I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

Post by tmark.. » Tue, 01 Aug 1995 04:00:00


Hi!

My wife's sister wants to know if it is safe to scuba dive if she doesn't know how to swim and is afraid of the deep.  Her boyfriend is still insistent on her going though.  
Please let me know ASAP before she gets herself killed.  Okay?

Tracy

 
 
 

I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

Post by Jason O'Rour » Tue, 01 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>My wife's sister wants to know if it is safe to scuba dive if she doesn't know how to swim and is afraid of the deep.  Her boyfriend is still insistent on her going though.  
>Please let me know ASAP before she gets herself killed.  Okay?

She'll be fine.  The first thing the instructor will want to see is her
swimming 400 meters (?) non stop, swim underwater for 15-25 meters, and
tread water for 10 or 15 minutes.  When she fails to do these things, the
course will end.

Seriously, your sister-in-laws boyfriend is looking to lose his
relationship by pushing her into doing something she isn't prepared to
do.  "Can't swim and is afraid of the deep."  Comfort and feeling at ease
are pretty important for divers, especially new ones who are still
adapting to new equipment.

 
 
 

I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

Post by MikeS576 » Tue, 01 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Quote:
>My wife's sister wants to know if it is safe to scuba dive if she doesn't
>know how to swim and is afraid of the deep.  Her boyfriend is still
>insistent on her going though.  
>Please let me know ASAP before she gets herself killed.  Okay?
>Tracy

Lot's of people will go nuts over this post. Let it suffice to say that at
least basic swimming skills are essential to safety in diving. Some of the
older divers will remember that swimming requirements used to be
incredibly spartan.  She at least must tread water and swim some to get
certified.  Can't imagine anyone allowing her to get her C-card if she
can't swim.
If I had a nickel for every time I had to swim to save my ass, I'd have at
least buck.

 
 
 

I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

Post by Castelli Massi » Tue, 01 Aug 1995 04:00:00


Quote:

>Hi!

>My wife's sister wants to know if it is safe to scuba dive if she doesn't know how to swim and is afraid of the deep.  Her boyfriend is still insistent on her going though.  
>Please let me know ASAP before she gets herself killed.  Okay?

I think it's faster to drown her with a pair of cement shoes :-) , I would
also check on the "friendliness" of the girl's boy"friend" ...

Max

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I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

Post by Ken Matso » Tue, 01 Aug 1995 04:00:00


Quote:
> Hi!

> My wife's sister wants to know if it is safe to scuba dive if she
> doesn't know how to swim and is afraid of the deep.  Her boyfriend is
> still insistent on her going though.  

NOBODY should go diving because someone else is insistent.  She should only
go if she wants to go.  Tell her boyfriend to back off.

ken matson

 
 
 

I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

Post by Donna Sou » Tue, 01 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Quote:
> My wife's sister wants to know if it is safe to scuba dive if she
> doesn't know how to swim and is afraid of the deep.  Her boyfriend is
> still insistent on her going though.  

1. Can't swim.
2. Afraid of deep (water)

Should she dive?  ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! This would be foolish in the extreme.
This is a fatality just waiting to happen.  Don't do it.  Please.

D.
NAUI Divemaster

 
 
 

I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

Post by Todd Leona » Tue, 01 Aug 1995 04:00:00


Quote:

>My wife's sister wants to know if it is safe to scuba dive if she
>doesn't know how to swim and is afraid of the deep.  Her boyfriend
>is still insistent on her going though.  
>Please let me know ASAP before she gets herself killed.  Okay?

IMHO, it's *extremely* important that people approach diving
of their own accord, without being pressured by others.  This
is a sport where self-reliance is the best path to safety.
Somebody who's been forced into it is going to wind up feeling
dependant, and their attention just won't be on anticipating
and addressing the sport's risks before they occur.

If, hypothetically, we were talking about a person who *wanted*
to dive but didn't know how to swim... I'd urge swimming lessons
as the first step toward their goal.  Learning how to swim is
largely a matter of gaining confidence and familiarity with a
new environment.  Those same skills are needed while diving, but
aren't generally taught from scratch in scuba classes.

Anyway, encourage her to think and act for herself.  She knows
what to do -- she just needs the confidence to do it.

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I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

Post by Shan » Tue, 01 Aug 1995 04:00:00


Quote:
> Hi!

> My wife's sister wants to know if it is safe to scuba dive if she doesn't know how to swim and is afraid of the deep.  Her boyfriend is still insistent on her going though.  
> Please let me know ASAP before she gets herself killed.  Okay?

> Tracy

No, she shouldn't.  The fear of "the Deep" may go away quickly once she
is submerged (often seems to be the case) but she should be able to swim
for her own safety and to make it more pleasurable, besides.  In truth,
one doesn't HAVE to be a good swimmer to SCUBA dive, but the better one
can swim the better the diving will be.  When things go wrong - surface
swims, strong currents, surge, etc, etc (and any kind of demanding
conditions) - you want to be able to swim very well.  Tell her boyfriend
to lay off her...too many spouses/SO's get involved in this activity for
the wrong reasons - directly or indirectly pressured by their partners -
and are typically totally dependent upon them underwater and on the boat,
and become a danger to themselves and to anybody who shares the water
with them.  Let her take up diving, if ever, when she really wants
to...her boyfriend's going to have to find himself another buddy.

                                                                Shane

 
 
 

I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

Post by Michael Ci » Tue, 01 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>> My wife's sister wants to know if it is safe to scuba dive if she
>> doesn't know how to swim and is afraid of the deep.  Her boyfriend is
>> still insistent on her going though.  

>1. Can't swim.
>2. Afraid of deep (water)

>Should she dive?  ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!! This would be foolish in the extreme.
>This is a fatality just waiting to happen.  Don't do it.  Please.

>D.
>NAUI Divemaster

I thought this very interesting and similar to my own situation, so I decided
to reply-

Prior to my learning to scuba dive, I was *terrified* of water that I couldn't
touch bottom in-this stemmed from a traumatic experience that I had as a child
(maybe 6 or 7) when I had to swim across the deep end of the pool during
swimming lessons-I didn't make it all the way across and all I remember is
spinning and flailing my arms and watching the lights on the side of the pool
go around and around....the instructor had to dive in and get me..
Shortly after this, we moved out to the country and I never did get to
officially finish those lessons.  I was OK in shallow water, but at the time,
I did not wish to investigate any further.

Cut to about 10 years later-I had some extra money and had seen lots of
Jacques Cousteau stories on television, and was mildly facinated with the
equipment (current occupation, engineer, so you can get the idea... ;-)  )
and I decided to take up diving-got certified, and didn't have any problem
other than clearing my ears initially.  Didn't have any money to buy equipment
and didn't have a buddy, so I kind of forgot about diving.  

Another 9-10 years pass while I was a poor college student and just getting
started in engineering, and I got into a group where the secretary was also
a NAUI diving instructor.  I took a refresher course and started diving again,
helping out around the dive shop hauling tanks, etc.  and was able to gradually
get back into the sport.  I made a few trips to Florida, etc. and really had
a good time.  

I then took a technical training job that required *extensive* travel (and
carrying dive gear in addition to everything else was out of the question)
so I didn't dive for another few years.  

Last summer, I met a guy at work, and he commented on my 'I'd rather be diving'
coffee mug and we got to talking about diving (one of my favorite things) and
he started the next week in his OWI class.  We then started diving together,
and since then I have been diving more than ever before.  I got a drysuit
(ok, yes, I wasn't quite comfortable in 40 degree Lake Superior water while
diving in a wetsuit ;-) ),  I currently hold a NAUI Master Scuba Diver
certification and diving is one of my most enjoyable hobbies.  

(For those that have kept reading to this point, there is much applause.. ;-))

So here's my recommendation:  I would not quite say 'ABSOLUTELY NOT' and
at the same time I would not say 'DEFINITELY', I would follow the other
poster's guidance and say that if she (not her boyfriend) REALLY WANTS TO
then she should take an introductory course (offered by some dive shops)
to see if she likes it and venture forth from there.  Fear of deep water
(at least as far as I have had it) and learning to swim are definitely
obstacles that can be overcome, but the individual should ONLY DO IT IF THEY
REALLY WANT TO-DO NOT ALLOW ANYONE TO PRESSURE YOU INTO DOING SOMETHING THAT
YOU DO NOT WANT TO DO.

I have had many personally challenging (but also very rewarding) diving
experiences and I would not trade them for anything-(OK, maybe a billion
dollars, but then I would start diving again off of my luxury yacht.. ;-)
the underwater world is much to wonderful...

Sorry this ended up being so long, but I wanted to pass this along..

Mike
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I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

Post by Sean Peise » Tue, 01 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

> Hi!

> My wife's sister wants to know if it is safe to scuba dive if she

doesn't know how to swim and is afraid of the deep.  Her boyfriend is
still insistent on her going though.  

Quote:
> Please let me know ASAP before she gets herself killed.  Okay?

It is 100% not ok to dive in these situations.  Anyone who suggests
otherwise must be suffering from a massive *** overdose or is trying to
kill the person.

--
Sean Peisert

 
 
 

I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

Post by Sean Peise » Tue, 01 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

> Hi!

> My wife's sister wants to know if it is safe to scuba dive if she

doesn't know how to swim and is afraid of the deep.  Her boyfriend is
still insistent on her going though.  

Quote:
> Please let me know ASAP before she gets herself killed.  Okay?

...diving is an incredible sport, though.  I highly recommend that she
learn to swim and work her way into diving via a swim->snorkel->SCUBA
progression.  This can take a long time, however.  

Swimming is necessary all the time during diving, especially if one does
beach dives, where a strong swimmer might be necessary.  Diving might
occasionally be stressful, and a fear of the deep or inconfidence from
lack of strong swimming could be a catastrophe.

--
Sean Peisert

 
 
 

I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

Post by Kim Dy » Tue, 01 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Quote:
>She'll be fine.  The first thing the instructor will want to see is her
>swimming 400 meters (?) non stop, swim underwater for 15-25 meters, and
>tread water for 10 or 15 minutes.  When she fails to do these things, the
>course will end.

Huh?  I wasn't asked to do those things when I was certified. Not that I
*couldn't*, I just didn't have to prove it.  (Well, without weight I couldn't
do 15-25 meters underwater.  I've never gotten to the bottom of a pool without
weight.)

But diving without being able to swim and be comfortable in the water is
a "bad thing" (tm).   You don't have to have great form or be competitive
level, but you need some ability.

 
 
 

I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

Post by Elizabeth Brenn » Tue, 01 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>My wife's sister wants to know if it is safe to scuba dive if she doesn't
>know how to swim and is afraid of the deep.  Her boyfriend is still insistent
>on her going though.  

Yikes! If she wants to please her boyfriend she can get a new dress or
something, not risk her life. I'll give this guy the benefit of the doubt
and assume that he cares so much for your sister-in-law that he wants to
share this very important part of his life with her (SCUBA). If this is
indeed the case then I would think he could be easily persuaded to help
her get swimming lessons so that she could snorkel along with him until
she's comfortable enough to take the plunge into SCUBA (sorry). If, on the
other hand, he remains oblivious to her concerns then...well, noone has
ever taken the advice that would follow that observation so I'll just leave
it.

Best of luck to you and her.
Bette

 
 
 

I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

Post by Dillon Pyr » Tue, 01 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>>My wife's sister wants to know if it is safe to scuba dive if she doesn't
>>know how to swim and is afraid of the deep.  Her boyfriend is still
>>insistent on her going though.  
>>Please let me know ASAP before she gets herself killed.  Okay?

>>Tracy

>Lot's of people will go nuts over this post. Let it suffice to say that at
>least basic swimming skills are essential to safety in diving. Some of the
>older divers will remember that swimming requirements used to be
>incredibly spartan.  She at least must tread water and swim some to get
>certified.  Can't imagine anyone allowing her to get her C-card if she
>can't swim.
>If I had a nickel for every time I had to swim to save my ass, I'd have at
>least buck.

More to the point, anyone who is not comfortable in the water, especially deep
water, is going to have trouble diving.

Besides, learning to dive because one's SO insists is the single worst reason I
can think of.

dillon
PADI OWSI-54909

 
 
 

I don't know how to swim...should I dive?

Post by Graham Gree » Tue, 01 Aug 1995 04:00:00


Quote:

> Hi!

> My wife's sister wants to know if it is safe to scuba dive if she doesn't know how to swim and

is afraid of the deep.  Her boyfriend is still insistent on her going though.  
Quote:
> Please let me know ASAP before she gets herself killed.  Okay?

> Tracy

OK Tracy I know this is just flame bait but here it comes:

1.      Tracy is kind of a funny name for a guy.  Perhaps your parents were deeply affected by
***, Spencer or the Thunderbirds boys.  

2.      Your wife's sister is, in fact, deranged if she ( or anyone else for that matter )
thinks that the inability to swim and fear of 'the deep' are not barriers to scuba diving.

3.      What kind of judgement does this person possess to go with a boyfriend who is clearly
attempting to kill her?  Is she rich/well insured/as *** as she is stupid?

4.      Assuming this half-witted person exists outside of your mind ( do you have any imaginary
friends by the way ) and that she finds someone daft enough to teach her to dive here are a few
tips:-

do not attempt to dive using compressed propane as the breathing mixture of choice
choose all diving equipment with co-ordinated colours
buy a bigger knife than your boyfriend
always double fill tanks to ensure extra bottom time
always remember that a good dive computer does not require any knowledge of its operation (
that's how you know its a good one )
Its more fun to put equipment on DURING surf entries
Always dive as deep as you possibly can - surface when air runs out
Lock the head door on boat dives on the way out not on the way back ( old diving tradition that
catches newbies out )

Kindest Regards

--
Graham Green