> > I have a generic Asian pair of wheels with 20 spokes in the rear, and
> > I pulled a spoke through the rim.
> Why did you do that?
To get to the other side.
> > Are there rims that can support a 180 lb ride with 20 spokes, that I
> > can buy as a rim?
> Probably. ?You will need to forgoe either reliabilty or be penalised
> on weight over greater spoke counts.
Same old thing, but I should have been more specific. I was hoping /
expecting deeper rims for stronger spokes might come to the market
since the design principals are well-established on "systems" wheels.
There is really no reason why I can not, for example, buy a Campy Bora
rim and roll my own wheels. I mean some "boutique" wheels did / do
require unusual tools or techniques, but most significant is choosing
the right combination of components (just as all other wheel, except
pulled from smaller sets of parts rather than being 80%
> > There are plenty of wheels built to this spec, but I
> > almost never see rims. I remember there were some 450 to 550-gram
> > wheels in the 30mm depth range...what names (if any) can or should I
> > look for?
> I think that a 450g rim would not provide sufficient rim stiffness for
> reliable running in a 20 spoke wheel. ?Whatever you choose, using
> 2.0mm (14swg) spokes will be preferrential to any lesser spoke.
Run-o-the-mill designs are marginal, but I am a conscientious and
smooth rider. I should have been more clear about looking out for
products or ideas that may have slipped by in the past few years. The
wheels I admire the most are the Campy G3. Some are over-priced, but
the original Eurus was a kick ass design with just ordinary materials.
The "G" should stand for "genius".
> > Another thought was that since these will be asymmetric (even if I did
> > not keep its mate up front, I have at least 5 front wheel in the same
> > size / type, I just never trash front wheels) so it would be cool if I
> > could beef up the rear with something like 50mm, or something in
> > between the 30mm rim I will replace. I will consider hybrid materials
> > too.
> Using either more or a heavier spoke gauge in the rear you can keep
> you rims similar between front and rear. ?You may also like to
> consider whether a bigger tyre is needed, this will go someway to
> protect a delicate wheel.
Good call, I tell people the same thing as I use 25s for all but race
day (which is rare these days). I also run them at 90 psi no problems.
So yeah, you guys are a bit smarter than the average bear(s).
Let me put it this way; are there any new designs or implementations
(strategies, paradigms etc) in getting a bit more performance without
getting in to NASA materials? Are there any new "high value" (reduced
costs) for materials once reserved for NASA?
Mavic and others building wheels that can not even be serviced in the
field (at one end of the spectrum) and at the other end, nothing
really new? Is that the deal?
I do appreciate some of your suggestions, and it is not like I "know-
it-all" (I just don't know what I don't know, you know?) Are there any
rims in the 40MM plus range? You know the American Classic 420 rim,
and the ....(name forgotten...) the other boutique wheels use the same
rim but I have never seen them for sale elsewhere. Is it really
possible that 2 modest American boutique wheelbuilders can hog an
entire niche of a rim that seems like it should own half the market?
At 34 mm deep, the 420 gram rim can be made strong enough for almost
anyone (especialy when you can select spoke count to each
application). It makes no sense to me that this rim, or 1 or more like
it, that this entire niche is not ...not addressed.
Speaking of larger tires (25s are theoretically just under an inch,
and ever since tubulars became so rare...but anyway) are there not
some small builders who recognize width of the rim as being important?
I thought someone was offering a 23mm wide rim for road, in a 400ish
rim? Might have been ZIPP, but I think it was a "ZIPP-like" brand.
So, in summary I was hoping for maybe something like the amclassic.com
420-gram rim (that they only sell in pre-built wheels), or perhaps a
deep asymetrical rim like a cross between a Ritchey or an old
Bontrager (and some Campy etc.), or perhaps a rim with a wider
shoulder, or even a CF alloy hybrid rim that can be purchased as a
Or I can just build the first Mavic, Sun or Velocity rim I can get a
Thanks for the suggestions