Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Post by Eric Forsli » Thu, 03 May 2001 08:43:51


Hi,

I'm from the US and my regulator mounts on the normal K valve type
tank.  I'm moving near the Mediterranean in France for the summer and
I'd like to know if I should have my regulator converted to a DIN type
mount before I go or will I be ok keeping my regulator as-is.  Do
European dive shops typically use tanks with DIN or K valves or do they
keep both for rental?

Thanks
Eric

 
 
 

Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Post by Pirate Da » Thu, 03 May 2001 10:46:55

Eric,

In Sicily the convertable type of valve seemed to be pretty common.  Lots of
Germans use the DIN mount while I think the Italians are MOSTLY still using
the yoke type so the boats have to be able to use either.  Have fun, Dave
Cannell


says...

Quote:

>Hi,

>I'm from the US and my regulator mounts on the normal K valve type
>tank.  I'm moving near the Mediterranean in France for the summer and
>I'd like to know if I should have my regulator converted to a DIN type
>mount before I go or will I be ok keeping my regulator as-is.  Do
>European dive shops typically use tanks with DIN or K valves or do they
>keep both for rental?

>Thanks
>Eric


 
 
 

Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Post by SFM » Thu, 03 May 2001 11:12:20

Quote:

> Eric,

> In Sicily the convertable type of valve seemed to be pretty common.  Lots of
> Germans use the DIN mount while I think the Italians are MOSTLY still using
> the yoke type so the boats have to be able to use either.  Have fun, Dave
> Cannell


> says...

> >Hi,

> >I'm from the US and my regulator mounts on the normal K valve type
> >tank.  I'm moving near the Mediterranean in France for the summer and
> >I'd like to know if I should have my regulator converted to a DIN type
> >mount before I go or will I be ok keeping my regulator as-is.  Do
> >European dive shops typically use tanks with DIN or K valves or do they
> >keep both for rental?

> >Thanks
> >Eric

First you should learn what DIN and what a K valve are.

THe DIN valve uses a standard 200 bar or 300 bar threaded connection
with the male thread on the regulator with the O-ring.

The US uses a 'yoke' arrangement where the regulator connects to the
valve and is sealed with tank pressure.

Both the DIN and yoke valve come in the 'K' style. The 'K' vale is a
simple on/off valve.

So to answer you question you will find DIN K valves in Europe.

Scott
--
---------------------------------------
Scott Migaldi
PP-ASEL
PADI MSDT 150972
Home page: http://user.mc.net/~millie1

 
 
 

Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Post by Mike Forka » Thu, 03 May 2001 22:55:51


Quote:
>Hi,

>I'm from the US and my regulator mounts on the normal K valve type
>tank.  I'm moving near the Mediterranean in France for the summer and
>I'd like to know if I should have my regulator converted to a DIN type
>mount before I go or will I be ok keeping my regulator as-is.  Do
>European dive shops typically use tanks with DIN or K valves or do they
>keep both for rental?

>Thanks
>Eric

Eric,

My school of thought (please understand YMMV) is that ideally if I was going
to travel internationally and dive I would take have the yoke fitting
removed and replaced with a DIN fitting with a DIN-to-yoke adapter. This way  
you cover all your bases. If you dive nitrox you can easily do the higher
pressure tanks.

I explored the possibility and will probably get it done to my Sherwood
Oasis sometime this summer.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Mike

 
 
 

Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Post by The Rev Ro » Fri, 04 May 2001 05:47:46

Hi Eric,
I'm from Europe, and most modern tanks are din threaded but fitted with
Yoke (we soemtimes call them 'Conex' adaptors. dive shops etc, will alter
them to fit your regs in around 30 seconds, although I always carry a
DIN-Yoke adapter with me, (in UK around 4 - $5.50), this way if you are
stuck with  DIN threaded tank, you just fit your own adapter (don't forget
to retrieve it later though) <grin>

Oh BTW in Europe 'proper' most tanks are only filled to 200 bar (2800 psi),
whereas in England they are filled to 232 bar (3,300 psi), which means dive
times, are the same for a 10L tank (UK) as for a 12L tank (Europe), 72 cu
ft and 84 cu ft.

And if you want to dive in France you will need a medical certificate
signed over there.

Hope this helps.
Rob

Quote:

> Hi,

> I'm from the US and my regulator mounts on the normal K valve type
> tank.  I'm moving near the Mediterranean in France for the summer and
> I'd like to know if I should have my regulator converted to a DIN type
> mount before I go or will I be ok keeping my regulator as-is.  Do
> European dive shops typically use tanks with DIN or K valves or do they
> keep both for rental?

> Thanks
> Eric

 
 
 

Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Post by Scott F. Migald » Thu, 03 May 2001 23:17:53

Quote:

> wha' f*%k?

> SFM stroked his...keys:
> > The US uses a 'yoke' arrangement where the regulator connects to the
> > valve and is sealed with tank pressure.
> Where I live, US-occupied Hawaiian Islands, I use DIN-threaded regs and
> valves. Where're you from, bubba? And, when I do use "k-valve"'d tanks, I
> usually make sure there is an o-ring to seal it all up. Dude you should not
> confuse people with your knowledge.

Capt. Kangraroo or whetever,

On the yoke arrangement the oring is on the valve unlike the DIN where
it is on the regulator. If you really used DIN you would know that. When
the reg is attached to the valve and pressure is applied the o-ring
expands and seals the connection between the two parts. The yoke***
is tightened only to prevent the o-ring form overexpanding and blowing
past the the reg/valve interface.

I too use DIN in the US but those of us who do are in the vast minority
the primary system is yoke. I guess you would have known that too if you
thought about it instead of protesting about the evil US stopping Hawaii
from being a third world island sub-nation under Japanese rule.

 
 
 

Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Post by The Rev Ro » Fri, 04 May 2001 05:47:46

Hi Eric,
I'm from Europe, and most modern tanks are din threaded but fitted with
Yoke (we soemtimes call them 'Conex' adaptors. dive shops etc, will alter
them to fit your regs in around 30 seconds, although I always carry a
DIN-Yoke adapter with me, (in UK around 4 - $5.50), this way if you are
stuck with  DIN threaded tank, you just fit your own adapter (don't forget
to retrieve it later though) <grin>

Oh BTW in Europe 'proper' most tanks are only filled to 200 bar (2800 psi),
whereas in England they are filled to 232 bar (3,300 psi), which means dive
times, are the same for a 10L tank (UK) as for a 12L tank (Europe), 72 cu
ft and 84 cu ft.

And if you want to dive in France you will need a medical certificate
signed over there.

Hope this helps.
Rob

Quote:

> Hi,

> I'm from the US and my regulator mounts on the normal K valve type
> tank.  I'm moving near the Mediterranean in France for the summer and
> I'd like to know if I should have my regulator converted to a DIN type
> mount before I go or will I be ok keeping my regulator as-is.  Do
> European dive shops typically use tanks with DIN or K valves or do they
> keep both for rental?

> Thanks
> Eric

 
 
 

Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Post by Capt. Mark Kapon » Fri, 04 May 2001 07:39:42

That would be "yolk", bubba.

killfiled

--
Capt. Mark Kapono
Kailua-Kona, HI
________________________________
I'll take the sharp end.
http://SportToday.org/~mkapono/  fish pictures, camera words, and stuff.



Quote:

> > wha' f*%k?

> > SFM stroked his...keys:
> > > The US uses a 'yoke' arrangement where the regulator connects to the
> > > valve and is sealed with tank pressure.
> > Where I live, US-occupied Hawaiian Islands, I use DIN-threaded regs and
> > valves. Where're you from, bubba? And, when I do use "k-valve"'d tanks,
I
> > usually make sure there is an o-ring to seal it all up. Dude you should
not
> > confuse people with your knowledge.

> Capt. Kangraroo or whetever,

> On the yoke arrangement the oring is on the valve unlike the DIN where
> it is on the regulator. If you really used DIN you would know that. When
> the reg is attached to the valve and pressure is applied the o-ring
> expands and seals the connection between the two parts. The yoke***
> is tightened only to prevent the o-ring form overexpanding and blowing
> past the the reg/valve interface.

> I too use DIN in the US but those of us who do are in the vast minority
> the primary system is yoke. I guess you would have known that too if you
> thought about it instead of protesting about the evil US stopping Hawaii
> from being a third world island sub-nation under Japanese rule.

 
 
 

Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Post by HLAviati » Fri, 04 May 2001 08:47:51

Quote:
>That would be "yolk", bubba.

Would that be a regulator you put on eggs?
 
 
 

Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Post by Paul Schilte » Fri, 04 May 2001 18:35:51

Mark,
    I didn't realize there was a lot of anti-American feeling in Hawaii.
BTW - It's yoke
Paul



Quote:
> Where I live, US-occupied Hawaiian Islands, I use DIN-threaded regs and
> valves. Where're you from, bubba? And, when I do use "k-valve"'d tanks, I
> usually make sure there is an o-ring to seal it all up. Dude you should
not
> confuse people with your knowledge.

> BTW, Eric, I encountered on Corsica the Beuchat valves, 200 bar DIN,
> 5-thread, with the little***in adapter for the A-clamp types of
> regulators. I was told these are common to find. Just be sure both o-rings
> are in the adapter, 'cause no amount of tank pressure is going to seal
that
> sucker up without 'em.

> Where you moving to?
> --
> Capt. Mark Kapono
> Kailua-Kona, HI
> ________________________________
> I'll take the sharp end.
> http://SportToday.org/~mkapono/  fish pictures, camera words, and
stuff.



> > > Eric,

> > > In Sicily the convertable type of valve seemed to be pretty common.
> Lots of
> > > Germans use the DIN mount while I think the Italians are MOSTLY still
> using
> > > the yoke type so the boats have to be able to use either.  Have fun,
> Dave
> > > Cannell



> > > says...

> > > >Hi,

> > > >I'm from the US and my regulator mounts on the normal K valve type
> > > >tank.  I'm moving near the Mediterranean in France for the summer and
> > > >I'd like to know if I should have my regulator converted to a DIN
type
> > > >mount before I go or will I be ok keeping my regulator as-is.  Do
> > > >European dive shops typically use tanks with DIN or K valves or do
they
> > > >keep both for rental?

> > > >Thanks
> > > >Eric

> > First you should learn what DIN and what a K valve are.

> > THe DIN valve uses a standard 200 bar or 300 bar threaded connection
> > with the male thread on the regulator with the O-ring.

> > The US uses a 'yoke' arrangement where the regulator connects to the
> > valve and is sealed with tank pressure.

> > Both the DIN and yoke valve come in the 'K' style. The 'K' vale is a
> > simple on/off valve.

> > So to answer you question you will find DIN K valves in Europe.

> > Scott
> > --
> > ---------------------------------------
> > Scott Migaldi
> > PP-ASEL
> > PADI MSDT 150972
> > Home page: http://SportToday.org/~millie1

 
 
 

Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Post by Capt. Mark Kapon » Fri, 04 May 2001 20:51:11

Quote:
> Mark,
>     I didn't realize there was a lot of anti-American feeling in Hawaii.
> BTW - It's yoke
> Paul

There are a few Hawaiians that are working toward restoring a legitimate
government here. Some of whom resent the overthrow of the rightful
government in the 1890's, putting Queen Liliuokalani under house arrest, in
her own country. All this promulgated by wealthy foreign (mostly American)
business interests calling upon US Marines to land on foreign soil
(Hawaiian). The US broke every one of its treaties with the Hawaiian
government in this move. The United States had its eye on Hawaii for a long
time, and finally, illegally, it got what it wanted.

http://SportToday.org/
http://SportToday.org/
http://SportToday.org/'s address to House and
Senate, December 1893
http://SportToday.org/, 103rd
Congress, November 1993
--
Capt. Mark Kapono
Kailua-Kona, HI
________________________________
I'll take the sharp end.
http://SportToday.org/~mkapono/  fish pictures, camera words, and stuff.


Quote:
> Mark,
>     I didn't realize there was a lot of anti-American feeling in Hawaii.
> BTW - It's yoke
> Paul



> > Where I live, US-occupied Hawaiian Islands, I use DIN-threaded regs and
> > valves. Where're you from, bubba? And, when I do use "k-valve"'d tanks,
I
> > usually make sure there is an o-ring to seal it all up. Dude you should
> not
> > confuse people with your knowledge.

> > BTW, Eric, I encountered on Corsica the Beuchat valves, 200 bar DIN,
> > 5-thread, with the little***in adapter for the A-clamp types of
> > regulators. I was told these are common to find. Just be sure both
o-rings
> > are in the adapter, 'cause no amount of tank pressure is going to seal
> that
> > sucker up without 'em.

> > Where you moving to?
> > --
> > Capt. Mark Kapono
> > Kailua-Kona, HI
> > ________________________________
> > I'll take the sharp end.
> > http://SportToday.org/~mkapono/  fish pictures, camera words, and
> stuff.



> > > > Eric,

> > > > In Sicily the convertable type of valve seemed to be pretty common.
> > Lots of
> > > > Germans use the DIN mount while I think the Italians are MOSTLY
still
> > using
> > > > the yoke type so the boats have to be able to use either.  Have fun,
> > Dave
> > > > Cannell



> > > > says...

> > > > >Hi,

> > > > >I'm from the US and my regulator mounts on the normal K valve type
> > > > >tank.  I'm moving near the Mediterranean in France for the summer
and
> > > > >I'd like to know if I should have my regulator converted to a DIN
> type
> > > > >mount before I go or will I be ok keeping my regulator as-is.  Do
> > > > >European dive shops typically use tanks with DIN or K valves or do
> they
> > > > >keep both for rental?

> > > > >Thanks
> > > > >Eric

> > > First you should learn what DIN and what a K valve are.

> > > THe DIN valve uses a standard 200 bar or 300 bar threaded connection
> > > with the male thread on the regulator with the O-ring.

> > > The US uses a 'yoke' arrangement where the regulator connects to the
> > > valve and is sealed with tank pressure.

> > > Both the DIN and yoke valve come in the 'K' style. The 'K' vale is a
> > > simple on/off valve.

> > > So to answer you question you will find DIN K valves in Europe.

> > > Scott
> > > --
> > > ---------------------------------------
> > > Scott Migaldi
> > > PP-ASEL
> > > PADI MSDT 150972
> > > Home page: http://SportToday.org/~millie1

 
 
 

Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Post by Mark Morto » Sat, 05 May 2001 00:24:25

Quote:

>Snip
>There are a few Hawaiians that are working toward restoring a legitimate
>government here. Some of whom resent the overthrow of the rightful
>government in the 1890's, putting Queen Liliuokalani under house arrest, in
>her own country. All this promulgated by wealthy foreign (mostly American)
>business interests calling upon US Marines to land on foreign soil
>(Hawaiian). The US broke every one of its treaties with the Hawaiian
>government in this move. The United States had its eye on Hawaii for a long
>time, and finally, illegally, it got what it wanted.

>http://www.alohaquest.com/arbitration/news_honoluluweekly_010418.htm
>http://www.alohaquest.com/arbitration/news_polynesian_0102.htm
>http://www.pca-cpa.org/RPC/annexure1.htm Cleveland's address to House and
>Senate, December 1893
>http://www.pca-cpa.org/RPC/annexure2.htm US Public Law 103-150, 103rd
>Congress, November 1993
>--
>Capt. Mark Kapono
>Kailua-Kona, HI

The same can be said of the Aztecs (Spain), California (Spanish American)
North America (European/Native American Indians) Conch Republic (Florida
Keys/US)
South Africa (Germany/British) India (British) Egypt (British) etc.
The aquisition of land by large countries from smaller ones is something all
"modern" countries should be ashamed of . Where do you draw the lines?
It's a pretty complicated issue. Do you give back HI to the natives? Should
you also
restore the land to it's original condition? That is bulldoze all those
Hotels and
plant trees? How about the Native Americans? This country was theirs. Is
there
a period of time that passes and then it's OK? What of interbreeding? My
grandmother
was Apache Indian, my great,great,great grandfather signed the Declaration
of Independence.
Aren't we really talking about previous self interest and current self
interest. And is
there really any difference? It comes down to that food chain thing, huh!
The big and
strong win.
Mark
 
 
 

Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Post by Mark Morto » Sat, 05 May 2001 00:45:28

The 1800's, darn, the US aquired Arizona in the 1800's basically from the
Apache Indians.
Perhaps under the same statute those of us with native American *** could
aquire
Arizona sans houses, roads, wells, hotels, industry, agriculture, economy
and such.
Then in our "native" state we could capitalize on our ability to hunt and
gather =:>)
Mark

Directly quoted from

Quote:
>http://SportToday.org/

"There is a provision, Article 27 of the Vienna Convention, that codified
what had been accepted as international law since the 1800's. It states, 'A
party may not invoke the provision of its internal law as justification for
its failure to perform a treaty.'"

Broken down, that means when a nation, such as the United States, has a
treaty with another nation, such as the Kingdom of Hawai'i, the United
States cannot impose its own domestic laws. Which is to say, it's illegal
for one country to go to another country - say, Switzerland - and put up its
own flag just because it has the military and economic might to do it.

Quote:
>There are a few Hawaiians that are working toward restoring a legitimate
>government here. Some of whom resent the overthrow of the rightful
>government in the 1890's, putting Queen Liliuokalani under house arrest, in
>her own country. All this promulgated by wealthy foreign (mostly American)
>business interests calling upon US Marines to land on foreign soil
>(Hawaiian). The US broke every one of its treaties with the Hawaiian
>government in this move. The United States had its eye on Hawaii for a long
>time, and finally, illegally, it got what it wanted.

>http://SportToday.org/
>http://SportToday.org/
>http://SportToday.org/'s address to House and
>Senate, December 1893
>http://SportToday.org/, 103rd
>Congress, November 1993
>--
>Capt. Mark Kapono
>Kailua-Kona, HI
>________________________________
>I'll take the sharp end.

 
 
 

Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Post by Capt. Mark Kapon » Sat, 05 May 2001 02:04:45

You are joking about the Conch Republic, right?

--
Capt. Mark Kapono
Kailua-Kona, HI
________________________________
I'll take the sharp end.
http://SportToday.org/~mkapono/  fish pictures, camera words, and stuff.


Quote:
> The 1800's, darn, the US aquired Arizona in the 1800's basically from the
> Apache Indians.
> Perhaps under the same statute those of us with native American ***
could
> aquire
> Arizona sans houses, roads, wells, hotels, industry, agriculture, economy
> and such.
> Then in our "native" state we could capitalize on our ability to hunt and
> gather =:>)
> Mark

> Directly quoted from
> >http://SportToday.org/
> "There is a provision, Article 27 of the Vienna Convention, that codified
> what had been accepted as international law since the 1800's. It states,
'A
> party may not invoke the provision of its internal law as justification
for
> its failure to perform a treaty.'"

> Broken down, that means when a nation, such as the United States, has a
> treaty with another nation, such as the Kingdom of Hawai'i, the United
> States cannot impose its own domestic laws. Which is to say, it's illegal
> for one country to go to another country - say, Switzerland - and put up
its
> own flag just because it has the military and economic might to do it.

> >There are a few Hawaiians that are working toward restoring a legitimate
> >government here. Some of whom resent the overthrow of the rightful
> >government in the 1890's, putting Queen Liliuokalani under house arrest,
in
> >her own country. All this promulgated by wealthy foreign (mostly
American)
> >business interests calling upon US Marines to land on foreign soil
> >(Hawaiian). The US broke every one of its treaties with the Hawaiian
> >government in this move. The United States had its eye on Hawaii for a
long
> >time, and finally, illegally, it got what it wanted.

> >http://SportToday.org/
> >http://SportToday.org/
> >http://SportToday.org/'s address to House and
> >Senate, December 1893
> >http://SportToday.org/, 103rd
> >Congress, November 1993
> >--
> >Capt. Mark Kapono
> >Kailua-Kona, HI
> >________________________________
> >I'll take the sharp end.

 
 
 

Diving in Europe: K or DIN Valve

Post by Paul Schilte » Sat, 05 May 2001 01:50:22

Capt. Mark,
    Very interesting reading.  I don't think I've ever heard that taught in
history class.  Like they say, history is written by the victor.  Two other
questions.  I can understand that a part of the Hawaiians are upset over
this issue, but how did Hawaii become a state?  Wouldn't the majority have
had to vote for statehood? Or by now are the native Hawaiians a minority in
there own land? Second, what does "I'll take the sharp end" mean?  I've
wondered about that for a while.
Paul



Quote:
> There are a few Hawaiians that are working toward restoring a legitimate
> government here. Some of whom resent the overthrow of the rightful
> government in the 1890's, putting Queen Liliuokalani under house arrest,
in
> her own country. All this promulgated by wealthy foreign (mostly American)
> business interests calling upon US Marines to land on foreign soil
> (Hawaiian). The US broke every one of its treaties with the Hawaiian
> government in this move. The United States had its eye on Hawaii for a
long
> time, and finally, illegally, it got what it wanted.

> http://www.alohaquest.com/arbitration/news_honoluluweekly_010418.htm
> http://www.alohaquest.com/arbitration/news_polynesian_0102.htm
> http://www.pca-cpa.org/RPC/annexure1.htm Cleveland's address to House and
> Senate, December 1893
> http://www.pca-cpa.org/RPC/annexure2.htm US Public Law 103-150, 103rd
> Congress, November 1993
> --
> Capt. Mark Kapono
> Kailua-Kona, HI
> ________________________________
> I'll take the sharp end.