Mike Vandeman's "Yodeler" Article, "Don't even leave footprints"

Mike Vandeman's "Yodeler" Article, "Don't even leave footprints"

Post by Mike Vandem » Fri, 18 Aug 2000 09:00:45


Quote:

>Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 8:31 PM

>Subject: August Yodeler cover story

>Dear editors,

>With much interest I read Mike Vandeman's article, "Don't even leave
>footprints".  His essay is bold in its assertations and empathatic in
>its viewpoint.  I applaud the Yodeler and Mr. Vandeman for making me
>rethink many of my assumptions.

>However, I believe that ultimately his advocacy of a human-free
>wilderness is counterproductive to the animals he means to protect.
>One chainsaw scares more critters than a thousand hikers.  One
>bulldozer kills more animals than a thousand bike tires.  One
>open-pit mine is a far larger obstacle to wildlife migration than a
>thousand trails.  These are the issues we should advocate, and unite
>people, not divide them.

>While the Sierra Club can make more "moderate" environmental groups
>seem mainstream, I believe that Mr. Vandeman's position is too
>extreme, and it will serve to polarize people in the middle ground.
>I have seen this firsthand; since at least 1995 Mr. Vandeman has been
>attacking mountain bikers on Usenet for the perceived environmental
>degradation they cause.  Unfortunately, his efforts at education have
>only served to alienate many from the cause of environmental
>protection, as a cursory look at a mountain biking newsgroup will
>show.

>Sincerely yours,

>Matthew Plunkett

In order to understand my article and its recommendations, you have to look
at things from the point of view of the wildlife themselves. In a sense, I
am only passing on THEIR message! To them, ALL human presence is
undesirable. We all know that bulldozers are harmful to wildlife. We don't
need another Yodeler article to convince us of that. But what is less
obvious, and which is the reason for my article, is that we have recently
become aware that activities which seem TO US to be harmless to wildlife,
such as hiking and mountain biking, are not harmless at all. If you read
the same books I have (listed after my article), I suspect that you would
agree with me.

Since those works have been made public for many years, some since 1995,
one wonders why you haven't bothered to read them?! I certainly haven't
been preventing you from educating yourselves! Is it because you got your
feelings hurt? :) Or because you are ***ED to mountain biking (and
heavily invested in it financially), and so have an interest in remaining
ignorant about these matters?!
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://SportToday.org/

 
 
 

Mike Vandeman's "Yodeler" Article, "Don't even leave footprints"

Post by Bubb » Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:59:54

Quote:
> In order to understand my article and its recommendations, you have to
look
> at things from the point of view of the wildlife themselves. In a sense, I
> am only passing on THEIR message!

<snipped some VandeBS>

Oh gawd, Mike you are too freaking funny.  Now you're the self
appointed spokesman for the animal kingdom???

You should change your name to Doolittle . . . it reflects on
your effectiveness and alludes to the fantasy character as
well.  Very apropos to your silly little mission.

Bubba

 
 
 

Mike Vandeman's "Yodeler" Article, "Don't even leave footprints"

Post by Jane » Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Mike, if animals are talking to you, then it's about time to lay off the
medications.



Quote:
> > In order to understand my article and its recommendations, you have to
> look
> > at things from the point of view of the wildlife themselves. In a sense,
I
> > am only passing on THEIR message!
> <snipped some VandeBS>

> Oh gawd, Mike you are too freaking funny.  Now you're the self
> appointed spokesman for the animal kingdom???

> You should change your name to Doolittle . . . it reflects on
> your effectiveness and alludes to the fantasy character as
> well.  Very apropos to your silly little mission.

> Bubba


 
 
 

Mike Vandeman's "Yodeler" Article, "Don't even leave footprints"

Post by Pete » Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:00:00


Quote:
> Mike, if animals are talking to you, then it's about time to lay off the
> medications.

Or up the dosage.

Pete
[trim when replying to the EcoTroll]

 
 
 

Mike Vandeman's "Yodeler" Article, "Don't even leave footprints"

Post by Gene Floy » Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Mike, if animals are talking to you, then it's about time to lay off the
> medications.



Or get back on it if you stopped.
 
 
 

Mike Vandeman's "Yodeler" Article, "Don't even leave footprints"

Post by Mike Vandem » Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:00:00

.> In order to understand my article and its recommendations, you have to
.look
.> at things from the point of view of the wildlife themselves. In a sense, I
.> am only passing on THEIR message!
.<snipped some VandeBS>
.
.Oh gawd, Mike you are too freaking funny.  Now you're the self
.appointed spokesman for the animal kingdom???
.
.You should change your name to Doolittle . . . it reflects on
.your effectiveness and alludes to the fantasy character as
.well.  Very apropos to your silly little mission.

It's not silly to the wildlife. It's a life or death matter.

.Bubba

Appropriate name! :)
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 
 
 

Mike Vandeman's "Yodeler" Article, "Don't even leave footprints"

Post by Mike Vandem » Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:00:00

.Mike, if animals are talking to you, then it's about time to lay off the
.medications.

They are talking to you, too. You, like most humans, just refuse to listen.


.
.

.> > In order to understand my article and its recommendations, you have to
.> look
.> > at things from the point of view of the wildlife themselves. In a sense,
.I
.> > am only passing on THEIR message!
.> <snipped some VandeBS>
.>
.> Oh gawd, Mike you are too freaking funny.  Now you're the self
.> appointed spokesman for the animal kingdom???
.>
.> You should change your name to Doolittle . . . it reflects on
.> your effectiveness and alludes to the fantasy character as
.> well.  Very apropos to your silly little mission.
.>
.> Bubba
.>
.>
.>
.
.

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 
 
 

Mike Vandeman's "Yodeler" Article, "Don't even leave footprints"

Post by greens.. » Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Mike Posted this in ca.environment and sci.environment,
but for some reason he forgot to post it in it favorite
to his favorite news groups.

Since I'm sure all his buddies alt.mountain-bike,
rec.bicycles.soc, rec.backcountry must want to thank
him personally for making these news groups so much more
informative over the last couple of years, I thought I'd
help him out and post it here:


Quote:
>Calling all gardeners, builders, biker riders, walkers, star gazers,
>ecologists, activists, students,
>bird watchers, artists, thinkers, bakers, depavers, poets,
>creek critters, scientists, planners, mothers, fathers,
>lovers, childern, dancers, musicians,
>and the rest of you!

>Ecocity Builders and friends host the First Annual

>EcoDance Party and Consciousness Raising
>Festival at Ashkenaz
>Build Healthy Communities!
>Support the Ecocity Amendment to the General Plan!
>SUNDAY, AUGUST 27th
>7 pm to 11pm
>$10 for the cause please

>with extra groovy tunes by Chemystry Set
>Afro./Folk/Funk/Jazz/Generally danceable fun music
>beer*food*fun*music*information*prizes

>The Garden is the paradise of nature
>and the City is the paradise of culture.
>Or at least they could be...
>Today, both are out of balance.

>If we build the ecocity we will regain
>the Garden and finally aspire to the full
>ideal of the City, the City built with,
>not against, nature.

>Then, when we hold in reverence that which
>we cannot build, which is given to us by
>the Earth herself, we will create not just
>a home for ourselves but a future for all
>who follow.

>Richard Register, Ecocity Berkeley
>North Atlantic Book, Berkeley, 1987

>===
>I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

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Mike Vandeman's "Yodeler" Article, "Don't even leave footprints"

Post by Chris Phillip » Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Mike Posted this in ca.environment and sci.environment,
> but for some reason he forgot to post it in it favorite
> to his favorite news groups.

He must be planing to gas the lot of them to preserve the natal state of
the dance floor.

--
_________________________
Chris Phillipo - Come Ride Our Island.
http://www.ramsays-online.com <-- Canadians can buy bike stuff here.

 
 
 

Mike Vandeman's "Yodeler" Article, "Don't even leave footprints"

Post by Gene Floy » Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Quote:
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mike, I am so glad that you act so stupid. Otherwise people might take you
seriously and then you'd give real environmentalists a bad name.
 
 
 

Mike Vandeman's "Yodeler" Article, "Don't even leave footprints"

Post by samura » Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:00:00

Quote:

> Mike Posted this in ca.environment and sci.environment,
> but for some reason he forgot to post it in it favorite
> to his favorite news groups.

> Since I'm sure all his buddies alt.mountain-bike,
> rec.bicycles.soc, rec.backcountry must want to thank
> him personally for making these news groups so much more
> informative over the last couple of years, I thought I'd
> help him out and post it here:


> >Calling all gardeners, builders, biker riders, walkers, star gazers,
> >ecologists, activists, students,
> >bird watchers, artists, thinkers, bakers, depavers, poets,
> >creek critters, scientists, planners, mothers, fathers,
> >lovers, childern, dancers, musicians,
> >and the rest of you!

But I'm, like, virtually all of those. Why didn't Mike tell me?
I'm beginning to think he's not actually as nice as I thought he was and
he's actually as nutty as a badger.

samuri 'what's a biker rider?'

 
 
 

Mike Vandeman's "Yodeler" Article, "Don't even leave footprints"

Post by bdba.. » Fri, 18 Aug 2000 04:00:00



Quote:
> I'm beginning to think he's not actually as nice as I thought he was
and
> he's actually as nutty as a badger.

What tipped you off?

Blaine

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Mike Vandeman's "Yodeler" Article, "Don't even leave footprints"

Post by samura » Sat, 19 Aug 2000 08:22:03

Quote:



> > I'm beginning to think he's not actually as nice as I thought he was
> and
> > he's actually as nutty as a badger.

> What tipped you off?

It was his lack of replies to mountain biking posts.

samuri 'you know, I don't think he rides a mountain bike at all'