Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Post by Dennis Ordiwa » Fri, 29 Mar 1996 04:00:00


Under the "I can't believe no one has asked this one yet" category:

I am going to do it.  And no one can stop me.  But I would
like to hear from anyone else who has done it.

I am going to get v-brakes, and hook them up to my old
XTR levers (could be any non-v-brake levers) and
see if I die.  If I do, I will be sure to post something
about it to this newsgroup.

Dennis Ordiway    
http://reality.sgi.com/djo_newport

    Stay Hungry

 
 
 

Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Post by Mark Hick » Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Under the "I can't believe no one has asked this one yet" category:

> I am going to do it.  And no one can stop me.  But I would
> like to hear from anyone else who has done it.

> I am going to get v-brakes, and hook them up to my old
> XTR levers (could be any non-v-brake levers) and
> see if I die.  If I do, I will be sure to post something
> about it to this newsgroup.

RIP

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles

 
 
 

Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Post by Tom Wallac » Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> I am going to get v-brakes, and hook them up to my old
> XTR levers (could be any non-v-brake levers) and

I did it (Well, with XT levers, non servo) and
it worked, sorta.  I mean it stopped the bike.
But the feel was wierd.  The tires would just
sorta lock at one point in the mush.  No real
feel = no real control.

I wound up getting the V brake levers after all.
Much happier with them.

But try it and see what you think.  Let us know.

-Tom

 
 
 

Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Post by CyberJ » Sun, 31 Mar 1996 04:00:00

: Under the "I can't believe no one has asked this one yet" category:
:
: I am going to do it.  And no one can stop me.  But I would
: like to hear from anyone else who has done it.
:
: I am going to get v-brakes, and hook them up to my old
: XTR levers (could be any non-v-brake levers) and
: see if I die.  If I do, I will be sure to post something
: about it to this newsgroup.
:
: Dennis Ordiway    
: http://reality.sgi.com/djo_newport
:
:     Stay Hungry

        Yeah.. You do that chief...  hehehe I just saw a bike at the LBS
that had broken seatstays from the V-Brakes being too powerful and the
owner not using V-Brake levers like you're supposed to....  Not to
mention they feel like shit.

-Jay

 
 
 

Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Post by Paul Stims » Mon, 01 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Dennis they work fine.  I run a rear vbrake w/ lx levers ... no problem.

: Under the "I can't believe no one has asked this one yet" category:

: I am going to do it.  And no one can stop me.  But I would
: like to hear from anyone else who has done it.

: I am going to get v-brakes, and hook them up to my old
: XTR levers (could be any non-v-brake levers) and
: see if I die.  If I do, I will be sure to post something
: about it to this newsgroup.

: Dennis Ordiway    
: http://reality.sgi.com/djo_newport

:     Stay Hungry

 
 
 

Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Post by Brian K. Je » Tue, 02 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> Under the "I can't believe no one has asked this one yet" category:

> I am going to do it.  And no one can stop me.  But I would
> like to hear from anyone else who has done it.

> I am going to get v-brakes, and hook them up to my old
> XTR levers (could be any non-v-brake levers) and
> see if I die.  If I do, I will be sure to post something
> about it to this newsgroup.

> Dennis Ordiway
> http://reality.sgi.com/djo_newport

>     Stay Hungry

Has anyone tried the V-brakes/Paul Levers combination?
Some guy at one of my LBS told me that the only non-Shimano
levers that would work would be the Avids and the Reals.
E-mail me if you have any answers.
      Thanks  
             Brian
 
 
 

Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Post by Mark Tortolan » Tue, 02 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Yeah.. You do that chief...  hehehe I just saw a bike at the LBS

Quote:
> that had broken seatstays from the V-Brakes being too powerful and the
> owner not using V-Brake levers like you're supposed to....  Not to
> mention they feel like shit.

> -Jay

Broken seatstays from the brakes being too powerful? I find that quite
hard to believe.

I would be most concerned if my bike had seatstays that could be
broken by the power of my brakes, are you sure this was the cause of
the breakage?

Mark

 
 
 

Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Post by (Kilroy » Tue, 02 Apr 1996 04:00:00


Quote:
>Has anyone tried the V-brakes/Paul Levers combination?
>Some guy at one of my LBS told me that the only non-Shimano
>levers that would work would be the Avids and the Reals.
>E-mail me if you have any answers.
>      Thanks  
>             Brian

I have been using V-Brake (front only)  with Paul levers and so far I
have no complaints; does a great job stopping.  My back brakes are WTB
Rollercam -- no problem too, with Paul levers!
 
 
 

Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Post by Greg Ros » Tue, 02 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> Yeah.. You do that chief...  hehehe I just saw a bike at the LBS
> > that had broken seatstays from the V-Brakes being too powerful and the
> > owner not using V-Brake levers like you're supposed to....  Not to
> > mention they feel like shit.

> > -Jay

> Broken seatstays from the brakes being too powerful? I find that quite
> hard to believe.

> I would be most concerned if my bike had seatstays that could be
> broken by the power of my brakes, are you sure this was the cause of
> the breakage?

> MarkIf you have ever squeezed the lever for the rear brakes, it flexes the

seatstays like nothing else.  I thought that my Zaskar was stiff until I
used the V-brakes.  I think that eventually the stays will brake.

Greg

 
 
 

Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Post by Ed Degag » Thu, 04 Apr 1996 04:00:00



Quote:


>> Yeah.. You do that chief...  hehehe I just saw a bike at the LBS
>> > that had broken seatstays from the V-Brakes being too powerful
and the
>> > owner not using V-Brake levers like you're supposed to....  Not
to
>> > mention they feel like shit.

>> > -Jay

>> Broken seatstays from the brakes being too powerful? I find that
quite
>> hard to believe.

>> I would be most concerned if my bike had seatstays that could be
>> broken by the power of my brakes, are you sure this was the cause
of
>> the breakage?

>> MarkIf you have ever squeezed the lever for the rear brakes, it
flexes the
>seatstays like nothing else.  I thought that my Zaskar was stiff
until I
>used the V-brakes.  I think that eventually the stays will brake.

>Greg

        Why not use a brake brace to solve the problem?  V-Brakes are
different in design than any other brake, to try to use existing brake
levers on the v-brakes is, in my opinion, stupid!  No existing brake
levers are going to work as well as the v-brake levers designed for
the v-brakes, period!  This of course, will change in the very near
future.  Brake lever companies will have V-brake equivelent levers by
the summer.  To use something that just doesn't work with these brakes
is assinine, it takes the performance out of the brakes.  You'd be
better off staying with your current set-up.
        My opinion, use the v-brake levers or wait until the onslaught
of v-brake compatible levers hits the market (very soon).

        Peace,

        Ed D.

 
 
 

Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Post by Bill Lloy » Thu, 04 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

>         Yeah.. You do that chief...  hehehe I just saw a bike at the LBS
> that had broken seatstays from the V-Brakes being too powerful and the
> owner not using V-Brake levers like you're supposed to....  Not to
> mention they feel like shit.

Uh,

The seatstays were not broken because the wrong combination of levers and
brakes were used.  The worst possible thing that could happen from mismatching
levers and brake arms is that the brakes would feel really mushy, or really
firm, or you wouldn't be able to pull enough cable to both be able to
stop the bike and have enough clearance for the wheel to fit between the
brake pads when the brakes were off.

Snapping the seatstays?  No brake can do this to a bike that isn't a
piece of crap.  What you have is a bike that wasn't build very well.  And
I'm willing to bet the bike wasn't all that new and had been fatigued
from some other brakes long before the v-brakes were put on.

Bill

 
 
 

Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Post by Greg Ros » Tue, 02 Apr 1996 04:00:00

Quote:


> Yeah.. You do that chief...  hehehe I just saw a bike at the LBS
> > that had broken seatstays from the V-Brakes being too powerful and the
> > owner not using V-Brake levers like you're supposed to....  Not to
> > mention they feel like shit.

> > -Jay

> Broken seatstays from the brakes being too powerful? I find that quite
> hard to believe.

> I would be most concerned if my bike had seatstays that could be
> broken by the power of my brakes, are you sure this was the cause of
> the breakage?

> MarkIf you have ever squeezed the lever for the rear brakes, it flexes the

seatstays like nothing else.  I thought that my Zaskar was stiff until I
used the V-brakes.  I think that eventually the stays will brake.

Greg

 
 
 

Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Post by Mike Dav » Wed, 03 Apr 1996 04:00:00


Quote:



> >Tektro levers pull 19 mm of cable and cost nothing.

> >Neil W

> Which Tektro levers? I have the RBP-365A levers, Gripshift compatible.
> Will they work? They were very cheap (10 UKpounds). How much cable do
> the Shimano V-brake levers pull?

About 25mm. The cable *** is 42mm from the pivot.

Later,

Mike.

--
Mike Davis

http://SportToday.org/

 
 
 

Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Post by Bob Turin » Thu, 04 Apr 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>> >Tektro levers pull 19 mm of cable and cost nothing.

>> >Neil W

>> Which Tektro levers? I have the RBP-365A levers, Gripshift compatible.
>> Will they work? They were very cheap (10 UKpounds). How much cable do
>> the Shimano V-brake levers pull?

>About 25mm. The cable *** is 42mm from the pivot.

On my Tektro`s, the distance between cable *** and pivot is about
30mm between centres. Does this make a big difference? Is it to do with
leverage? They can pull 24mm of cable.


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Mixing v-brakes w/non-v-brake levers

Post by Mike Dav » Thu, 04 Apr 1996 04:00:00


Quote:



> >> >Tektro levers pull 19 mm of cable and cost nothing.

> >> >Neil W

> >> Which Tektro levers? I have the RBP-365A levers, Gripshift compatible.
> >> Will they work? They were very cheap (10 UKpounds). How much cable do
> >> the Shimano V-brake levers pull?

> >About 25mm. The cable *** is 42mm from the pivot.

> On my Tektro`s, the distance between cable *** and pivot is about
> 30mm between centres. Does this make a big difference? Is it to do with
> leverage? They can pull 24mm of cable.

Let me slightly qualify my earlier statement. V-brakes basically require
25mm of cable to be pulled to work them correctly. While several levers
can pull this much cable, it usually takes the full arc of travel. The
result of this is that the brakes only come on when the brake lever is
right up against the grip. This is not ideal. The ***/pivot distance is
a factor in determining the cable pull. The bigger the distance, the more
cable pulled for a given angular deflection of the lever.

The current wisdom appears to be; Work: V-brake levers, Sort of Work:
Tektro, Real, Avid, Don't Work at All:everything else.

Later,

Mike.

--
Mike Davis

http://SportToday.org/