"SKydive City/Z-Hills" wrote
> If you expect USPA to keep 'up to date' copies of everything at any given
> time, then even that is unrealistic. We are a moving sport, with training
> and license ratings changing, documentation changing almost daily thru the
> good work of committees , instructors and members, and the FAI, FAA, IPC
> just to mention a few. So just drop it.
He did not ask if the USPA kept up to date copies. They do, as they should.
He asked if you kept copies at your DZ for students, and whomever else
wanted one, for free. Do you?
> They produce a good product, if you need the 'latest', then pick up the
> phone and request it instead of ***ing at it. No one is going to
> it to your door and no one is going to produce it daily without some
> outrageous expense, of which you all seem to have a grievance as well.
Yes, it is a good product. Not great by any means, but good. It has already
been produced, probably at less than great expense, and that particular
expense was paid for by US. Not looking for "to my door" delivery, just a
downloadable link to the FULL SIM. This contains information we are REQUIRED
to know, as members. Why must we pay for it twice?
> Does microsoft deliver the latest rpoduct to you for free - no, and you
> sometimes have to get off your ass to go find out what that is. and maybe
> make a phone call or two to find out, don't be so lazy.
Is Micro$oft a not-for-profit company? If it was, and you were a member, and
YOUR money went to research that software, would you be pissed about having
to pay for it, knowing full well it was your money that developed it?
> Organization is not out of control and the fact that we have a manual with
> ongoing revisions is proof that they do actually serve the membership, not
> parlaying against it as you suggest.
OK, could you please quote the EXACT SIM text for me? Remember, this is
information you are EXPECTED to know. You paid to compile this information.
You paid for the computers it was typed into. You paid for the software on
those computers. Hell, you paid the salary of those who typed it into the
computer. Now you have to pay, again, to see what your employee typed into
your program, on your computer, that is plugged into an outlet that you pay
the electric bill on?
> As far as free copies of any documentation, I am not sure what the comment
> means - somehow I am supposed to fill in the gap just because you cannot
> something for free when you think it should be? Would YOU provide the
> with free copies? If not, then you are about as low as I am......
We are not asking for free copies. Copies incur the additional expense of
printing. This should be paid. We are asking for FULL access to the SIM,
which happens to contain the BSRs, also known as our BIBLE. Yes, I would
provide free, DOWNLOADABLE copies to the world. Many students in the past
year have used my personal, downloaded and printed, copy of the 2001 SIM to
study for their liscense exams. Why? Because I was the ONLY one on the DZ
with a current copy. One, I might add, that i would not have had, had I been
forced to pay for it. How can you know if you broke a BSR, if you have no on
site access to what the BSRs even are?
> Don't be surprised if things cost money to produce, that is a fact of
> I am surprised that someone could make such narrow-minded comments,
Yes, Mr. Hayes, things cost money to produce. This one in particular has
been payed for, by us. I will not pay twice for information I am REQUIRED to
Mr. Hayes, what are YOU doing to help prevent the meaningless death of 30000
Reverend James Manny
posted and mailed
> > >certainly I will be the first to resign my membership and ratings, quit
> > >skydiving and develop a plot to assassinate some poor unfortunate over
> > >production of a manual.
> > >30000 children starved to death in the world yesterday and 30000 more
> > >today - and you are 'seething' over a book.
> > >get real
> > If you think Treetop is seething over just a book, then you are clearly
> > unable to see that the book is just one more example, in a long list of
> > examples, of just how far our organization is out of control, and has
> > away from serving the average member.
> > But since it is "just a book" can we assume you provide up to date free
> > copies to jumpers there? No? Didn't think so.
> > Oh, Treetop is as real as anybody I know that posts on the wreck.
> > Tom B