

Robert
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Post by Robert Keen » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


>>Feb. 12, 1996
>>Because of PADI's teaching structure, as far as I know, they are the
>>only dive organization that can offer courses for credit at
>>universities and colleges as part of their PE program.
>>Perhaps the college literature called it something else. To get the
>>full story, why not give PADI a call and find out more about this
>>course being offered. Calling the college would be a good idea.
>>Talking to your instructor, who is likely affiliated with a local dive
>>shop would be a good idea.
>>Hope this helps,
>>Robert
>Robert,
>Excuse me, you are wrong. PADI is one of many organizations that can offer
>college credit at universities, not the only one. Here at UF we certify
>students through the YMCA program, I understand FSU certifies NAUI. A local
>community college offers PADI, etc. etc. etc.
>Also, college instructors are not usually affiliated with local dive shops.
>It's frowned upon because of the possible conflict of interest.
>The best advice to find out what certification is being offered through a
>particular college is to ask someone in the PE department at that college (or
>the instructor his/herself).
>Ken

********************************************************
Feb. 12, 1996

The information I am relying upon is in my 1994 IDC Candidate Workbook
- passed my IE December 1994.

Beginning on page 222, American Council on Education (ACE) College
Credit Program, is discussed. At that time, we were told that 1) PADI
was only diver training agency to receive recognition by ACE and 2)
Ace approval gives educational validity to PADI courses and
adminsitrative system. Reasons are: 1) performance based nature of the
curricla, 2) range of instructional support materials and 3) use of a
coherrent instructional system model to effect the learning outcomes
of the various PADI courses. These courses include: OW, AOW, Rescue,
DM and IDC.

Have other dive organizations received ACE approval since 1994? Not
seeing myself in a university/college teaching environment, and not
seeing any updates on this topic from PADI, I am curious,
nevertheless, to know more about this topic.

Regards,

Robert
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Robert Keeney, OWSI              EZ - Safe - Excellent Diving!
Marilyn King, DS, OW             NASSAU - GRAND CAYMAN - ARUBA
FOCUS ON TRAVEL/SOFT SCUBA         BELIZE - COZUMEL/CANCUN...
Voice: (305) 557-1006         We work closely with our clients to
Fax:   (305) 557-8007           provide Customized, Stress-Free

          URL: http://www.cris.com/~focusnow/scuba.html
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Post by ploch » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00

You're taking an entry level scuba diving course which requires
four open water scuba dives before receiving certification.
Generally the Open Water training portion of certification takes
place when students are not in class - like between semester
breaks (unless, of course, you're like attending the University
of Flaorida, Gainesville, where in a copuple of hours you dive
to Ginnie Springs - or similar - to do you're OWD's).  Good question.

Pete Plocher  
==========Doug Hatton, 2/11/96==========

Hi!,
I am taking a class next quarter at my university called skin and
scuba diving. Here's my question. It says in the description that
after additional dives outside of class you will be certified. What
kind of certifacation is it? If I am asking this in the wrong
newsgroup sorry! I just was wondering. I guess I could wait till class
and ask, but I figure somebody on here would know. By the way I go to
Wright State U. in Dayton,Ohio if that means anything. Thanks!

Doug

 
 
 

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Post by Tim Ke » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Hi!,
> I am taking a class next quarter at my university called skin and
> scuba diving. Here's my question. It says in the description that
> after additional dives outside of class you will be certified. What
> kind of certifacation is it? If I am asking this in the wrong
> newsgroup sorry! I just was wondering. I guess I could wait till class
> and ask, but I figure somebody on here would know. By the way I go to
> Wright State U. in Dayton,Ohio if that means anything. Thanks!

> Doug

Well Aloha,

I used to go to Wright State University (from 1972 to 1975), I am now
working on Maui, and quite incidentially I am also a PADI diving
Instructor.

In another part of this string it is mentioned that PADI has a skindiver
certification course. This is in addition to the scubadiving
certification. Normally they are two separate classes, but the skindiver
class compliments the scubadiving class, and gives a better overall look
at skills needed for diving. It sounds as though the Phys Ed folks in Ohio
are trying to give you a good overall course that will give you the skills
needed to safely dive. They're going for a bit of over kill, but it will
be more fun that way.

I have a page of shore diving locations at:
http://maui.net/~tkern/scubadive.html

Is WSU still referred as the "cornfield university" (the first buildings
seem to spring out of a cornfield over night)? Are they still heavily into
the biomedical field(s)?

Well, enjoy your class, try out some tropical diving, great fun....

Tim Kern

 
 
 

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Post by Jim Gregor » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
>==========Dani Schwarz, 2/12/96==========


>> Hi!,
>> I am taking a class next quarter at my university called skin and
>> scuba diving. Here's my question. It says in the description that
>> after additional dives outside of class you will be certified. What
>> kind of certifacation is it? If I am asking this in the wrong
>> newsgroup sorry! I just was wondering. I guess I could wait till class
>> and ask, but I figure somebody on here would know. By the way I go to
>> Wright State U. in Dayton,Ohio if that means anything. Thanks!

Doug,
I'm a Y instructor in Springfield, down the road from Wright State.  The last
I talked with anyone from WSU, they were still running the NAUI class.  I
could find out definitely for you if it's really important.

Jim Gregory
YMCA Gold Star Instructor

The opinions expressed are my own and do not reflect
those of my employer or clients.

 
 
 

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Post by Shyam Pare » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00

I think we can look at this agency/college credit thing in a different way.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd guess that most university diver training
is much more rigorous than any regular agency training. This is due to the
fact that these courses are usually scientific diver courses, not simply
recreational diver courses. I can't imagine that any *respectable*
university would give course credit for simply completing any PADI or
NAUI training (regardless of ACE approval) without going through a
semester of dive theory and scientific diving methods lectures.

At the Univ. of Michigan, where I trained, the actual diving certification
was only a small portion of the requirements of the course. In fact, the
pool training and certification was available to anyone (whether or not
they were taking the scientific diving course), but NO course credit
was given for this portion. At the end of the course, we could choose
which dive agency certification we wanted, since the actual training
exceeded the requirements of any agency.

Now, let me get this straight, you say that some universities will actually
accept PADI or NAUI course completion as academic coursework? They're not
using the certifications as prerequisites or components of scientific
diving courses? Which schools have such standards?

Shyam

Quote:



>>>Feb. 12, 1996

>>>Because of PADI's teaching structure, as far as I know, they are the
>>>only dive organization that can offer courses for credit at
>>>universities and colleges as part of their PE program.
>[stuff deleted]
>>>Hope this helps,
>>>Robert

>>Excuse me, you are wrong. PADI is one of many organizations that can offer
>>college credit at universities, not the only one. Here at UF we certify
>>students through the YMCA program, I understand FSU certifies NAUI. A local
>>community college offers PADI, etc. etc. etc.
>[stuff deleted again]

>>Ken

>********************************************************
>Feb. 12, 1996

>The information I am relying upon is in my 1994 IDC Candidate Workbook
>- passed my IE December 1994.

>Beginning on page 222, American Council on Education (ACE) College
>Credit Program, is discussed. At that time, we were told that 1) PADI
>was only diver training agency to receive recognition by ACE and 2)
>Ace approval gives educational validity to PADI courses and
>adminsitrative system. Reasons are: 1) performance based nature of the
>curricla, 2) range of instructional support materials and 3) use of a
>coherrent instructional system model to effect the learning outcomes
>of the various PADI courses. These courses include: OW, AOW, Rescue,
>DM and IDC.

>Have other dive organizations received ACE approval since 1994? Not
>seeing myself in a university/college teaching environment, and not
>seeing any updates on this topic from PADI, I am curious,
>nevertheless, to know more about this topic.

>Regards,

>Robert
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>Robert Keeney, OWSI              EZ - Safe - Excellent Diving!
>Marilyn King, DS, OW             NASSAU - GRAND CAYMAN - ARUBA
>FOCUS ON TRAVEL/SOFT SCUBA         BELIZE - COZUMEL/CANCUN...
>Voice: (305) 557-1006         We work closely with our clients to
>Fax:   (305) 557-8007           provide Customized, Stress-Free

>          URL: http://www.cris.com/~focusnow/scuba.html
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

 
 
 

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Post by Ken Sall » Tue, 13 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>Feb. 12, 1996
>Because of PADI's teaching structure, as far as I know, they are the
>only dive organization that can offer courses for credit at
>universities and colleges as part of their PE program.
>Perhaps the college literature called it something else. To get the
>full story, why not give PADI a call and find out more about this
>course being offered. Calling the college would be a good idea.
>Talking to your instructor, who is likely affiliated with a local dive
>shop would be a good idea.
>Hope this helps,
>Robert

Robert,

Excuse me, you are wrong. PADI is one of many organizations that can offer
college credit at universities, not the only one. Here at UF we certify
students through the YMCA program, I understand FSU certifies NAUI. A local
community college offers PADI, etc. etc. etc.

Also, college instructors are not usually affiliated with local dive shops.
It's frowned upon because of the possible conflict of interest.

The best advice to find out what certification is being offered through a
particular college is to ask someone in the PE department at that college (or
the instructor his/herself).

Ken

 
 
 

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Post by Ronald Pay » Wed, 14 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


>> Hi!,
>> I am taking a class next quarter at my university called skin and
>> scuba diving. Here's my question. It says in the description that
>> after additional dives outside of class you will be certified. What
>> kind of certifacation is it? If I am asking this in the wrong
>> newsgroup sorry! I just was wondering. I guess I could wait till class
>> and ask, but I figure somebody on here would know. By the way I go to
>> Wright State U. in Dayton,Ohio if that means anything. Thanks!

>> Doug

>PADI has a course called "Skin Diver", which is just learning to
>use mask, snorkel and fins, but not scuba gear. Don't know if that
>helps you any. This course is fun (I enjoy teaching it as well),
>but requires a separate course, eg. PADI's Open Water Diver to
>become a certified scuba diver.

>Don't worry about posting your question in the wrong place - this
>is better for this particular question than rec.basketball or
>something like that.

>Dani Schwarz

This is my guess, it is only a guess.
Based on the title of the course I would say the first part of the
course is skin diving. This probably last 2-4 weeks.  The rest of the
class is SCUBA diving.  Since part of the semester (assumption you are
on the semester system) is done with this is OW.  (Here OW and Advanced
are covered in one semester, each has 6 or 7 weeks).  Further, the
grade in the course is based on the classwork, while for certification
you are required to make the necessary dives outside of class, usually
on weekends.  (That is how it is done here.)  
This is what I would expect from the class.

Ron

ps Have fun and if you would be so kind, email me and let me know
if I am right or wrong.  
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Post by David Ray Richards » Fri, 16 Feb 1996 04:00:00

: I think we can look at this agency/college credit thing in a different way.

: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd guess that most university diver training
: is much more rigorous than any regular agency training. This is due to the
: fact that these courses are usually scientific diver courses, not simply
: recreational diver courses. I can't imagine that any *respectable*
: university would give course credit for simply completing any PADI or
: NAUI training (regardless of ACE approval) without going through a
: semester of dive theory and scientific diving methods lectures.

I don't know about up north but most of the large colleges down in the
South offer Scuba as a recreational class.  I guess UM doesn't offer
Golf, softball, bowling, etc. I took the NAUI course at Southern Miss, It
was the basic OWI course but we praticed the drills more throughly than
what you would get in a weekend class.  I strongly recomend getting your
C-Card this way if you have the chance.  Talking and diving with people
who just had a stanard 2 or 3 week class, I think I was more comfortable
with my ablities just from the fact of the extended time in the pool
swimming with the gear on.  Of course it is no replacement for acutal
diving but it is still good.

David R.
USM '94
NAUI OWII

 
 
 

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Post by Carl Hein » Fri, 16 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd guess that most university diver training
>is much more rigorous than any regular agency training. This is due to the
>fact that these courses are usually scientific diver courses, not simply
>recreational diver courses. I can't imagine that any *respectable*
>university would give course credit for simply completing any PADI or
>NAUI training (regardless of ACE approval) without going through a
>semester of dive theory and scientific diving methods lectures.

I cannot tell you what MOST univ. diver training pgms are like...  but
I can offer one datapoint...  the one at MIT is truly a NAUI OW pgm,
sometimes they offer OWII as well.  It is NOT a scientific diver
pgm...

I believe the same is true at Univ of Fl (perhaps Ken will fill us in
there and Jim will tell us about Ga Tech)...

Someone said *PE* credit - not course credit... Scuba is totally
acceptable for physical education credit, just like volleyball, golf
or tiddlywinks.

I believ the actual *scientific* or *research* diver pgms are few and
far between.  Not sure if they actually give college (course) credit
or not.

-Carl-

 
 
 

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Post by Jim Greenl » Fri, 16 Feb 1996 04:00:00


Quote:

>I cannot tell you what MOST univ. diver training pgms are like...
>but the one at MIT is truly a NAUI OW pgm, I believe the same is true
>at Univ of Fl (perhaps Ken will fill us in there and Jim will tell us
>about Ga Tech)...

The Georgia Tech course is a non-credit course, but is still more
rigorous (both academically and physically) than a typical dive shop
course.  The classes meet once a week for four hours, for eight
consecutive weeks (which works well for us at the moment because we
are on the quarter system).

It could easily be taught as a 1 credit hour PE course, if there were
sufficient interest here to do it that way.  Depending on who is
teaching the course, the certification given is NAUI or YMCA - our
course meets or exceeds the standards of both those agencies (in
fact, I issue YMCA OWII certifications for students completing their
initial training through our program).

We frequently get comments back from the charter boat operators that
our students seem very well prepared for their checkout dives. I
personally think that Georgia Tech students are the best divers
anywhere :-).

-JimG

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Post by Shyam Pare » Mon, 19 Feb 1996 04:00:00

Wow, I guess I was wrong. I really thought that colleges would only
give course credit for courses that had some *scientific* lecture
component along with the OW course. I can understand giving PE credit
for the OW component alone, but course credit?

David, Southern Miss only gives PE credit right for the OW course, right?
I saw some other posts that imply that course credit can be earned from
taking the OW course. Does anyone have any examples of colleges giving
course credit (applicable towards a degree requirement) for the OW course?

At UofM we don't have any physical education requirement (We can get fat
and lazy if don't watch out), so we don't have much use for PE credits.

Anyway, I'm happy to see that the colleges are offering more rigorous
diver training alternatives for their students.

Shyam

Quote:
(David Ray Richardson) writes:

>: I think we can look at this agency/college credit thing in a different way.

>: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd guess that most university diver training
>: is much more rigorous than any regular agency training. This is due to the
>: fact that these courses are usually scientific diver courses, not simply
>: recreational diver courses. I can't imagine that any *respectable*
>: university would give course credit for simply completing any PADI or
>: NAUI training (regardless of ACE approval) without going through a
>: semester of dive theory and scientific diving methods lectures.

>I don't know about up north but most of the large colleges down in the
>South offer Scuba as a recreational class.  I guess UM doesn't offer
>Golf, softball, bowling, etc. I took the NAUI course at Southern Miss, It
>was the basic OWI course but we praticed the drills more throughly than
>what you would get in a weekend class.  I strongly recomend getting your
>C-Card this way if you have the chance.  Talking and diving with people
>who just had a stanard 2 or 3 week class, I think I was more comfortable
>with my ablities just from the fact of the extended time in the pool
>swimming with the gear on.  Of course it is no replacement for acutal
>diving but it is still good.

>David R.
>USM '94
>NAUI OWII