Chest Strap Exits

Chest Strap Exits

Post by Tim Lai » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00


I had a friend at the drop zone last weekend
tell me about his first reserve ride that
had recently occurred.  Turns out he was
exiting the plane with a group where one of
the jumpers had ahold of his chest strap
during the exit.  They fumbled the exit and
during the process his cutaway handle got
pulled.  Noone saw this of course so he rode
it all the way down until deployment time
and then upon doing so he looked up and saw
he wasn't under his main.  His RSL had
automatically deployed his reserve after the
main came out of the container.  This guy
had only about 25 jumps when this happened
so understandbly, it shook him up a little.

So I am putting this to the group:
1.  Are chest strap exits very common?
2.  Doesn't this seem kind of dangerous    
having someone's hands so close to your
handles during an exit. If the reserve had
been pulled instead, this could have been a
bad situation if it had deployed into the
group of jumpers exiting with him.
3.  Has anyone out there had something like
this happen to them?

I hope this doesn't start a pro-strap exit
and anti-strap exit flame war because I
really don't care who wins.  I'm a newbie
also with only about 50 jumps to my credit.
One of those jumps I let someone exit
holding my chest strap and we fumbled it
also.  Luckily, my handles stayed in tact
but regardless,  my chest strap won't get
touched again I can promise you.

Thanks in advance for the replies!

 
 
 

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Post by Thomas Kerle » Tue, 28 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> exiting the plane with a group where one of
> the jumpers had ahold of his chest strap
> during the exit.  They fumbled the exit and
> during the process his cutaway handle got
> pulled.

  My guess (as a low-timer) would be that the
guy holding onto the strap lost grip with one
hand during the fumble, and then tried to grab
the strap again going for the  wrong part of the
harness. Possible lesson: Just don't grab if
you're not sure what you're grabbing!!
  I have a hard time imagining the cutaway
coming off, by just hitting it, unless you do
something really funky or hit really hard.  

Quote:
> 1.  Are chest strap exits very common?

Popular, I guess, for low-timers, who want to
stay together in small-ways, and not spend
half of the skydive (or all) trying desperately
to come together after freeflying. I had people
on my chest strap on at least half of my non-solo
dives. (I'm the big guy)

Quote:
> 2.  Doesn't this seem kind of dangerous
....
> 3.  Has anyone out there had something like
> this happen to them?

  Once had two guys*** onto my cheststrap.
While I managed to stay more-or-less stable (at
least it seemed to me) they  suddenly  both
flipped under me.  (A little strange ... I was
told that people flipping over is the more common
problem). Anyways when they were banging into my belly
I did get a little nervous about my handles. But
there was never a momement when they touched the
handles (I believe), and even if they had they probably
would not have torn at them  .... unless they'd have
grabbed for them.

 I'll be much more concerned with handles, when doing
a sit-fly-caterpillar, or a rodeo dive, provided I ever
learn these things.

Thomas
A-25590

 
 
 

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Post by GKenn198 » Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:00:00

A friend of mine was doing an exit like that, and the guy holding his
chest strap did accidently pull his reserve handle during exit.  He had a
very long canopy ride and lost his freebag.

Greg Kennedy
C-25431

 
 
 

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Post by Siebren Kerkstr » Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:00:00

Hello Tim,

Sorry you don't write more about the jump (type plane and exit)
but i can tell you about exits from "experience"


Quote:
> So I am putting this to the group:
> 1.  Are chest strap exits very common?

Depending type of plane- and formation- exits, skydivers can use all kind
of grips on straps mainlifts jumpsuits. So it can be, and is common.

Quote:
> 2.  Doesn't this seem kind of dangerous    

It's not dangerous if the skydivers are aware of the risks of a perticual
grip
and takes notice at it, during the exit and what to do if an exit funnels.

Quote:
> 3.  Has anyone out there had something like
> this happen to them?

an opening during an exit (hand deployd) That jumper (legstrappouch) hadn't
enough room in the dooropening.

Most of above problems can be prevented by good door dirtdives and good
positions and grips during an exit. Every type of exit needs practice, so
that everybody is happy of his/hers position during an exit

Blue skies

Siebren Kerkstra
The Netherlands

 
 
 

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Post by Bill Nichol » Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:00:00

1 yes
2 no
3 yes, Eddie pulled his own cutaway on exit once.  He just flew around
looking for someone to give it to.  Keep your eyes open and be careful.

Bill Nichols

 
 
 

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Post by Eric Anders » Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Reserve Ride story snipped

Quote:
>So I am putting this to the group:
>1.  Are chest strap exits very common?

To me they are. I usually use them when I don't want to be widely
seperated on exit. I usually do these from Cessnas, but have
occaisionally done them from Otters, King Airs, etc.  I have also used
any part of the harness that is convenient to the person needing a
grip.
Quote:
>2.  Doesn't this seem kind of dangerous    
>having someone's hands so close to your
>handles during an exit. If the reserve had
>been pulled instead, this could have been a
>bad situation if it had deployed into the
>group of jumpers exiting with him.

It could be. This is why(in my opinion) care should be taken with
dirt-diving, especially with low-timers(and I consider myself to
included here). It takes away some of the confusion when you're at x
altitude and trying to get things together. You just have to be
careful about how, and where, you grab.
Quote:
>3.  Has anyone out there had something like
>this happen to them?

Not to me or anyone I know, but that doesn't mean anything either.
Quote:

>I hope this doesn't start a pro-strap exit
>and anti-strap exit flame war because I
>really don't care who wins.  I'm a newbie
>also with only about 50 jumps to my credit.
>One of those jumps I let someone exit
>holding my chest strap and we fumbled it
>also.  Luckily, my handles stayed in tact
>but regardless,  my chest strap won't get
>touched again I can promise you.

If it starts a war, too bad! You asked a question which will hopefully
make you a more informed skydiver (read safer). I wouldn't worry about
not ever taking a chest grip again. Just be careful about who does it
and where they take the grip. Just make sure that the friction
adapters are in good shape and that the strap is threaded properly.
(Not that I EVER misthreaded a strap and had some observing soul on
the aircraft notice it for me)

Quote:

>Thanks in advance for the replies!
De Nada!


"De Oppresso Liber"
 
 
 

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Post by Colin Fitzmauric » Wed, 29 Jan 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
>I had a friend at the drop zone last weekend
>tell me about his first reserve ride that
>had recently occurred.  Turns out he was
>exiting the plane with a group where one of
>the jumpers had ahold of his chest strap
>during the exit.  They fumbled the exit and
>during the process his cutaway handle got
>pulled.  Noone saw this of course so he rode
>it all the way down until deployment time
>and then upon doing so he looked up and saw
>he wasn't under his main.  His RSL had
>automatically deployed his reserve after the
>main came out of the container.  This guy
>had only about 25 jumps when this happened
>so understandbly, it shook him up a little.

>So I am putting this to the group:
>1.  Are chest strap exits very common?
>2.  Doesn't this seem kind of dangerous    
>having someone's hands so close to your
>handles during an exit. If the reserve had
>been pulled instead, this could have been a
>bad situation if it had deployed into the
>group of jumpers exiting with him.
>3.  Has anyone out there had something like
>this happen to them?

>I hope this doesn't start a pro-strap exit
>and anti-strap exit flame war because I
>really don't care who wins.  I'm a newbie
>also with only about 50 jumps to my credit.
>One of those jumps I let someone exit
>holding my chest strap and we fumbled it
>also.  Luckily, my handles stayed in tact
>but regardless,  my chest strap won't get
>touched again I can promise you.

>Thanks in advance for the replies!

Happened to me once when someone pulled my cutaway pad off the velcro on
exit.  The skydive was going slow enough for me to assess the situation
in freefall, realise that the cable had not cleared the loops and deploy
my main (a little higher than usual!).  Once I was in the harness I
tidied things up and landed normally.

Lessons learned.  Practise your exit.  Look where everyone has grips and
if anyone has the potential to get stuck in the door make sure their
grip is not on or near a handle.

At least I got a beer out of the deal :-)

BSBD
--
Colin Fitzmaurice
The Parachute Centre
Tilstock Airfield
Whitchurch, Shropshire SY13 2HA
United Kingdom

Phone +44 01948 841111

 
 
 

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Post by Kevin O'Connel » Fri, 31 Jan 1997 04:00:00

[snip]

Quote:
> So I am putting this to the group:
> 1.  Are chest strap exits very common?

        Yes

Quote:
> 2.  Doesn't this seem kind of dangerous
> having someone's hands so close to your
> handles during an exit.

        Well, "kind of".  Fairly typically I would check
to see what they are grabbing.

Quote:
> If the reserve had
> been pulled instead, this could have been a
> bad situation if it had deployed into the
> group of jumpers exiting with him.

        Yep.  Of course of all  the exits in the world
done this way.  There are few if any such as you describe.  

Quote:
> 3.  Has anyone out there had something like
> this happen to them?

        Not me.  Lost a couple of hook knives though.

Quote:
> I hope this doesn't start a pro-strap exit
> and anti-strap exit flame war because I
> really don't care who wins.  

        Aw come on, we could use a new one. ;-)

Quote:
> I'm a newbie
> also with only about 50 jumps to my credit.
> One of those jumps I let someone exit
> holding my chest strap and we fumbled it
> also.

        Check to see what they are grabbing.  It is completely
acceptable to beat a hand like a rattle snake if they grab
the wrong thing.  Personally I don't like chest strap grips.
Not for safety, but because they are unnecessary and they
tend to pull people out of position.  A shoulder grip
high up on the shoulder is just as good.  Their only real
purpose is to get those folks in the plane moving quicker,
and they really should be learning to do that on their
own. (Okay, yeah, it slows down those guys out there too
a little, shoulder grips will do that anyway).

Quote:
> Luckily, my handles stayed in tact
> but regardless,  my chest strap won't get
> touched again I can promise you.

        Yeah, right, and the checks in the mail, you're only stopping
for one, and you'll respect me in the morning.  ;-)

        This is the picture I have.  

Jack Jeffries:  Hey Tim, wanna do some 4-way with us?

Tim:  Uh, yeah sure Jack, I got some time.

Jack:  We're gonna pull off this zipper-opal-meaker-donut thing.
You grab here, here, and here and I'm just gonna take one little
hold on your chest strap.

Tim:  Oh no, Jack.  I promised I'ld never let anyone touch my
chest strap.  I guess I'll have to scratch off this 4-way. Thanks
anyway though, maybe when you're doing something else.

Jack:  Well, we were practicing for a Bajillion way this spring,
but it requires a chest strap grip on exit.

Tim:  Oh, well, I guess I can't do that either!

        Am I being mean?  It really is all meant in fun!
Do whatever you think is right Tim.  Don't let ANYONE force
you to do otherwise (unless you meet this guy named Allen.
He's really the devil, don't ever listen to him. You MUST buy
your beer).

                                        Kevin O'Connell

 
 
 

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Post by sk.. » Sun, 02 Feb 1997 04:00:00

I know of a couple people who have been cut away during the exit. If
someone has a grip on your chest strap, they need to know a few things.
One is that the grip is just to get the exit timing perfect; they should
drop the grip right out of the plane. Better yet, just have them pick up
the grip they will really have during the dive; if they think they need
something as solid as the chest strap, it'll probably funnel anyway.

But if they do have it, make sure they take it firmly in the middle, not
near a handle. And now, your part of the job: both people I know who were
cut away on exit had a couple inches of exposed cable above their cut away
pillow! Make sure the cable housings come right down to the pillow so no
more than an inch of cable is exposed.

Blue skies,

Bryan Burke
Danger and Training Advisor at SkyAZ

 
 
 

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Post by MikeRo » Tue, 04 Feb 1997 04:00:00

AFF student wonders...
So what do you do if your cutaway has been pulled (on student
gear with separate reserve and cutaway handles) and you notice?
Of course you want to get the reserve open, and of course the
main is going to fly away if you open it...is it a good idea to
get rid of the main before opening the reserve? Are the risers
from the main going to flap around interfering with the reserve
opening, or will the main itself (in or out of bag) maybe mess
with the reserve's opening?
Thanks for any ideas: (yes, I'll ask JM when I get to the DZ
next week...hoping for good weather and no more sinus cold!)
--Mike Roam
http://members.aol.com/mikeroam

 
 
 

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Post by Allen Roulsto » Tue, 04 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>         Am I being mean?  It really is all meant in fun!
> Do whatever you think is right Tim.  Don't let ANYONE force
> you to do otherwise (unless you meet this guy named Allen.
> He's really the devil, don't ever listen to him. You MUST buy
> your beer).

Gee Kevin, up until here I was enjoying your post... :-)
Regarding beer, you can't possibly get Sleeman's where you are, it is
made in Guelph, Ontario, Canada, and is the official gift to someone
who has performed a first when I am there in person.  It certainly
is NOT a cheap beer.  Only the best FROM the NB(FF)ST.
--  Allen

"Skydiving is acceptable behavior, everything else is questionable."
- Allen Roulston   http://www.inforamp.net/~maxtrack/beer.htm

 
 
 

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Post by Gas Hea » Wed, 05 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I had a friend at the drop zone last weekend
> tell me about his first reserve ride that
> had recently occurred.  Turns out he was
> exiting the plane with a group where one of
> the jumpers had ahold of his chest strap
> during the exit.  They fumbled the exit and
> during the process his cutaway handle got
> pulled.  Noone saw this of course so he rode
> it all the way down until deployment time
> and then upon doing so he looked up and saw
> he wasn't under his main.  His RSL had
> automatically deployed his reserve after the
> main came out of the container.  This guy
> had only about 25 jumps when this happened
> so understandbly, it shook him up a little.

> So I am putting this to the group:
> 1.  Are chest strap exits very common?
> 2.  Doesn't this seem kind of dangerous
> having someone's hands so close to your
> handles during an exit. If the reserve had
> been pulled instead, this could have been a
> bad situation if it had deployed into the
> group of jumpers exiting with him.
> 3.  Has anyone out there had something like
> this happen to them?

> I hope this doesn't start a pro-strap exit
> and anti-strap exit flame war because I
> really don't care who wins.  I'm a newbie
> also with only about 50 jumps to my credit.
> One of those jumps I let someone exit
> holding my chest strap and we fumbled it
> also.  Luckily, my handles stayed in tact
> but regardless,  my chest strap won't get
> touched again I can promise you.

> Thanks in advance for the replies!

The reason chest strap exits funnel is you are only attached to the
other diver at one point, that chest grip, so you are going to spin
either left or right. Use a shoulder grip preferibly two like both
shoulder grips.
 
 
 

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Post by Jonof » Wed, 05 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Just pull the reserve.
Robert Mahaffey Z-Airtime