abother chest strap question

abother chest strap question

Post by zxcv » Fri, 04 Sep 1998 04:00:00


earlier, I asked:
If your chest strap was not attached (for whatever reason) on a basic rig
doing a basic stomach to earth opening would you fall right out of the rig
when the chute opened?

Thanks to all who answered, but what I was really asking was: could you
survive if you did not know the strap was undone?  Assume the strap is
completely unattached, not attached loosely or incorrectly.  Has anyone
eveer jumped like this or spoke to anyone who has?

Thanks again.

 
 
 

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Post by Jeweljum » Fri, 04 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Yes
Allen H. Williams D-8066

 
 
 

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Post by M.A. Loving » Fri, 04 Sep 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
>earlier, I asked:
>If your chest strap was not attached (for whatever reason) on a basic rig
>doing a basic stomach to earth opening would you fall right out of the rig
>when the chute opened?

>Thanks to all who answered, but what I was really asking was: could you
>survive if you did not know the strap was undone?  Assume the strap is
>completely unattached, not attached loosely or incorrectly.  Has anyone
>eveer jumped like this or spoke to anyone who has?

Right after I pull, I cross my arms, so I doubt that an undone chest
strap would do much.  If you keep your arch after you pull, you will
continue on with your freefall and all your friends will think of you
as an idiot...

Regards,

Mark Lovinger

 
 
 

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Post by Gene Dea » Fri, 04 Sep 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
(M.A. Lovinger) writes:
>>Thanks to all who answered, but what I was really asking was: could you
>>survive if you did not know the strap was undone?  Assume the strap is
>>completely unattached, not attached loosely or incorrectly.  Has anyone
>>eveer jumped like this or spoke to anyone who has?

>Right after I pull, I cross my arms, so I doubt that an undone chest
>strap would do much.  If you keep your arch after you pull, you will
>continue on with your freefall and all your friends will think of you
>as an idiot...

Ok....I'll bite, I go directly back into my comfy boxman position right after I
pull. I try to keep as stable as possible, as not to create an "odd" opening
sequence.  It is strange to figure how much of a difference it would make for a
dipped shoulder to create an uncomfortable opening. Needless to say what a head
down, (head lower than the body) opening does.  Just forget to slow down on a
track sometime when you pull, that will open your eyes.
    been there
Gene Dean...the semi-flying, machine
 
 
 

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Post by crwmik » Fri, 04 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


> >earlier, I asked:
> >If your chest strap was not attached (for whatever reason) on a basic rig
> >doing a basic stomach to earth opening would you fall right out of the rig
> >when the chute opened?

> >Thanks to all who answered, but what I was really asking was: could you
> >survive if you did not know the strap was undone?  Assume the strap is
> >completely unattached, not attached loosely or incorrectly.  Has anyone
> >eveer jumped like this or spoke to anyone who has?

> Right after I pull, I cross my arms, so I doubt that an undone chest
> strap would do much.  If you keep your arch after you pull, you will
> continue on with your freefall and all your friends will think of you
> as an idiot...

Personally, I begin sitting up to take opening shock on the leg straps
and am reaching up to have my hands lightly touching the risers during
line stretch.  This has me sitting up, shoulders wide, so that in the
very unlikely event of not having my chest strap connected I will not
fall out of the harness.  I am also ready for an immediate rear riser
turn to avoid a collision with another jumper.  

NOTE:  When approaching head on with another jumper you both rear riser
turn to the RIGHT!

BSBD,

Michael
D-6139

 
 
 

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Post by SKY-.. » Fri, 04 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Thanks to all who answered, but what I was really asking was: could you
> survive if you did not know the strap was undone?  Assume the strap is
> completely unattached, not attached loosely or incorrectly.  Has anyone
> eveer jumped like this or spoke to anyone who has?

Yes on both counts.

But would you really want to test it? Much easier to just secure yourself into
your harness, it ain't rocket science you know!. If you can't manage to do
that properly then you're likely to encounter far greater problems further
down the road!

Clunk click every trip!  ;-)

Blue ones,
Stay Safe.

Martin Evans.

--
"Never confuse movement with action".  Ernest Hemingway

 
 
 

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Post by Skydivecraz » Fri, 04 Sep 1998 04:00:00

well we have already seen what can happen to you on this newgroup. Yes you
can fall out if you do not know your chest strap is undone.  If you know or
have a chute that opens slow, or have a diffrent body position it might not
happen the first time but it can happen.
 
 
 

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Post by Colin Fitzmauric » Fri, 04 Sep 1998 04:00:00



Quote:
>earlier, I asked:
>If your chest strap was not attached (for whatever reason) on a basic rig
>doing a basic stomach to earth opening would you fall right out of the rig
>when the chute opened?

>Thanks to all who answered, but what I was really asking was: could you
>survive if you did not know the strap was undone?  Assume the strap is
>completely unattached, not attached loosely or incorrectly.  Has anyone
>eveer jumped like this or spoke to anyone who has?

>Thanks again.

I did a two way at Headcorn many years ago with someone who has been
known to lurk this NG. When we landed he was swearing and throwing his
fraphat around (any clues yet?). It wuld appear that his chest strap was
undone and he lost his alti on opening.

I'm sure it inspired some of his best paintings :)

BSBD

Colin Fitzmaurice       http://www.tilstock.demon.co.uk
The Parachute Centre
Tilstock Airfield
Whitchurch
Shropshire SY13 2HA
United Kingdom
+44 (0)1948 841111

 
 
 

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Post by juli » Fri, 04 Sep 1998 04:00:00

JUST WHO ARE YOU?????
There may be pending litigation involving the death of the Baton Rouge coed on
July 26th. There are rumors circulating that effect down here.  If you are a
skydiver, go back to 1st jump class with a qualified instructor and review the
material.  If you are a wuffo, or worse yet, get OFF our newsgroup.

I know what a waiver is.
Julie Marie

Quote:

> earlier, I asked:
> If your chest strap was not attached (for whatever reason) on a basic rig
> doing a basic stomach to earth opening would you fall right out of the rig
> when the chute opened?

> Thanks to all who answered, but what I was really asking was: could you
> survive if you did not know the strap was undone?  Assume the strap is
> completely unattached, not attached loosely or incorrectly.  Has anyone
> eveer jumped like this or spoke to anyone who has?

> Thanks again.

 
 
 

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Post by Tony Ingenos » Fri, 04 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> earlier, I asked:
> If your chest strap was not attached (for whatever reason) on a basic rig
> doing a basic stomach to earth opening would you fall right out of the rig
> when the chute opened?

> Thanks to all who answered, but what I was really asking was: could you
> survive if you did not know the strap was undone?  Assume the strap is
> completely unattached, not attached loosely or incorrectly.  Has anyone
> eveer jumped like this or spoke to anyone who has?

> Thanks again.

You'd have to be 100% brain dead to not realize a chest strap was
completely undone -- the thing would be flapping around beating the ***
out of you announcing itself.  Just jumping with a shirt with a collar
not tucked under is pretty bad -- did that once, and only once <ouch>. I
was a real "redneck" that day<g>.

 Tony

 
 
 

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Post by Thomas Kerle » Fri, 04 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> The last time that I reached up to catch my risers, I broke 3 bones in
> my hand.  Real shitty and long story.  Anyways, I don't reach anymore,
> just wait till I'm vertical, and then grab them.

   no quite as dramatic - but i had swollen knuckles and could
   barely move my finger for about three weeks from a bad riser twist.

   but i still go for my risers and at least once had to make
   use of them to avoid a collision. And you wouldn't believe
   it - that was a simple two-way, we just both had snively
   180 openings and when i just settled out i saw the other
   guy coming straight at me. He had a nice line twist and
   looked up and didn't even notice where he was going (although
   he probably couldn't have steered anyways). He saw me only
   when i was already rear risering away - and, yes, i took it
   to the right :^).

   i think i want to continue to try to grab my risers asap even at
   the risk of getting my fingers mangled again.

--
Blue Skies, Thomas D-20874 Muff#2160

http://www.osu.edu/students/skydiving/
http://www.skydiveohio.com/

Some Basic RW-Skills:"... To be more to the point: If you
don't have anything positive to say, then say nothing.
If you cannot come across with good vibes, then keep the
negative things to yourself. Don't spit in the soup that
you'll have to eat later. ..."
Pat Works (The Art of Freefall Relative Work)

 
 
 

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Post by Zllafee » Sat, 05 Sep 1998 04:00:00

gear check on the ground....

gear check before you exit......

get the message?

 
 
 

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Post by RHallif » Sat, 05 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>  If you are a wuffo, or worse yet, get OFF our newsgroup.

This news group is in the public domain for use by either skydivers or
non-skydivers.  Last I knew, the first amendment hasn't been repealed.
.......In my opinion, the question at hand is a legitimate question for public
discussion.

I would like to be able to say that I'm sorry if  ideas offend you, Julie.  But
alas, this is America.  Perhaps you should become accustomed to free speech.

Bob

 
 
 

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Post by Rhonda L » Sat, 05 Sep 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>This news group is in the public domain for use by either skydivers or
>non-skydivers.  Last I knew, the first amendment hasn't been repealed.
>.......In my opinion, the question at hand is a legitimate question for public
>discussion.
>I would like to be able to say that I'm sorry if  ideas offend you, Julie.
But
>alas, this is America.  Perhaps you should become accustomed to free speech.

Bob,

It's possible you missed Julie's point...and her concern.

She noted that there are rumors of pending litigation in connection with the
Louisiana fatality involving an improperly routed chest strap. Her concern
apppears to be that the lawyers have come to r.s looking for information that
might bolster whatever cause of action they've dreamed up.

What we write here isn't evidence, but it does provide clues to interested
parties as to where they might look for additional information.

It's all well and good to think of this as a virtual campfire and open it to
all sorts of discussion, no holds barred...until you remember that ANYONE could
be "listening" and that the "conversation" is archived for future
readers...whoever they might be.

Something to consider.