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Morritt's Tortuga on east end.  3 boat dive shop at resort.  Avail 11/29
-12/6/97.  1 bdrm, slps 4.  Double balcony.  2 pools, 1 with swim-up bar.
VERY nice rest, store, etc.  Greta beachfront.  $1000.00.  E-mail

-JimG

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Instructor, College of Computing        LOAD YOUR PROGRAM! I AM YOURSELF!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332         No computer stands in my way

-- Kim

To all reading this (particularly Fishbre):

I do not wish to start another thread on the rec.scuba charter and
spamming; this is a subject that has been beaten to an unrecognizable pulp.
 If you want to play that game, go jump on one of the other never-ending
spam threads.
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Dear Jim,

First, I'd like to say that I wholeheartedly support the current rec.scuba
charter and I applaud the efforts of yourself and the others who take the
time to try to enforce it.  Keep up the good work!

But with respect to this particular e-mail, it seems to be a private party
wishing to sublet a property they either own or are leasing.  If so, then I
see no difference between this post and any other non-spamming post from a
private party trying to sell something (e.g., used scuba gear).  Is my
interpretation incorrect?  Or do you know something about this post that
isn't obvious from the text?

I just don't want to see legitimate posters get discouraged (nor do I want
to give more ammo to the spam-lovers).

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Dive Safe!

Michael Liu
PADI OWSI-89560
PSI Visual Cylinder Inspector # 7131

To reply by e-mail, please remove the ampersand from my address.  (Sorry, I
just can't stand the spam anymore)

US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer / modem / printer meets the
definition of a telephone fax machine.  Sec. 227 (b)(1)(C), it is unlawful
to send any unsolicited adverti***t to such equipment.  Sec.227(b)(3)(C),
a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to
recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each
violation.

*Hey Spambot!  Eat this:




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Nobody makes you read rec.scuba.  Nobody forces you to stay here.  There
are many other scuba forums out there.  If you disagree with the charter
go read one of the others instead.  (since you seem unlikely to
be willing to go beyond complaining and put effort in to changing
the charter)

The charter was voted on by 253 members of rec.scuba to express their
desires for how this group would work.  They chose to be here
and set up guidelines for how they wanted it to work.  Even tho
you claim to have been a reader for 6 years, I do not see your name on
the list of the votes from the regorg.  The discussion and voting
took place over >3 month period.  So it would have been hard to miss.
If you can't be constructive enough to work to change the charter at
least have the courtey not to *** about it since you couldn't be
troubled to vote on it.

Sice you stay here, I have to assume there is something you find valuable
here that you cannot find elsewhere.  If that is the case then have
the decency to support the guidelines that the memebers here have
set forth.

Mike
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*My opinions, not Alcatel's*      [\] NC Diving: http://SportToday.org/
A is A.    Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it.

Easier than shooting fish in a barrel

Mike

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*My opinions, not Alcatel's*      [\] NC Diving: http://www.vnet.com/scuba/
A is A.    Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it.

-- Kim

A while ago you smugly accused me of wanting to argue for the sake of
argument. Given that accusation, what exactly do you call your posting?

If you truly believe your line about ignoring the postings and they will
go away, then you would not continue to respond to Greenlee and others. You
are simply encouraging those who would "just go away."

You need to grow up and accept the charter or WORK TO CHANGE IT.  I know
the operative/offensive word here for you is WORK. It's so much easier for
you to whine and moan.

Livio G. Perla
Living in Florida, residing elsewhere....
"Discoveries are made by not following instructions."
"2nd star on the right, then on until morning"

In response to my posting to her that said:

I am reminded of two lines from a great movie:  First, Conor MacLeod said
to Brenday Wyatt:  "You want? Is all you ever think about is what you
want?" (I may be misquoting slightly.)

Second:  Juan Sanchez Villalobos Ramires says to Conor MacLeod: "You
complain endlessly."

Let me use small words since you seem to have so many comprehension
problems lately. We like the newsgroup the way it is. If you want it
changed, then you must do the work to change it.

Some free clues:

   1. Whining doesn't qualify as work to change the charter.

   2. Disagreeing with someone who is attempting to enforce the charter
doesn't qualify as work to change the charter.

Work to change the charter does qualify as work to change the charter.

Livio G. Perla
Living in Florida, residing elsewhere....
"Discoveries are made by not following instructions."
"2nd star on the right, then on until morning"

Livio G. Perla
Living in Florida, residing elsewhere....
"Discoveries are made by not following instructions."
"2nd star on the right, then on until morning"

-H.W. "Skip" Weldon
 Columbia, SC

I believe the intent of the Charter is to tolerate ONE time "for sale"
type
actions by individuals.  In this case, the unit is for RENT, which means
that it is a potentially recurring adverti***t, not really any
different
than a hotel room, for example.

Does this mean that selling a condo/timeshare/etc is permissable?  
Probably not.  The line also seems to have been drawn between dive
"GEAR"
and property...we wouldn't tolerate someone selling their Ford
Expedition
here just because its good at hauling dive gear.

In any event, wherever the interpretational lines are drawn, it would
belong in the appropriate subgroup if it were permitted.

-hh