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Segway rescues man from being "isolated in traffic" . . .

Post by Matt O'Tool » Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:53:19



Quote:
> 12 mph is a running speed, not a cycling speed. If I could only do 12
> mph on my bike, I'd ride on the sidewalk too.

12 MPH is a lot faster than you think.  It's actually a pretty brisk cycling
speed for most people.  Maybe not most people in this newsgroup, but most
people.

Quote:
> Well, maybe not. But the impact on the sidewalk of a Segway at full
> speed is roughly that of a heavy person running. We don't tell fast fat
> people to use the streets, do we?

No, but I've been injured pretty well in running collisions, worse than in
any cycling accident.

Quote:
> Besides, from a purely self-interested point of view, keeping Segways on
> the sidewalks keeps them out of the way of cyclists. That's good, right?

Thye $5000 price tag will keep them out of the way of everyone.  I wouldn't
worry about it.

Matt O.

 
 
 

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Post by Just zis Guy, you know » Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:29:43



Quote:
>12 MPH is a lot faster than you think.  It's actually a pretty brisk cycling
>speed for most people.  Maybe not most people in this newsgroup, but most
>people.

True - my 8-year-old averages about 10mph, which is quite creditable
for his age, and "leisurely" club rides are about the same.  I'm told.
Obviously I'm always on the "brisk" ride......

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Post by Jym Dye » Wed, 18 Dec 2002 04:31:02

Quote:
> And Brompton can point out the advantage of their huge
> 16 inch wheels ;)

=v= That's 4 inches too short.
    <_Jym_>

 
 
 

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Post by zeldabe » Wed, 18 Dec 2002 04:51:46

Quote:


> > Did any of you catch this, on the wired.com story about segways?

[(http://wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,56814,00.html)]

Quote:
> > --Brent "Saves the environment by segwaying 0.25 miles to the gym
> > whenever he needs a workout" Hugh

> You didn't mention the other guy in the article who has a two mile a
> day commute.

The guy who wanted to know how many bags of mulch you can carry on a bike?
The guy didn't say what size the bags of mulch were, so *that* question
will have to remain unanswered. But, to be fair, a bike might not be the
ideal mode of transportation if you're carrying lots of large bags of mulch
every day.

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Post by Benjamin Lewi » Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:04:31


Quote:
> The guy who wanted to know how many bags of mulch you can carry on a
> bike?  The guy didn't say what size the bags of mulch were, so *that*
> question will have to remain unanswered. But, to be fair, a bike might
> not be the ideal mode of transportation if you're carrying lots of large
> bags of mulch every day.

With some sort of trailer it would be pretty much ideal, especially for
such a short distance.

--
Benjamin Lewis

On a paper submitted by a physicist colleague:
"This isn't right.  This isn't even wrong."    -- Wolfgang Pauli

 
 
 

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Post by zeldabe » Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:35:56

Quote:


> > The guy who wanted to know how many bags of mulch you can carry on a
> > bike?  The guy didn't say what size the bags of mulch were, so *that*
> > question will have to remain unanswered. But, to be fair, a bike might
> > not be the ideal mode of transportation if you're carrying lots of
> > large bags of mulch every day.

> With some sort of trailer it would be pretty much ideal, especially for
> such a short distance.

My CanCart can carry a little over 100lbs. Figure I could also use
panniers, unless the bags are huge...2 miles, no sweat. There are also much
larger-capacity trailers out there...

Still, my point was that most people don't need to carry bulky cargo on a
daily basis. It's like that often-repeated argument that people need SUVs
because then they'll be able to move washing machines and whatnot. The guy
can't commute 2 miles to work because he can't carry as many bags of mulch
on a bike as he can with his car. It's just silliness. He doesn't want to
bike to work because he wants to drive to work. If I really don't feel like
biking to work, I don't. I just don't see the point in trying to come up
with an excuse like, Oh, now I can't buy *mulch*.

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Post by Steven Scha » Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:50:33


Quote:
> 12 mph is a running speed, not a cycling speed. If I could only do 12
> mph on my bike, I'd ride on the sidewalk too.

Very few runners can do 12 mph, that's a 5 minute mile.
12 mph is faster than the pace of a casual cyclist. Segway's,
Olympic Class runners, and bicycles do not belong on
sidewalks.
 
 
 

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Post by Benjamin Lewi » Wed, 18 Dec 2002 06:21:01


Quote:
> Still, my point was that most people don't need to carry bulky cargo on a
> daily basis. It's like that often-repeated argument that people need SUVs
> because then they'll be able to move washing machines and whatnot.

Not a washing machine, but . . .

http://www.airstream.net/rallies/99-dayton/dayto026.jpg

Quote:
> The guy can't commute 2 miles to work because he can't carry as many bags
> of mulch on a bike as he can with his car. It's just silliness. He
> doesn't want to bike to work because he wants to drive to work.

This is of course the real point.  Why can't people just say "I don't
bicycle because I don't enjoy it"?  (Or, more often, "... because I suspect
I won't enjoy it").

Quote:
> If I really don't feel like biking to work, I don't. I just don't see the
> point in trying to come up with an excuse like, Oh, now I can't buy
> *mulch*.

Perhaps it's because they don't want people to suspect the real reason is
that they're lazy.  They'd prefer to say "I can't because ... " rather than
"I don't want to."

For some people, of course, it *is* more practical to drive.

--
Benjamin Lewis

On a paper submitted by a physicist colleague:
"This isn't right.  This isn't even wrong."    -- Wolfgang Pauli

 
 
 

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Post by Just zis Guy, you know » Wed, 18 Dec 2002 06:35:29



Quote:
>to be fair, a bike might not be the
>ideal mode of transportation if you're carrying lots of large bags of mulch
>every day.

Don't be ridiculous.  Nobody would use a bike for transporting mulch!

They'd use this: http://www.a-v-d.com/stablemate.htm

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Post by Ben Kaufma » Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:29:14

12 MPH is way too fast!!!
Did you know one LA college just passed a law limiting wheelchairs to 4mph.
see
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/12162002_bb_wheelchair.html

Ben


Quote:

>> 12 mph is a running speed, not a cycling speed. If I could only do 12
>> mph on my bike, I'd ride on the sidewalk too.

>Very few runners can do 12 mph, that's a 5 minute mile.
>12 mph is faster than the pace of a casual cyclist. Segway's,
>Olympic Class runners, and bicycles do not belong on
>sidewalks.

 
 
 

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Post by Zoot Kat » Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:54:35


Quote:
>Thye $5000 price tag will keep them out of the way of everyone.  I wouldn't
>worry about it.

>Matt O.

I would like to play polo on 'em.
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Post by Ryan Cousinea » Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:52:35



Quote:


> > 12 mph is a running speed, not a cycling speed. If I could only do 12
> > mph on my bike, I'd ride on the sidewalk too.

> Very few runners can do 12 mph, that's a 5 minute mile.
> 12 mph is faster than the pace of a casual cyclist. Segway's,
> Olympic Class runners, and bicycles do not belong on
> sidewalks.

12 mph is fast as a sustained speed, but even a Segway is not likely to
run at its maximum speed except on a fairly empty sidewalk. No Segway
will be doing 5-minute miles, sidewalk or no.

In practice, a Segway will probably roll at about 5-7 mph on sidewalks
with any pedestrians nearby, assuming non-psychotic operators.

As for this 12 mph thing, I do a 10 km ride in 30 minutes on a good day,
35 on a bad day, including such obstacles as numerous traffic lights,
one or two km of significant grade, and one or two panniers full of
whatever useless ***I am foolishly pack-ratting that day. That's an
_average_ of 20 km/h on a steel touring bike old enough to vote and with
a tailrack carrying a blue lunch pail, pushed by a cyclist with eight
months of commuting and no rides over 30 km recently, if ever.

I go for it, but I'm not that fast. If my top speed was 12 mph (19
km/h), I would probably still be on the sidewalks, and probably not
riding to work.

OTOH, I don't negotiate tight situations top speed, and neither do
Olympic runners, and neither do car drivers, and Segway operators are
likely to continue this trend. I think their riders (disregarding the
basically abusive ones) will treat a Segway as a pair of swift, tireless
legs: no more, no less.

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Post by Ryan Cousinea » Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:46:13



Quote:



> >> 12 mph is a running speed, not a cycling speed. If I could only do 12
> >> mph on my bike, I'd ride on the sidewalk too.

> >Very few runners can do 12 mph, that's a 5 minute mile.
> >12 mph is faster than the pace of a casual cyclist. Segway's,
> >Olympic Class runners, and bicycles do not belong on
> >sidewalks.
> 12 MPH is way too fast!!!
> Did you know one LA college just passed a law limiting wheelchairs to 4mph.
> see
> http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/12162002_bb_wheelchair.html

> Ben

Damn! 4mph is slug speed. I walk faster than that (yes, I know 4mph is a
fast walk).

"It's a safety issue, pure and simple," said Tom Jacobsmeyer, vice
president of administration, who proposed the regulation after seeing a
student nearly hit by a woman "going very fast" in a wheelchair.

How fast is that? I imagine some demonic two-stroke nitro-burning
top-fuel wheelchair hitting 25 mph, crazed crippled pilot laughing
manically and screaming "I am differently abled! Make way, slowpokes!"

Oh, sorry,

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Post by Zoot Kat » Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:07:42

Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:46:13 -0800,

Quote:

>How fast is that? I imagine some demonic two-stroke nitro-burning
>top-fuel wheelchair hitting 25 mph, crazed crippled pilot laughing
>manically and screaming "I am differently abled! Make way, slowpokes!"

Try 72 mph and 0-60 mph in ~9 seconds.
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_415432.html
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zk
 
 
 

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Post by Ryan Cousinea » Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:45:48



Quote:
> Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:46:13 -0800,


> >How fast is that? I imagine some demonic two-stroke nitro-burning
> >top-fuel wheelchair hitting 25 mph, crazed crippled pilot laughing
> >manically and screaming "I am differently abled! Make way, slowpokes!"

> Try 72 mph and 0-60 mph in ~9 seconds.
> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_415432.html

Aiee! But I think there's a different name for a vehicle with three
wheels, disc and drum brakes, and full road lighting. OTOH, it looks
like it might be electric-powered, in which case I _am_ impressed.

For the record, I think 72 mph would qualify as too fast for sidewalks.
But should I ever suffer a paralyzing accident, it gives me something to
look forward to.

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