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Post by ndallasjumpe » Sat, 11 May 2002 11:11:11


Had a great time at the new spaceland last weekend for the TSL.  First
time there - really nice place - but unfortunately the attitude seemed
about the same as the old spaceland.

Heard some disturbing rumors/stories while there.  Now that all the
invitations have gone out - seems that some of the well qualified
'other drop zone' locals may have been rejected so that less experienced
spacelanders could participate.  Anybody hear anything else about this??

How about it organizers - any truth to this.  Are you putting us at risk
so that some of your groupies can participate.  How about publishing the
invitation list with number of jumps and largest formation.  Help
dispell the rumors...........

 
 
 

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Post by Rev. Ji » Sun, 12 May 2002 10:02:08


Quote:
> Had a great time at the new spaceland last weekend for the TSL.  First
> time there - really nice place - but unfortunately the attitude seemed
> about the same as the old spaceland.

> Heard some disturbing rumors/stories while there.  Now that all the
> invitations have gone out - seems that some of the well qualified
> 'other drop zone' locals may have been rejected so that less experienced
> spacelanders could participate.  Anybody hear anything else about this??

> How about it organizers - any truth to this.  Are you putting us at risk
> so that some of your groupies can participate.  How about publishing the
> invitation list with number of jumps and largest formation.  Help
> dispell the rumors...........

Hmmm, and just how are these "groupies" supposed to get into larger
formations, when people like you want all high time, high jump, big
formation people on the load? Friggin Skygods.....

At risk? What's your biggest formation? What was the biggest before that?
How about before that one? Do you get my point yet?
--
Blue, Safe Skies,
Rev. (No, I don't hook it) Jim
NCB#398
NHDZ#4
Fancy Lad #16
MikeT's People who care list #69
A-39869
***Remove all GM DZO's from the USPA BOD next election!***

 
 
 

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Post by freeflye » Sat, 11 May 2002 23:32:04

Quote:

> How about it organizers - any truth to this.  Are you putting us at risk
> so that some of your groupies can participate.  How about publishing the
> invitation list with number of jumps and largest formation.  Help
> dispell the rumors...........

Seems to me like you're one of the people that help get this
rumour started.
How 'bout signing your name when you throw out stuff like
this, eh?
(Has it really been that long since we had this discussion
here? Didn't think so)

--
Espen
ALF#1

http://www.freeflyer.no/

 
 
 

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Post by Fortson Rumbl » Sun, 12 May 2002 01:11:29

Every big way I've been on always has some local "low timers" on them.
Normally the organizers know these people and their skill level.

Until you grow a set and post your name I'll assume that you didn't get
invited and are crying wolf, although your used the term "us"

. " Are you putting us at risk

Quote:
> > so that some of your groupies can participate."

If you have facts present them. If you are own the jump and the "groupies"
truly represent a danger I'm sure you would stand down for your on safety.

Fortson Rumble

Quote:



> > Had a great time at the new spaceland last weekend for the TSL.  First
> > time there - really nice place - but unfortunately the attitude seemed
> > about the same as the old spaceland.

> > Heard some disturbing rumors/stories while there.  Now that all the
> > invitations have gone out - seems that some of the well qualified
> > 'other drop zone' locals may have been rejected so that less experienced
> > spacelanders could participate.  Anybody hear anything else about this??

> > How about it organizers - any truth to this.  Are you putting us at risk
> > so that some of your groupies can participate.  How about publishing the
> > invitation list with number of jumps and largest formation.  Help
> > dispell the rumors...........

> Hmmm, and just how are these "groupies" supposed to get into larger
> formations, when people like you want all high time, high jump, big
> formation people on the load? Friggin Skygods.....

> At risk? What's your biggest formation? What was the biggest before that?
> How about before that one? Do you get my point yet?
> --
> Blue, Safe Skies,
> Rev. (No, I don't hook it) Jim
> NCB#398
> NHDZ#4
> Fancy Lad #16
> MikeT's People who care list #69
> A-39869
> ***Remove all GM DZO's from the USPA BOD next election!***

 
 
 

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Post by Greg Bowle » Sun, 12 May 2002 08:25:16



Quote:
> Had a great time at the new spaceland last weekend for the TSL.  First
> time there - really nice place - but unfortunately the attitude seemed
> about the same as the old spaceland.

As a Spaceland-based team jumper (who isn't on the record attempt,) I'm
sorry to hear that you have such issues.

We were happy to see our friends from throughout the state come visit, and
are looking forward to hosting TSL again later in the season.

I'm happy to report that the attitudes of the participants weren't nearly
as bad as yours appears to be.

Greg Bowles
Team Rewind
rewind5.homestead.com

 
 
 

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Post by Unklmild » Tue, 14 May 2002 08:20:37

ndallasjumper:
The big-way business has always been political.  For example, many jumpers from
your dropzone stated their intention to boycott last year's Texas State Record
attempt at Spaceland in order to keep the state record at your DZ.
As a long-time "old" Spaceland visitor and later, regular, and a regular
visitor their now, I can say with some authority that you are absolutely full
of BS.
As an organizer, you have to go with the folks you know.  There was an open
"call" for participants posted on this newsgroup two months ago.  If you didn't
make the invitation list, you may want to ponder why, especially if you didn't
respond to the open invitation.  Perhaps it is that you did not make your
desire to participate known?
Or is it, perhaps, that you are not known to the organizers?  think about it
before you start spreading rumors on this NG, especially anonymously.

Lee McMillian
D-5643

 
 
 

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Post by Jim Alk » Wed, 15 May 2002 06:32:11

Quote:

> ndallasjumper

I have had the privilege of working with Tom Jenkins and Jack Berke
from Deguello on the registration of the 120-way Texas State Record
attempt in June 2002 at Spaceland.

All the captains Tom and Jack, as well as Harry Hopkins, Jim Jenkins,
Richard Whitehill, and Rob Laidlaw have worked very hard to sign up
qualified jumpers for the attempt. In fact, we utilized on-line
registration for the first time in the Texas area and have
applications from all the Texas DZs, as well as Louisiana, Minnesota,
Arkansas, Oklahoma, California and even a few from Northeastern
states.

Safe jumpers with proven RW abilities have been chosen. Their jump
totals range from 9,000+ jumps to 250+. By far the majority of the
approved jumpers have 1,000+ jumps and have jumped with one of the
captains or participated in a 100+ big way event somewhere else. The
few low time jumpers are almost without exception on a 4-way team or
are jumping RW at a captain's home dz every weekend.

All the captains want a safe, successful attempt at the state record.
All participant applications were reviewed by at least two of the
captains, and each jumpers RW performances at his dz were discussed by
the captains.

As of last week we had 158 applications with 131 jumpers being
approved. Steve Boyd of Skydive Spaceland has 2 Casas and 3 Otters
committed to the attempt with a maximum load capacity of 130.

It is unfortunate that not all applications could be approved, but
some jumpers were not qualified (no D license, etc.), some jumpers had
poor RW experiences at their home dz, and a few jumpers were unknown
to the captains or have not particpated in the 40-way practices being
held at Spaceland and Dallas.

To the best of my knowledge there has been no attempt to stack the
attempt with Spaceland jumpers. When Dallas makes their state record
attempt next year or the year after that, all the approved jumpers
from this years attempt will be on the mailing list and most will
probably register.

If you want to participate in 100+ big way events, get to know the
national team members or the load organizers at your dz and do lots of
RW. This is a small community and these people will almost always know
one of the team captains on the big ways. If your local guys feel you
are qualified, they will recommend you to the captains.

Last, register on-line for the big ways. This will make sure you are
included in the database for notification of future events regardless
of which Dz is the sponsor.

FYI: I am not an approved jumper. With 600+ jumps in my first two
years I did not feel qualified for this year's attempt. No hard
feelings on my part, just the facts and my own limitations.

Jim Alkek
D-24349

 
 
 

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Post by ramo » Wed, 15 May 2002 19:53:22

I freefly, but......

what I saw this weekend was Jack Berke and Ton Jenkins organizing
formation loads for what apperared to be just about every RW at the DZ
this weekend.

There were quite a few jumpers which had their first 2 plane ways and
all the jumps I saw had at least 2 points.

politics is politics, but I have never been at a DZ where is was easier
to get on RW jumps, get coached by very good people, and get on big RW
ways.

ramon

Quote:

> Had a great time at the new spaceland last weekend for the TSL.  First
> time there - really nice place - but unfortunately the attitude seemed
> about the same as the old spaceland.

> Heard some disturbing rumors/stories while there.  Now that all the
> invitations have gone out - seems that some of the well qualified
> 'other drop zone' locals may have been rejected so that less experienced
> spacelanders could participate.  Anybody hear anything else about this??

> How about it organizers - any truth to this.  Are you putting us at risk
> so that some of your groupies can participate.  How about publishing the
> invitation list with number of jumps and largest formation.  Help
> dispell the rumors...........

 
 
 

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Post by LMELLONC » Fri, 17 May 2002 08:53:53

So the solution is to jump lots and be friendlier!

Lee McMillian
D-5643