MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

Post by Dave Weav » Fri, 26 Mar 1993 04:59:00


FWD> From Motorola Corporate Advertising
-----------------------------------------

RACE:  Milan - San Remo (Italy)
*******************************
Max Sciandri, Motorola Cycling Team's sprinter, came very close to
winning Milan-San Remo, the first round in the World Cup
Competition.  He took 3rd place just 8 seconds behind his
compatriot Maurizio Fondriest.  The race ended in a dramatic
finish that involved a mass pile-up just after the riders crossed
the finish line.

Motorola's Lance Armstrong literally exploded the pack 20
kilometers before the finish line when he launched a severe attack
on the climb of the Cipressa.  This attack caused the 150-strong
group to splinter and allowed a 20-man lead group (including
Sciandri) to move clear.

Sciandri had been riding easily at the front of the pack all the
way up the final climb of the Poggio.  His rival Fondriest
launched an attack less than one kilometer from the summit of the
steep climb that Max could not match.  Sciandri chased to within
four seconds of Fondriest but had to finally settle for third
place.  This placement does put Sciandri in 3rd place overall in
the World Cup standings.

Motorola Cycling Team looks set for a good World Cup showing this
year and Jim Ochowicz, General Manager, is waiting with impatience
for Round 2, the Tour of Flanders in Belgium on April 4th.

.. Paul Sherwen reporting

MOTOROLA   Norm Alvis, Frankie Andreu, Lance Armstrong, Andy
RIDERS:    Bishop, Christophe Manin, Max Sciandri, Jan Schur,
           Sean Yates

DATE:      March 20, 1993
EVENT:     Road Race - World Cup Competition Round 1
DISTANCE:  296 kilometers

RESULTS:
1st    Maurizio Fondriest     Lampre     Italy         7 hr 25'37"


22nd   Lance Armstrong        Motorola   USA                 s.t.
87th   Frankie Andreu         Motorola   USA                01'24"
125th  Jan Schur              Motorola   Germany            06'04"
143rd  Norm Alvis             Motorola   USA                 s.t.
159th  Christophe Manin       Motorola   France             08'58"
160th  Sean Yates             Motorola   Great Britain       s.t.
163rd  Andy Bishop            Motorola   USA                16'51"

THE ABOVE PLACEMENTS ARE THE CURRENT WORLD CUP COMPETITION STANDINGS ALSO.

---
Dave Weaver                   |    __o    
Motorola ASIC / Chandler, AZ  |  _`\<,_   Team Strada  

 
 
 

MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

Post by Ozalp Babaog » Sun, 28 Mar 1993 03:35:24


Quote:
>    Max Sciandri, Motorola Cycling Team's sprinter, came very close to
>    winning Milan-San Remo,

>    Motorola's Lance Armstrong literally exploded the pack 20

>    Sciandri had been riding easily at the front of the pack

at the risk of being flamed, let me voice once again my dislike for
the style of these reportings.  what bugs me is the provincial
attitude and all the hype.  given that motorola actually has a
reporter present at the event, i feel it is a shame not to get a more
balanced coverage.  hey, there are teams other than motorola out there
and (despite popular belief) the net extends beyond the USA ;-)

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MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

Post by Curt Simki » Sun, 28 Mar 1993 04:27:15


|>
|> >    Max Sciandri, Motorola Cycling Team's sprinter, came very close to
|> >    winning Milan-San Remo,
|> >    
|> >    Motorola's Lance Armstrong literally exploded the pack 20
|> >
|> >    Sciandri had been riding easily at the front of the pack
|>
|> at the risk of being flamed, let me voice once again my dislike for
|> the style of these reportings.  what bugs me is the provincial
|> attitude and all the hype.  given that motorola actually has a
|> reporter present at the event, i feel it is a shame not to get a more
|> balanced coverage.  hey, there are teams other than motorola out there
|> and (despite popular belief) the net extends beyond the USA ;-)
|>  
|> --

|> University of Bologna, Dept. of Mathematics
|> Piazza di Porta S. Donato, 5                      TEL:    +39 51 354430
|> 40127 Bologna  (ITALY)                            FAX:    +39 51 354490

   No flames from me.  I found it pretty interesting to read the
   "Motorola" report after reading yours.  I think it was, how
   you say, *a little beefed up*.  It's great that they are having
   some good showings and the reporting was probably for a US
   audience.  So you will most likely have to chalk it up to good
   PR for a sponsor (and we have got to keep the sponsors happy!).

   However, keep those reports coming from Italy.

   Thanks,
   Curt


 
 
 

MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

Post by Jarryl B. Ritch » Sun, 28 Mar 1993 07:08:43

Quote:

>at the risk of being flamed, let me voice once again my dislike for
>the style of these reportings.  what bugs me is the provincial
>attitude and all the hype.  given that motorola actually has a
>reporter present at the event, i feel it is a shame not to get a more
>balanced coverage.  hey, there are teams other than motorola out there
>and (despite popular belief) the net extends beyond the USA ;-)

Motorola is putting the stuff out, they are not free press.  They are
paying to know what their riders did and they are disseminating the
information.  I for one appreciate any information that is available,
perhaps the other teams would like to put their information on the net
also.  These reports are intended to keep Motorola informed, and the
company is simply passing them along and dumping them onto the net for
all to read.  I consider it lucky that they are willing to do so.

In Europe, one can get cycling news quite easily.  In the U.S., we have
to take it where we can get it and these reports are great, however onesided.

Thank You Motorola...

jay

 
 
 

MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

Post by Aaron Shtrom » Sun, 28 Mar 1993 07:22:34

Quote:
> >    Max Sciandri, Motorola Cycling Team's sprinter, came very close to
> >    winning Milan-San Remo,

> >    Motorola's Lance Armstrong literally exploded the pack 20

> >    Sciandri had been riding easily at the front of the pack

> at the risk of being flamed, let me voice once again my dislike for
> the style of these reportings.  what bugs me is the provincial
> attitude and all the hype.  given that motorola actually has a
> reporter present at the event, i feel it is a shame not to get a more
> balanced coverage.  hey, there are teams other than motorola out there
> and (despite popular belief) the net extends beyond the USA ;-)

the motorola reports is pure hype and should be taken as such. unfortunately,
this tone permeates much of network and printed media reporting. while
italian press concentrates on italians in the first place, as french do
on french, and spanish are on spanish (judging from pictures, not being
conversant in spanish), american press is the most provincial of all.

i surely subscribe to ozalp's sentiment...

aaron
--

 
 
 

MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

Post by (relgov » Sun, 28 Mar 1993 06:38:15


Quote:


> >    Max Sciandri, Motorola Cycling Team's sprinter, came very close to
> >    winning Milan-San Remo,

> >    Motorola's Lance Armstrong literally exploded the pack 20

> >    Sciandri had been riding easily at the front of the pack

> at the risk of being flamed, let me voice once again my dislike for
> the style of these reportings.  what bugs me is the provincial
> attitude and all the hype.  given that motorola actually has a
> reporter present at the event, i feel it is a shame not to get a more
> balanced coverage.  hey, there are teams other than motorola out there
> and (despite popular belief) the net extends beyond the USA ;-)

Well, flamed you will.  As an employee of Motorola, I can tell you the
source of these postings are from the corporate advertising department,
from which the team is financed.  Paul Sherwen is directly reporting to the
corporate people, so naturally, each posting describes Motorola riders
specifically.  The corporate advertising dept. will forward these results
to anyone at Motorola who wants them.  Some kind hearted soul in Moto had
decided to forward them to the UseNet because we can never get enought
racing news, right?  Just say the word and we'll cut that shit out.


 
 
 

MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

Post by Kentaro Nakamic » Sun, 28 Mar 1993 12:39:59

Quote:
 (relgov) writes:



> > >    Max Sciandri, Motorola Cycling Team's sprinter, came very close to
> > >    winning Milan-San Remo,

> > >    Motorola's Lance Armstrong literally exploded the pack 20

> > >    Sciandri had been riding easily at the front of the pack

> > at the risk of being flamed, let me voice once again my dislike for
> > the style of these reportings.  what bugs me is the provincial
> > attitude and all the hype.  given that motorola actually has a
> > reporter present at the event, i feel it is a shame not to get a more
> > balanced coverage.  hey, there are teams other than motorola out there
> > and (despite popular belief) the net extends beyond the USA ;-)

> Well, flamed you will.  As an employee of Motorola, I can tell you the
> source of these postings are from the corporate advertising department,
> from which the team is financed.  Paul Sherwen is directly reporting to the
> corporate people, so naturally, each posting describes Motorola riders
> specifically.  The corporate advertising dept. will forward these results
> to anyone at Motorola who wants them.  Some kind hearted soul in Moto had
> decided to forward them to the UseNet because we can never get enought
> racing news, right?  Just say the word and we'll cut that shit out.



Before cutting the shit out, why don't we commend Motorola for supporting
cycling and giving Americans a presence in Europe after Seven Eleven
pulled out their sponsorship dollars.  Way to go; I'll be buying Motorola
products.


Western Business School  --  London, Ontario

 
 
 

MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

Post by Yiu Leung Ts » Mon, 29 Mar 1993 00:54:18

Quote:

>  (relgov) writes:




> > > >    Max Sciandri, Motorola Cycling Team's sprinter, came very close to
> > > >    winning Milan-San Remo,

> > > >    Motorola's Lance Armstrong literally exploded the pack 20

> > > >    Sciandri had been riding easily at the front of the pack

> > > at the risk of being flamed, let me voice once again my dislike for
> > > the style of these reportings.  what bugs me is the provincial
> > > attitude and all the hype.  given that motorola actually has a
> > > reporter present at the event, i feel it is a shame not to get a more
> > > balanced coverage.  hey, there are teams other than motorola out there
> > > and (despite popular belief) the net extends beyond the USA ;-)

> > Well, flamed you will.  As an employee of Motorola, I can tell you the
> > source of these postings are from the corporate advertising department,
> > from which the team is financed.  Paul Sherwen is directly reporting to the
> > corporate people, so naturally, each posting describes Motorola riders
> > specifically.  The corporate advertising dept. will forward these results
> > to anyone at Motorola who wants them.  Some kind hearted soul in Moto had
> > decided to forward them to the UseNet because we can never get enought
> > racing news, right?  Just say the word and we'll cut that shit out.


> Before cutting the shit out, why don't we commend Motorola for supporting
> cycling and giving Americans a presence in Europe after Seven Eleven
> pulled out their sponsorship dollars.  Way to go; I'll be buying Motorola
> products.


> Western Business School  --  London, Ontario

Well, I won't go as far as buying Motorola's product, but I do appreciate
their support to pro racing.

Canadian newspaper never report anything (sometimes 2 lines) on European
racing, so I think it's great that someone in Motorola who is kind enough
to send some news through the net.

Will


Western Business School  --  London, Ontario

 
 
 

MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

Post by Glenn W. Ga » Mon, 29 Mar 1993 04:16:25


Quote:

>>  (relgov) writes:




>> > > >    Max Sciandri, Motorola Cycling Team's sprinter, came very close to
>> > > >    winning Milan-San Remo,

>> > > >    Motorola's Lance Armstrong literally exploded the pack 20

>> > > >    Sciandri had been riding easily at the front of the pack

>> > > at the risk of being flamed, let me voice once again my dislike for
>> > > the style of these reportings.  what bugs me is the provincial
>> > > attitude and all the hype.  given that motorola actually has a
>> > > reporter present at the event, i feel it is a shame not to get a more
>> > > balanced coverage.  hey, there are teams other than motorola out there
>> > > and (despite popular belief) the net extends beyond the USA ;-)

>> > Well, flamed you will.  As an employee of Motorola, I can tell you the
>> > source of these postings are from the corporate advertising department,
>> > from which the team is financed.  Paul Sherwen is directly reporting to the
>> > corporate people, so naturally, each posting describes Motorola riders
>> > specifically.  The corporate advertising dept. will forward these results
>> > to anyone at Motorola who wants them.  Some kind hearted soul in Moto had
>> > decided to forward them to the UseNet because we can never get enought
>> > racing news, right?  Just say the word and we'll cut that shit out.


>> Before cutting the shit out, why don't we commend Motorola for supporting
>> cycling and giving Americans a presence in Europe after Seven Eleven
>> pulled out their sponsorship dollars.  Way to go; I'll be buying Motorola
>> products.


>> Western Business School  --  London, Ontario

> Well, I won't go as far as buying Motorola's product, but I do appreciate
> their support to pro racing.

> Canadian newspaper never report anything (sometimes 2 lines) on European
> racing, so I think it's great that someone in Motorola who is kind enough
> to send some news through the net.

     Please allow me to add my support of the Motorola updates.  It is
up to the reader to decide about bias and to sort out the facts for
his or her self.  I am just glad to be able to have the news; we can't
turn on the evening TV report here in NY and get European race results.
     Kudos to Motorola for their sponsorship.  I'm reluctant to go out
and buy their products at the moment, though, as I am employed by a
struggling competitor...

-Glenn

 
 
 

MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

Post by Naruhisa Takashi » Mon, 29 Mar 1993 05:05:40

Maybe you experienced racers can help me on this. I was racing in a
closed circuit race last year, namely the Turkey race at Baltimore,
MD.  The race was held on a road that encircled a Lake.  The course was
about 1.5 mi long, encircling the lake clockwise and flat.

 The field was about 30-40, and the race
was slow enough that everybody was bunched up on the last lap.
I was about 10 riders from the front and riding on the right side of the pack, i.e.
the inside line.  I had about two feet between myself and the curve.  We were
about 200m from the finish and the guys at the front started to sprint.  I was
ready for this, figuring that I would swereve to the right to sprint pass the guy
I was following.

Well, I guess the guy behind me was thinking the same thing, as I moved to the
right taking the last available line, a guy, who had apparently done the same,
yelled out, "Wow!" right behind me.  I was spooked enough to swerve back into
my original position and cosequently I lost all my momentum for the sprint.
A second later,I regrouped and started sprinting but by that time
everyone in front was at top speed and the race was over.

My question is this: Besides the fact that I should have been at the
front, what could I have done better in that situation.  (Not everyone
can be at the front at the same time,right? )  Also, was I at fault
when I cut the guy behind me?  Was I suppose to look back and
make sure there was no one behind me and then move out? ( I assumed no
one was coming because the curve was about two feet away)

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Naru Takashima

p.s. The race was Cat V.

 
 
 

MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

Post by Bruce Hildenbra » Mon, 29 Mar 1993 09:58:05

Quote:

>Well, flamed you will.  As an employee of Motorola, I can tell you the
>source of these postings are from the corporate advertising department,
>from which the team is financed.  Paul Sherwen is directly reporting to the
>corporate people, so naturally, each posting describes Motorola riders
>specifically.  The corporate advertising dept. will forward these results
>to anyone at Motorola who wants them.  Some kind hearted soul in Moto had
>decided to forward them to the UseNet because we can never get enought
>racing news, right?  Just say the word and we'll cut that shit out.

I for one appreciate the Motorola postings and would be sad to see them
go by the wayside.  I haven't heard anybody complain about the hype
Jim Warsa(admittedly) gives about Bart Bowen's results, why should the
Motorola case be any different.

Yes, maybe Paul Sherwen is "padding" the reports a bit, but if it keeps
Motorola in cycling, than I say its worth it.

Don't forget that most computer keyboards have an "n" key, if these
posts upset anybody, they can choose not to read them(or bettter yet,
use a "kill" file).

Happy posting,

Bruce

 
 
 

MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

Post by Roger Marqu » Tue, 30 Mar 1993 07:21:16


Quote:
>      Please allow me to add my support of the Motorola updates.  It is
> up to the reader to decide about bias and to sort out the facts for
> his or her self.  I am just glad to be able to have the news; we can't
> turn on the evening TV report here in NY and get European race results.
>      Kudos to Motorola for their sponsorship.  I'm reluctant to go out
> and buy their products at the moment, though, as I am employed by a
> struggling competitor...
> -Glenn

Glenn,  

Please use the editing feature of your newsposter a little more
judiciously.  We really don't need to reread ('>>>>') the entire body of
the last 4 postings on a subject.

Getting back to the subjet,
If I were a Motorola rep I would keep posting results.  It clearly
generates good publicity.  I don't think that's what is being
discussed here.  The question is whether the Internet, actually
rec.bicycles.racing, is an appropriate forum for advertising.
At a certain point this can backfire.  I think Motorola is testing
that point.

I would ask the marketing department to tone down the team hype a little
reporting more on the _race_ and less on the _team_.   This would
generate good will for Motorola, which they certainly deserve, without
abusing (and cheapening IMHO) this forum for commercial purposes.

Roger Marquis

 
 
 

MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

Post by Willem Boers » Tue, 30 Mar 1993 22:52:55


Quote:

>attitude and all the hype.  given that motorola actually has a
>reporter present at the event, i feel it is a shame not to get a more
>balanced coverage.  hey, there are teams other than motorola out there
>and (despite popular belief) the net extends beyond the USA ;-)

I agree totally with Ozalp, and in fact I did feel the same irritation
(while Sciandri did indeed come very close to winning Milano San Remo,
so did 20 others) but....let's not forget that these are Motorola
sponsor posts and nothing more or less. I would not voice the
opinion that these posts should be omitted. There is almost always
something new in these posts when you read past the unavoidable
boasting. Like Sean Yates finishing 16 minutes behind, while he was
at the front with maybe half an hour to go. What did he do, have a drink
along the seaside?
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MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

Post by j war » Wed, 31 Mar 1993 00:54:25

Quote:
Bruce Hildenbrand writes:


=> I for one appreciate the Motorola postings and would be sad to see them
=> go by the wayside.  I haven't heard anybody complain about the hype
=> Jim Warsa(admittedly) gives about Bart Bowen's results, why should the
=> Motorola case be any different.
=>
=> Bruce

Call it what you will. I call it "increasing awareness". However, Bart has
been getting more press lately (a Velo-News interview, for example).

--
jim warsa
albuquerque

 
 
 

MCT Report: Milan - San Remo

Post by Ozalp Babaog » Tue, 30 Mar 1993 02:52:27



   >

   >
   > >    Max Sciandri, Motorola Cycling Team's sprinter, came very close to
   > >    winning Milan-San Remo,
   > >    
   > >    Motorola's Lance Armstrong literally exploded the pack 20
   > >
   > >    Sciandri had been riding easily at the front of the pack
   >
   > at the risk of being flamed, let me voice once again my dislike for
   > the style of these reportings.  what bugs me is the provincial
   > attitude and all the hype.  given that motorola actually has a
   > reporter present at the event, i feel it is a shame not to get a more
   > balanced coverage.  hey, there are teams other than motorola out there
   > and (despite popular belief) the net extends beyond the USA ;-)
   >

Quote:
>   Well, flamed you will.  As an employee of Motorola, I can tell you the
>   source of these postings are from the corporate advertising department,
>   from which the team is financed.  Paul Sherwen is directly reporting to the
>   corporate people, so naturally, each posting describes Motorola riders
>   specifically.  The corporate advertising dept. will forward these results
>   to anyone at Motorola who wants them.  Some kind hearted soul in Moto had
>   decided to forward them to the UseNet because we can never get enought
>   racing news, right?  Just say the word and we'll cut that shit out.

if you would just read my original article rather than getting all
emotional and chauvinistic, you would see that i am neither criticising
motorola nor advocating that the reports be discontinued.  i commend
motorola for supporting professional cycling, just as commend any
other company/organization that does the same.

the point i am trying to make is this.  here is a company that has
access to the net and is present at most of the major european events
with a reporter of sorts.  if the hype were simply cut in half, the
information contents of the articles would double.  the argument that
it is hard to get pro racing news in the US just adds to my point ---
you could be getting much more european news.

--

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