For Rent: Grand Cayman

For Rent: Grand Cayman

Post by Debandpe » Mon, 01 Sep 1997 04:00:00


Morritt's Tortuga on east end.  3 boat dive shop at resort.  Avail 11/29
-12/6/97.  1 bdrm, slps 4.  Double balcony.  2 pools, 1 with swim-up bar.
VERY nice rest, store, etc.  Greta beachfront.  $1000.00.  E-mail

 
 
 

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Post by Jim.Green.. » Mon, 01 Sep 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>Morritt's Tortuga on east end.  3 boat dive shop at resort.  Avail 11/29

BOYCOTT CRETINS THAT RUDELY ADVERTISE IN USENET DISCUSSION GROUPS

-JimG

--

Instructor, College of Computing        LOAD YOUR PROGRAM! I AM YOURSELF!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332         No computer stands in my way

 
 
 

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Post by Fishbre3 » Tue, 02 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>BOYCOTT CRETINS THAT RUDELY ADVERTISE IN USENET DISCUSSION GROUPS

>-JimG

Boycott Jim G and his Boycott notes!!!

 
 
 

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Post by Ki » Tue, 02 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:


>>Morritt's Tortuga on east end.  3 boat dive shop at resort.  Avail 11/29
>BOYCOTT CRETINS THAT RUDELY ADVERTISE IN USENET DISCUSSION GROUPS

OH BOY.  More free publicity for the advertisers from the people
who are supposedly "protecting" us from it "for our own good".  As
if we can't ignore posts like that ourselves.  Seems that keep forgetting
that the protests against "Last Temptation of Christ" and "Satanic Verses"
brought them FAR more attention then if the BOYCOTT police just ignored
them.

-- Kim

 
 
 

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Post by Michael Li » Tue, 02 Sep 1997 04:00:00

To all reading this (particularly Fishbre):

I do not wish to start another thread on the rec.scuba charter and
spamming; this is a subject that has been beaten to an unrecognizable pulp.
 If you want to play that game, go jump on one of the other never-ending
spam threads.
---------

Dear Jim,

First, I'd like to say that I wholeheartedly support the current rec.scuba
charter and I applaud the efforts of yourself and the others who take the
time to try to enforce it.  Keep up the good work!

But with respect to this particular e-mail, it seems to be a private party
wishing to sublet a property they either own or are leasing.  If so, then I
see no difference between this post and any other non-spamming post from a
private party trying to sell something (e.g., used scuba gear).  Is my
interpretation incorrect?  Or do you know something about this post that
isn't obvious from the text?

I just don't want to see legitimate posters get discouraged (nor do I want
to give more ammo to the spam-lovers).

--
Dive Safe!

Michael Liu
PADI OWSI-89560
PSI Visual Cylinder Inspector # 7131

To reply by e-mail, please remove the ampersand from my address.  (Sorry, I
just can't stand the spam anymore)

US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer / modem / printer meets the
definition of a telephone fax machine.  Sec. 227 (b)(1)(C), it is unlawful
to send any unsolicited adverti***t to such equipment.  Sec.227(b)(3)(C),
a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to
recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each
violation.

*Hey Spambot!  Eat this:




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Quote:

> >Morritt's Tortuga on east end.  3 boat dive shop at resort.  Avail 11/29

> BOYCOTT CRETINS THAT RUDELY ADVERTISE IN USENET DISCUSSION GROUPS

> -JimG

> --

> Instructor, College of Computing   LOAD YOUR PROGRAM! I AM YOURSELF!
> Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332    No computer stands in my way

 
 
 

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Post by Fishbre3 » Wed, 03 Sep 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>First, I'd like to say that I wholeheartedly support the current rec.scuba
>charter and I applaud the efforts of yourself and the others who take the
>time to try to enforce it.  Keep up the good work!

>But with respect to this particular e-mail, it seems to be a private party
>wishing to sublet a property they either own or are leasing.  If so, then I
>see no difference between this post and any other non-spamming post from a
>private party trying to sell something (e.g., used scuba gear).  Is my
>interpretation incorrect?  Or do you know something about this post that
>isn't obvious from the text?

>I just don't want to see legitimate posters get discouraged (nor do I want
>to give more ammo to the spam-lovers).

>--
>Dive Safe!

>Michael Liu
>PADI OWSI-89560
>PSI Visual Cylinder Inspector # 7131

>To reply by e-mail, please remove the ampersand from my address.  (Sorry, I
>just can't stand the spam anymore)

>US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer / modem / printer meets the
>definition of a telephone fax machine.  Sec. 227 (b)(1)(C), it is unlawful
>to send any unsolicited adverti***t to such equipment.  Sec.227(b)(3)(C),
>a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to
>recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each
>violation.

I agree with your thoughts (I'm sure you're not happy about that . . .)
seriously, what is the difference???  I don't see any.
 
 
 

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Post by Mike Zimmerm » Wed, 03 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>>You need to grow up and accept the charter or WORK TO CHANGE IT.  I know
>>the operative/offensive word here for you is WORK. It's so much easier for
>>you to whine and moan.

>I want YOU and Greenlee and the couple of other lock-stepping folks who
>think they control the list to go ahead and take it moderated.   That is
>what you want, so go ahead and do it.

No Kim, all people want is for the advertisers to respect the charter
by not advertising.  Not so hard. Not too much to ask either.

Nobody makes you read rec.scuba.  Nobody forces you to stay here.  There
are many other scuba forums out there.  If you disagree with the charter
go read one of the others instead.  (since you seem unlikely to
be willing to go beyond complaining and put effort in to changing
the charter)

The charter was voted on by 253 members of rec.scuba to express their
desires for how this group would work.  They chose to be here
and set up guidelines for how they wanted it to work.  Even tho
you claim to have been a reader for 6 years, I do not see your name on
the list of the votes from the regorg.  The discussion and voting
took place over >3 month period.  So it would have been hard to miss.
If you can't be constructive enough to work to change the charter at
least have the courtey not to *** about it since you couldn't be
troubled to vote on it.

Sice you stay here, I have to assume there is something you find valuable
here that you cannot find elsewhere.  If that is the case then have
the decency to support the guidelines that the memebers here have
set forth.

Mike
--

*My opinions, not Alcatel's*      [\] NC Diving: http://SportToday.org/
A is A.    Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it.

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Zimmerm » Wed, 03 Sep 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>Boycott Jim G and his Boycott notes!!!

Again, you promised that you were going to go and form your own group,
are you unable to keep your promises?

Easier than shooting fish in a barrel

Mike

--

*My opinions, not Alcatel's*      [\] NC Diving: http://www.vnet.com/scuba/
A is A.    Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it.

 
 
 

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Post by Ki » Wed, 03 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>>I want YOU and Greenlee and the couple of other lock-stepping folks who
>>think they control the list to go ahead and take it moderated.   That is
>>what you want, so go ahead and do it.
>No Kim, all people want is for the advertisers to respect the charter
>by not advertising.  Not so hard. Not too much to ask either.

And, if a select few see fit to react to what they see as rude and
obnoxious behavior by being rude and obnoxious themselves, they should
just do it openly and take the group moderated.  If that is what they
want, I will certainly vote in favor of it.  But take responsibility for
it.That way they wouldn't be annoyed by people asking for information
about the certifying agencies or dive locations, equipment, or any number
of other things that annoy them.  They seem more annoyed that they are
not in control then in the content of the postings ... so I suggest they
make their positions as moderators of the group OFFICIAL.

-- Kim

 
 
 

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Post by Lper » Wed, 03 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:



>>>Morritt's Tortuga on east end.  3 boat dive shop at resort.  Avail 11/29
>>BOYCOTT CRETINS THAT RUDELY ADVERTISE IN USENET DISCUSSION GROUPS

>OH BOY.  More free publicity for the advertisers from the people
>who are supposedly "protecting" us from it "for our own good".  As
>if we can't ignore posts like that ourselves.  Seems that keep forgetting
>that the protests against "Last Temptation of Christ" and "Satanic Verses"
>brought them FAR more attention then if the BOYCOTT police just ignored
>them.

 Kim

A while ago you smugly accused me of wanting to argue for the sake of
argument. Given that accusation, what exactly do you call your posting?

If you truly believe your line about ignoring the postings and they will
go away, then you would not continue to respond to Greenlee and others. You
are simply encouraging those who would "just go away."

You need to grow up and accept the charter or WORK TO CHANGE IT.  I know
the operative/offensive word here for you is WORK. It's so much easier for
you to whine and moan.

Livio G. Perla
Living in Florida, residing elsewhere....
"Discoveries are made by not following instructions."
"2nd star on the right, then on until morning"

 
 
 

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Post by Lper » Wed, 03 Sep 1997 04:00:00

In response to my posting to her that said:

Quote:
>>You need to grow up and accept the charter or WORK TO CHANGE IT.  I know
>>the operative/offensive word here for you is WORK. It's so much easier for
>>you to whine and moan.


>I want YOU and Greenlee and the couple of other lock-stepping folks who
>think they control the list to go ahead and take it moderated.   That is
>what you want, so go ahead and do it.>

Kim

I am reminded of two lines from a great movie:  First, Conor MacLeod said
to Brenday Wyatt:  "You want? Is all you ever think about is what you
want?" (I may be misquoting slightly.)

Second:  Juan Sanchez Villalobos Ramires says to Conor MacLeod: "You
complain endlessly."

Let me use small words since you seem to have so many comprehension
problems lately. We like the newsgroup the way it is. If you want it
changed, then you must do the work to change it.

Some free clues:

   1. Whining doesn't qualify as work to change the charter.

   2. Disagreeing with someone who is attempting to enforce the charter
doesn't qualify as work to change the charter.

Work to change the charter does qualify as work to change the charter.

Livio G. Perla
Living in Florida, residing elsewhere....
"Discoveries are made by not following instructions."
"2nd star on the right, then on until morning"

 
 
 

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Post by Lper » Wed, 03 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>Morritt's Tortuga on east end.  3 boat dive shop at resort.  Avail 11/29
>-12/6/97.  1 bdrm, slps 4.  Double balcony.  2 pools, 1 with swim-up bar.
>VERY nice rest, store, etc.  Greta beachfront.  $1000.00.  E-mail


Be advised that your posting is in violation of the newsgroup charter. You
are therefore in violation of the AOL terms of service as well. If you post
anothersuch adverti***t, you will be reported to AOL.

Livio G. Perla
Living in Florida, residing elsewhere....
"Discoveries are made by not following instructions."
"2nd star on the right, then on until morning"

 
 
 

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Post by HW » Wed, 03 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>But with respect to this particular e-mail, it seems to be a private party
>wishing to sublet a property they either own or are leasing.  If so, then I
>see no difference between this post and any other non-spamming post from a
>private party trying to sell something (e.g., used scuba gear).  Is my
>interpretation incorrect?  Or do you know something about this post that
>isn't obvious from the text?

Whether acting as an individual, partnership or corporation,
it is still a commercial post.  My understanding (and hope)
is that such posts are unwelcome here.  Real estate, used
scuba gear, whatever.

-H.W. "Skip" Weldon
 Columbia, SC

 
 
 

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Post by H NED Huntzinge » Wed, 03 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> >But with respect to this particular e-mail, it seems to be a private party
> >wishing to sublet a property they either own or are leasing.  If so, then I
> >see no difference between this post and any other non-spamming post from a
> >private party trying to sell something (e.g., used scuba gear).  Is my
> >interpretation incorrect?  Or do you know something about this post that
> >isn't obvious from the text?

> Whether acting as an individual, partnership or corporation,
> it is still a commercial post.  My understanding (and hope)
> is that such posts are unwelcome here.  Real estate, used
> scuba gear, whatever.

Understood - but while the Charter forbids the one, the other is
tolerated.

I believe the intent of the Charter is to tolerate ONE time "for sale"
type
actions by individuals.  In this case, the unit is for RENT, which means
that it is a potentially recurring adverti***t, not really any
different
than a hotel room, for example.

Does this mean that selling a condo/timeshare/etc is permissable?  
Probably not.  The line also seems to have been drawn between dive
"GEAR"
and property...we wouldn't tolerate someone selling their Ford
Expedition
here just because its good at hauling dive gear.

In any event, wherever the interpretational lines are drawn, it would
belong in the appropriate subgroup if it were permitted.

-hh

 
 
 

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Post by Ki » Wed, 03 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>You need to grow up and accept the charter or WORK TO CHANGE IT.  I know
>the operative/offensive word here for you is WORK. It's so much easier for
>you to whine and moan.

I want YOU and Greenlee and the couple of other lock-stepping folks who
think they control the list to go ahead and take it moderated.   That is
what you want, so go ahead and do it.