Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Post by Frank Krygowsk » Sat, 20 Apr 2013 04:16:22



Quote:




> > > > >http://SportToday.org/

> > > > > left hook where I often get traffic entering from the right.

> > > > Sounds like a more leftward position would help both problems. ?But then Oregon's got that mandatory bike lane law...

> > > But then almost everywhere has that "as far right as practicable

> > > law". ?Oregon's mandatory bike lane law amply exempts when "not

> > > practicable".

> > > And (especially in a place like Portland), motorists may expect to see

> > > a bicyclist in a bike lane (and bike lanes should be quite noticeable,

> > > seeing as drivers are supposed to pay attention to paint stripes

> > > they're driving over).

> > > > > More common condition at/near same

> > > > > spot:http://SportToday.org/

> > > > For situations like that, I'd be tempted to use the following accessory: ?A venting schrader valve cap, with a vent hole plus an internal pin. ?You'd remove one of the truck's valve caps,***on the venting valve cap, and ride off as his tire quickly went flat.

> > > > I think this could work in a place with as many cyclists as Portland. ?Those UPS guys have tight schedules. ?They'd soon figure out that it's better to park elsewhere.

> > > Motor vehicle sabotage? ?Man, that sounds really, *really* illegal!

> > Probably vandalism in the eyes of the law.

> Intentional sabotage pure and simple.

OK, you've convinced me! Letting air out of tire is not just
vandalism! It's SABOTAGE!!  TERRORISM!!!  ATTEMPTED ***!!!!  Anyone
letting the air out of another's tire should be TORTURED and HANGED!
DRAWN AND QUARTERED! Anyone even thinking about it should be LOCKED UP
FOR LIFE!

Sheesh.

- Frank Krygowski

 
 
 

Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Post by Dan » Sat, 20 Apr 2013 04:31:56


Quote:





> > > > > >http://SportToday.org/

> > > > > > left hook where I often get traffic entering from the right.

> > > > > Sounds like a more leftward position would help both problems. ?But then Oregon's got that mandatory bike lane law...

> > > > But then almost everywhere has that "as far right as practicable

> > > > law". ?Oregon's mandatory bike lane law amply exempts when "not

> > > > practicable".

> > > > And (especially in a place like Portland), motorists may expect to see

> > > > a bicyclist in a bike lane (and bike lanes should be quite noticeable,

> > > > seeing as drivers are supposed to pay attention to paint stripes

> > > > they're driving over).

> > > > > > More common condition at/near same

> > > > > > spot:http://SportToday.org/

> > > > > For situations like that, I'd be tempted to use the following accessory: ?A venting schrader valve cap, with a vent hole plus an internal pin. ?You'd remove one of the truck's valve caps,***on the venting valve cap, and ride off as his tire quickly went flat.

> > > > > I think this could work in a place with as many cyclists as Portland. ?Those UPS guys have tight schedules. ?They'd soon figure out that it's better to park elsewhere.

> > > > Motor vehicle sabotage? ?Man, that sounds really, *really* illegal!

> > > Probably vandalism in the eyes of the law.

> > Intentional sabotage pure and simple.

> OK, you've convinced me! Letting air out of tire is not just
> vandalism! It's SABOTAGE!! ?TERRORISM!!! ?ATTEMPTED ***!!!! ?Anyone
> letting the air out of another's tire should be TORTURED and HANGED!
> DRAWN AND QUARTERED! Anyone even thinking about it should be LOCKED UP
> FOR LIFE!

> Sheesh.

"spitball"

 
 
 

Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Post by Dan » Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:20:18


Quote:






> > > > > > >http://SportToday.org/

> > > > > > > left hook where I often get traffic entering from the right.

> > > > > > Sounds like a more leftward position would help both problems. ?But then Oregon's got that mandatory bike lane law...

> > > > > But then almost everywhere has that "as far right as practicable

> > > > > law". ?Oregon's mandatory bike lane law amply exempts when "not

> > > > > practicable".

> > > > > And (especially in a place like Portland), motorists may expect to see

> > > > > a bicyclist in a bike lane (and bike lanes should be quite noticeable,

> > > > > seeing as drivers are supposed to pay attention to paint stripes

> > > > > they're driving over).

> > > > > > > More common condition at/near same

> > > > > > > spot:http://SportToday.org/

> > > > > > For situations like that, I'd be tempted to use the following accessory: ?A venting schrader valve cap, with a vent hole plus an internal pin. ?You'd remove one of the truck's valve caps,***on the venting valve cap, and ride off as his tire quickly went flat.

> > > > > > I think this could work in a place with as many cyclists as Portland. ?Those UPS guys have tight schedules. ?They'd soon figure out that it's better to park elsewhere.

> > > > > Motor vehicle sabotage? ?Man, that sounds really, *really* illegal!

> > > > Probably vandalism in the eyes of the law.

> > > Intentional sabotage pure and simple.

> > OK, you've convinced me! Letting air out of tire is not just
> > vandalism! It's SABOTAGE!! ?TERRORISM!!! ?ATTEMPTED ***!!!! ?Anyone
> > letting the air out of another's tire should be TORTURED and HANGED!
> > DRAWN AND QUARTERED! Anyone even thinking about it should be LOCKED UP
> > FOR LIFE!

> > Sheesh.

> "spitball"

Hmm... now that we've undoubtedly triggered some automated monitor
threshold profile and got the FBI and DHS sniffing our posts, they're
gonna think that's some kind of code word :-)

 
 
 

Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Post by J.B.Slocom » Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:44:22

On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:16:22 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski

Quote:






>> > > > >http://SportToday.org/

>> > > > > left hook where I often get traffic entering from the right.

>> > > > Sounds like a more leftward position would help both problems. But then Oregon's got that mandatory bike lane law...

>> > > But then almost everywhere has that "as far right as practicable

>> > > law". Oregon's mandatory bike lane law amply exempts when "not

>> > > practicable".

>> > > And (especially in a place like Portland), motorists may expect to see

>> > > a bicyclist in a bike lane (and bike lanes should be quite noticeable,

>> > > seeing as drivers are supposed to pay attention to paint stripes

>> > > they're driving over).

>> > > > > More common condition at/near same

>> > > > > spot:http://SportToday.org/

>> > > > For situations like that, I'd be tempted to use the following accessory: A venting schrader valve cap, with a vent hole plus an internal pin. You'd remove one of the truck's valve caps,***on the venting valve cap, and ride off as his tire quickly went flat.

>> > > > I think this could work in a place with as many cyclists as Portland. Those UPS guys have tight schedules. They'd soon figure out that it's better to park elsewhere.

>> > > Motor vehicle sabotage? Man, that sounds really, *really* illegal!

>> > Probably vandalism in the eyes of the law.

>> Intentional sabotage pure and simple.

>OK, you've convinced me! Letting air out of tire is not just
>vandalism! It's SABOTAGE!!  TERRORISM!!!  ATTEMPTED ***!!!!  Anyone
>letting the air out of another's tire should be TORTURED and HANGED!
>DRAWN AND QUARTERED! Anyone even thinking about it should be LOCKED UP
>FOR LIFE!

>Sheesh.

>- Frank Krygowski

However; if you let the air out of a blokes tires in, say the parking
lot at WalMart, and he catches you, he may well torture you a bit, or
to use the vernacular, beat hell out of you :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

 
 
 

Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Post by Frank Krygowsk » Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:53:28


Quote:

> the perfect time to write:



> >> 19:25:45 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:




> >>>>>> Even when taking the entire lane, cars may not see you due to visual
> >>>>>> clutter.

> >>>>> For a certain value of "may." If it were likely that a motorist didn't
> >>>>> see me taking the lane due to visual clutter, I'd have been run over
> >>>>> from behind long before now.

> >>>> For certain values of "likely".

> >>>> I recall a couple who were riding the local mountain. ? He was in the
> >>>> middle of the lane, while she was to his left (closest to the edge of
> >>>> the road). ? Quite visible in the middle of the day.

> >>>> A female driver who was allegedly focused on her visual clutter (mobile
> >>>> phone I think), hit him from behind, square in the middle of the bumper.
> >>>> ? ?He went over the car backwards and landed on the road behind - broken
> >>>> but not dead. ? His partner didn't get hit at all.

> >>> Yes, that sometimes (rarely) happens. ?There have also been incidents
> >>> of totally distracted drivers mowing down cyclists who were riding way
> >>> over on highway shoulders. ?Nothing is 100% perfect. ?I just keep in
> >>> mind that such crashes are very, very rare.

> >> And of course, the ONLY solution to such atrocious driving is the
> >> removal of such drivers from the road.
> >> Strangely, regulatory authorities don't seem to be able to recognise
> >> that some people just cannot be trusted to operate dangerous machinery
> >> in a public place, even when they've proved beyond all reasonable
> >> doubt that it is so, and that the original grant of the license was an
> >> error, which the authorities have a clear duty to rectify.

> >As a regular reader of newspapers, the notably horrific
> >crashes are often by a guy with suspended/revoked license
> >after a half dozen drunk driving convictions or some such.

> >Addled texters with earphones are no better.

> >The implication that licensing is an answer is refuted by
> >the evidence on both sides, viz., properly licensed idiots
> >and unlicensed habitual offender idiots.

> >Not that all drivers are out to kill cyclists but licensing
> >hardly separates the various groups.

> The link between the two types you describe is the perception of
> driving a motor vehicle as some kind of right.

> This is perpetuated by zoning/planning laws which allow the kind of
> urban sprawl that makes public transport difficult to run efficiently,
> while putting essential facilities out of reach except by car.

> As a particularly ridiculous example, most hospitals are now on out of
> town sites, which if you are lucky only need one change of bus to
> reach from the population they are supposed to serve.

One local success story fighting that mentality:  Our village has a
library branch, one of (at the time) 18 county library branches.
We're lucky to have an excellent county library system.

Anyway, maybe ten years ago, those of us on the village's bike-ped
committee got word that the library board decided we needed a much
bigger building.  That was because our little branch had the second
highest usage rate in the county.

But since the existing branch was in a tight place next to a creek,
the board was planning to build a new building about five miles away,
between our village and the next rural one, in a former cornfield -
the kind of place most people would reach _only_ by car.

We started spreading the word and campaigning.  Critically, a local
activist who is a very competent architect drew up preliminary plans
showing how a much larger building could fit on the site.  Others
pointed out that the very reason for the high usage is that the
current site is within walking distance of five schools, allowing kids
to visit on their own.  Others in favor of the current site were local
elderly, who walked to the library and preferred not to drive.

The library board had a community meeting, at which they proposed to
allow citizens to speak in favor, or against, moving the library.  The
auditorium had hundreds present, and for over an hour, citizen after
citizen (including me) walked up to the microphone and gave reasons
the library should not be moved. Not one person spoke in favor of a
library in the cornfields.

The board seemed astonished and cowed.  They said "Well, the voice of
the people is clear.  We'll try to keep the library where it is."  And
indeed, they did.  And we have a gorgeous library building on the same
site, one that's now a prime gathering place for kids of all ages,
toddlers to college age.  Not to mention us old guys!

- Frank Krygowski

 
 
 

Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Post by Dan » Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:48:55


Quote:


> > the perfect time to write:



> > >> 19:25:45 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:




> > >>>>>> Even when taking the entire lane, cars may not see you due to visual
> > >>>>>> clutter.

> > >>>>> For a certain value of "may." If it were likely that a motorist didn't
> > >>>>> see me taking the lane due to visual clutter, I'd have been run over
> > >>>>> from behind long before now.

> > >>>> For certain values of "likely".

> > >>>> I recall a couple who were riding the local mountain. ? He was in the
> > >>>> middle of the lane, while she was to his left (closest to the edge of
> > >>>> the road). ? Quite visible in the middle of the day.

> > >>>> A female driver who was allegedly focused on her visual clutter (mobile
> > >>>> phone I think), hit him from behind, square in the middle of the bumper.
> > >>>> ?  He went over the car backwards and landed on the road behind - broken
> > >>>> but not dead. ? His partner didn't get hit at all.

> > >>> Yes, that sometimes (rarely) happens.  There have also been incidents
> > >>> of totally distracted drivers mowing down cyclists who were riding way
> > >>> over on highway shoulders.  Nothing is 100% perfect.  I just keep in
> > >>> mind that such crashes are very, very rare.

> > >> And of course, the ONLY solution to such atrocious driving is the
> > >> removal of such drivers from the road.
> > >> Strangely, regulatory authorities don't seem to be able to recognise
> > >> that some people just cannot be trusted to operate dangerous machinery
> > >> in a public place, even when they've proved beyond all reasonable
> > >> doubt that it is so, and that the original grant of the license was an
> > >> error, which the authorities have a clear duty to rectify.

> > >As a regular reader of newspapers, the notably horrific
> > >crashes are often by a guy with suspended/revoked license
> > >after a half dozen drunk driving convictions or some such.

> > >Addled texters with earphones are no better.

> > >The implication that licensing is an answer is refuted by
> > >the evidence on both sides, viz., properly licensed idiots
> > >and unlicensed habitual offender idiots.

> > >Not that all drivers are out to kill cyclists but licensing
> > >hardly separates the various groups.

> > The link between the two types you describe is the perception of
> > driving a motor vehicle as some kind of right.

> > This is perpetuated by zoning/planning laws which allow the kind of
> > urban sprawl that makes public transport difficult to run efficiently,
> > while putting essential facilities out of reach except by car.

> > As a particularly ridiculous example, most hospitals are now on out of
> > town sites, which if you are lucky only need one change of bus to
> > reach from the population they are supposed to serve.

> One local success story fighting that mentality:  Our village has a
> library branch, one of (at the time) 18 county library branches.
> We're lucky to have an excellent county library system.

> Anyway, maybe ten years ago, those of us on the village's bike-ped
> committee got word that the library board decided we needed a much
> bigger building.  That was because our little branch had the second
> highest usage rate in the county.

> But since the existing branch was in a tight place next to a creek,
> the board was planning to build a new building about five miles away,
> between our village and the next rural one, in a former cornfield -
> the kind of place most people would reach _only_ by car.

> We started spreading the word and campaigning.  Critically, a local
> activist who is a very competent architect drew up preliminary plans
> showing how a much larger building could fit on the site.  Others
> pointed out that the very reason for the high usage is that the
> current site is within walking distance of five schools, allowing kids
> to visit on their own.  Others in favor of the current site were local
> elderly, who walked to the library and preferred not to drive.

> The library board had a community meeting, at which they proposed to
> allow citizens to speak in favor, or against, moving the library.  The
> auditorium had hundreds present, and for over an hour, citizen after
> citizen (including me) walked up to the microphone and gave reasons
> the library should not be moved. Not one person spoke in favor of a
> library in the cornfields.

> The board seemed astonished and cowed.  They said "Well, the voice of
> the people is clear.  We'll try to keep the library where it is."  And
> indeed, they did.  And we have a gorgeous library building on the same
> site, one that's now a prime gathering place for kids of all ages,
> toddlers to college age.  Not to mention us old guys!

I'm glad you got to keep your neighborhood library - upgraded, even;
and I'm glad it's so popular and well utilized.

Have to wonder, though, if ten years on, the "cornfields" are still
cornfields, or if new development is now *without* a neighborhood
library - and the larger area without many titles on the shelf.

Five miles - gasp!  (I shouldn't talk, though, as our library is five
blocks from my house.)  OTOH, that and a little infrastructure might
be just the inducement for bicycle transportation.

 
 
 

Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Post by Frank Krygowsk » Sat, 20 Apr 2013 12:15:36


Quote:

> However; if you let the air out of a blokes tires in, say the parking
> lot at WalMart, and he catches you, he may well torture you a bit, or
> to use the vernacular, beat hell out of you :-)

That's true, I suppose.  And if he identified you as a cyclist, he
might take it out on other cyclists.

One of my uncles was a very hotheaded guy.  He told the story of
waiting for a person to leave a plaza parking place so he could park
his car, but having another guy speed into the spot before he could
pull in.  He yelled at the guy and got an *** gesture in return.

So he parked elsewhere in the plaza lot, walked into the hardware
store and asked for a valve core remover.  The clerk said "Right here.
They're two for a dollar."  My uncle said "I only need one."

He walked back out, removed all four of the guy's valve cores, and
drove away.

- Frank Krygowski

 
 
 

Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Post by Frank Krygowsk » Sat, 20 Apr 2013 12:18:29


Quote:

> I'm glad you got to keep your neighborhood library - upgraded, even;
> and I'm glad it's so popular and well utilized.

> Have to wonder, though, if ten years on, the "cornfields" are still
> cornfields, or if new development is now *without* a neighborhood
> library - and the larger area without many titles on the shelf.

Those cornfields are still cornfields.  And that next town still has
its library branch.

Quote:

> Five miles - gasp!

Five miles is a long way for a grade school kid.

- Frank Krygowski

 
 
 

Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Post by J.B.Slocom » Sat, 20 Apr 2013 20:24:21

On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:53:28 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski

Quote:



>> the perfect time to write:



>> >> 19:25:45 -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:




>> >>>>>> Even when taking the entire lane, cars may not see you due to visual
>> >>>>>> clutter.

>> >>>>> For a certain value of "may." If it were likely that a motorist didn't
>> >>>>> see me taking the lane due to visual clutter, I'd have been run over
>> >>>>> from behind long before now.

>> >>>> For certain values of "likely".

>> >>>> I recall a couple who were riding the local mountain. He was in the
>> >>>> middle of the lane, while she was to his left (closest to the edge of
>> >>>> the road). Quite visible in the middle of the day.

>> >>>> A female driver who was allegedly focused on her visual clutter (mobile
>> >>>> phone I think), hit him from behind, square in the middle of the bumper.
>> >>>> He went over the car backwards and landed on the road behind - broken
>> >>>> but not dead. His partner didn't get hit at all.

>> >>> Yes, that sometimes (rarely) happens. There have also been incidents
>> >>> of totally distracted drivers mowing down cyclists who were riding way
>> >>> over on highway shoulders. Nothing is 100% perfect. I just keep in
>> >>> mind that such crashes are very, very rare.

>> >> And of course, the ONLY solution to such atrocious driving is the
>> >> removal of such drivers from the road.
>> >> Strangely, regulatory authorities don't seem to be able to recognise
>> >> that some people just cannot be trusted to operate dangerous machinery
>> >> in a public place, even when they've proved beyond all reasonable
>> >> doubt that it is so, and that the original grant of the license was an
>> >> error, which the authorities have a clear duty to rectify.

>> >As a regular reader of newspapers, the notably horrific
>> >crashes are often by a guy with suspended/revoked license
>> >after a half dozen drunk driving convictions or some such.

>> >Addled texters with earphones are no better.

>> >The implication that licensing is an answer is refuted by
>> >the evidence on both sides, viz., properly licensed idiots
>> >and unlicensed habitual offender idiots.

>> >Not that all drivers are out to kill cyclists but licensing
>> >hardly separates the various groups.

>> The link between the two types you describe is the perception of
>> driving a motor vehicle as some kind of right.

>> This is perpetuated by zoning/planning laws which allow the kind of
>> urban sprawl that makes public transport difficult to run efficiently,
>> while putting essential facilities out of reach except by car.

>> As a particularly ridiculous example, most hospitals are now on out of
>> town sites, which if you are lucky only need one change of bus to
>> reach from the population they are supposed to serve.

>One local success story fighting that mentality:  Our village has a
>library branch, one of (at the time) 18 county library branches.
>We're lucky to have an excellent county library system.

>Anyway, maybe ten years ago, those of us on the village's bike-ped
>committee got word that the library board decided we needed a much
>bigger building.  That was because our little branch had the second
>highest usage rate in the county.

>But since the existing branch was in a tight place next to a creek,
>the board was planning to build a new building about five miles away,
>between our village and the next rural one, in a former cornfield -
>the kind of place most people would reach _only_ by car.

>We started spreading the word and campaigning.  Critically, a local
>activist who is a very competent architect drew up preliminary plans
>showing how a much larger building could fit on the site.  Others
>pointed out that the very reason for the high usage is that the
>current site is within walking distance of five schools, allowing kids
>to visit on their own.  Others in favor of the current site were local
>elderly, who walked to the library and preferred not to drive.

>The library board had a community meeting, at which they proposed to
>allow citizens to speak in favor, or against, moving the library.  The
>auditorium had hundreds present, and for over an hour, citizen after
>citizen (including me) walked up to the microphone and gave reasons
>the library should not be moved. Not one person spoke in favor of a
>library in the cornfields.

>The board seemed astonished and cowed.  They said "Well, the voice of
>the people is clear.  We'll try to keep the library where it is."  And
>indeed, they did.  And we have a gorgeous library building on the same
>site, one that's now a prime gathering place for kids of all ages,
>toddlers to college age.  Not to mention us old guys!

>- Frank Krygowski

Ayup, democracy in practice.
--
Cheers,

John B.

 
 
 

Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Post by J.B.Slocom » Sat, 20 Apr 2013 20:43:15

On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:15:36 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski

Quote:


>> However; if you let the air out of a blokes tires in, say the parking
>> lot at WalMart, and he catches you, he may well torture you a bit, or
>> to use the vernacular, beat hell out of you :-)

>That's true, I suppose.  And if he identified you as a cyclist, he
>might take it out on other cyclists.

>One of my uncles was a very hotheaded guy.  He told the story of
>waiting for a person to leave a plaza parking place so he could park
>his car, but having another guy speed into the spot before he could
>pull in.  He yelled at the guy and got an *** gesture in return.

>So he parked elsewhere in the plaza lot, walked into the hardware
>store and asked for a valve core remover.  The clerk said "Right here.
>They're two for a dollar."  My uncle said "I only need one."

>He walked back out, removed all four of the guy's valve cores, and
>drove away.

>- Frank Krygowski

All this vigilantly stuff sounds like fun but then you have cases like
the independent truckers in Maine some years ago. The Teamsters came
to town to organize these poor downtrodden slaves.

But these independent Maniac truckers could count and they figured out
that if truck rates went up the potato farmers would make less money
and if any of the farmers went bust that meant fewer trucks would be
needed so they declined the Teamsters enticements.

Well, everyone knows that the Teamsters are not just pretty faces and
fifth wheel latches suddenly started coming lose and Truckers were
dropping trailers. Pull in to have pie and coffee and when you come
out and try to drive off the loaded trailer falls on the ground. It
tends to ruin your whole day :-(

The result was that the Truckers started carrying their deer rifles in
the cab and it is alleged that shots were fired at some truck stops.

The Teamsters went back to New York and the Maine Truckers are
undoubtedly still doing just as they damn please :-)

 I can just imagine the laments if some guy wearing purple stretch
panties is hunched over somebody's brand new mag wheel and the owner
is one of those guys that has a license to carry a gun.

--
Cheers,

John B.

 
 
 

Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Post by Dan » Sat, 20 Apr 2013 23:44:26


Quote:
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:15:36 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski



> >> However; if you let the air out of a blokes tires in, say the parking
> >> lot at WalMart, and he catches you, he may well torture you a bit, or
> >> to use the vernacular, beat hell out of you :-)

> >That's true, I suppose.  And if he identified you as a cyclist, he
> >might take it out on other cyclists.

> >One of my uncles was a very hotheaded guy.  He told the story of
> >waiting for a person to leave a plaza parking place so he could park
> >his car, but having another guy speed into the spot before he could
> >pull in.  He yelled at the guy and got an *** gesture in return.

> >So he parked elsewhere in the plaza lot, walked into the hardware
> >store and asked for a valve core remover.  The clerk said "Right here.
> >They're two for a dollar."  My uncle said "I only need one."

> >He walked back out, removed all four of the guy's valve cores, and
> >drove away.

> >- Frank Krygowski

> All this vigilantly stuff sounds like fun but then you have cases like
> the independent truckers in Maine some years ago. The Teamsters came
> to town to organize these poor downtrodden slaves.

> But these independent Maniac truckers could count and they figured out
> that if truck rates went up the potato farmers would make less money
> and if any of the farmers went bust that meant fewer trucks would be
> needed so they declined the Teamsters enticements.

> Well, everyone knows that the Teamsters are not just pretty faces and
> fifth wheel latches suddenly started coming lose and Truckers were
> dropping trailers. Pull in to have pie and coffee and when you come
> out and try to drive off the loaded trailer falls on the ground. It
> tends to ruin your whole day :-(

> The result was that the Truckers started carrying their deer rifles in
> the cab and it is alleged that shots were fired at some truck stops.

> The Teamsters went back to New York and the Maine Truckers are
> undoubtedly still doing just as they damn please :-)

>  I can just imagine the laments if some guy wearing purple stretch
> panties is hunched over somebody's brand new mag wheel and the owner
> is one of those guys that has a license to carry a gun.

Just as Marty McFly going back and forth past to future changing
things around sends ripples that change everything else, merely
disabling a truck leads to a different future than otherwise.

Who knows, maybe if spitball Frank hadn't come along and mischievously
delfated a tire, that truck would otherwise have pulled out from the
curb, driven down the road, and run over some little kid who would
have grown up to save the world (or destroy it... or just hurt
somebody else... ) - who knows.  Nobody knows.

But Frank is very big on statistically this and statistically that -
playing the probability that leads to the most sound outcome.  And
while revenge may be personally satisfying, it's not going to make UPS
drivers park somewhere more responsibly and farther away.

If you're going to take destiny into your own hands, you'd better
control the paramters pretty completely.  *Initiating* the sabotage
and then quickly riding away leaving things in an unknown state is the
height of thoughtless irresponsibility (even for a mere vandal /
spitball saboteur).  Accidents are bound to happen as a result.
Innocent people are going to be hurt (as a result).

Sure, maybe it goes off without a hitch and the driver comes back and
his day is ruined for a while (and maybe he was alreayd on the edge
and now is out of a job and takes up drinking heavily and beats his
kids and... or maybe not).  But OTOH maybe a bit of something inside
the tire comes up and plugs his "device" before the tire goes
completely flat and the driver hips in the truck and speeds down the
road toward...

Things have gone really nuts these days what with every kid who says
he's going to blow up the school being taken seriously, etc.  (The
need is not to treat every threat as serious with zero tolerance and
all that; the need is to be in touch with and there for the kids'
underlying needs in the first place, which society currently is not.)
Of course I know Frank wouldn't *really* pull it off - just
fantasizing - and it's a far cry from Spike Bike, but in a way, at
least Spike is up front with his bullshit.

My wheelies and sidewalk hopping and stop sign blowing may not be the
best mark I could leave on the world, but I undertake all this with
some consideration - and regularly restrain myself to one degree or
another.  And in a way, maybe introducing a little chaos - or just
reminding people that it's there and ultimately rules anyway - is just
what's needed.

 
 
 

Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Post by Frank Krygowsk » Sun, 21 Apr 2013 02:36:00


Quote:

> > On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:15:36 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski



> > >> However; if you let the air out of a blokes tires in, say the parking
> > >> lot at WalMart, and he catches you, he may well torture you a bit, or
> > >> to use the vernacular, beat hell out of you :-)

> > >That's true, I suppose. ?And if he identified you as a cyclist, he
> > >might take it out on other cyclists.

> > >One of my uncles was a very hotheaded guy. ?He told the story of
> > >waiting for a person to leave a plaza parking place so he could park
> > >his car, but having another guy speed into the spot before he could
> > >pull in. ?He yelled at the guy and got an *** gesture in return.

> > >So he parked elsewhere in the plaza lot, walked into the hardware
> > >store and asked for a valve core remover. ?The clerk said "Right here.
> > >They're two for a dollar." ?My uncle said "I only need one."

> > >He walked back out, removed all four of the guy's valve cores, and
> > >drove away.

> > >- Frank Krygowski

> > All this vigilantly stuff sounds like fun but then you have cases like
> > the independent truckers in Maine some years ago. The Teamsters came
> > to town to organize these poor downtrodden slaves.

> > But these independent Maniac truckers could count and they figured out
> > that if truck rates went up the potato farmers would make less money
> > and if any of the farmers went bust that meant fewer trucks would be
> > needed so they declined the Teamsters enticements.

> > Well, everyone knows that the Teamsters are not just pretty faces and
> > fifth wheel latches suddenly started coming lose and Truckers were
> > dropping trailers. Pull in to have pie and coffee and when you come
> > out and try to drive off the loaded trailer falls on the ground. It
> > tends to ruin your whole day :-(

> > The result was that the Truckers started carrying their deer rifles in
> > the cab and it is alleged that shots were fired at some truck stops.

> > The Teamsters went back to New York and the Maine Truckers are
> > undoubtedly still doing just as they damn please :-)

> > ?I can just imagine the laments if some guy wearing purple stretch
> > panties is hunched over somebody's brand new mag wheel and the owner
> > is one of those guys that has a license to carry a gun.

> Just as Marty McFly going back and forth past to future changing
> things around sends ripples that change everything else, merely
> disabling a truck leads to a different future than otherwise.

> Who knows, maybe if spitball Frank hadn't come along and mischievously
> delfated a tire, that truck would otherwise have pulled out from the
> curb, driven down the road, and run over some little kid who would
> have grown up to save the world (or destroy it... or just hurt
> somebody else... ) - who knows. ?Nobody knows.

> But Frank is very big on statistically this and statistically that -
> playing the probability that leads to the most sound outcome. ?And
> while revenge may be personally satisfying, it's not going to make UPS
> drivers park somewhere more responsibly and farther away.

> If you're going to take destiny into your own hands, you'd better
> control the paramters pretty completely. ?*Initiating* the sabotage
> and then quickly riding away leaving things in an unknown state is the
> height of thoughtless irresponsibility (even for a mere vandal /
> spitball saboteur). ?Accidents are bound to happen as a result.
> Innocent people are going to be hurt (as a result).

> Sure, maybe it goes off without a hitch and the driver comes back and
> his day is ruined for a while (and maybe he was alreayd on the edge
> and now is out of a job and takes up drinking heavily and beats his
> kids and... or maybe not). ?But OTOH maybe a bit of something inside
> the tire comes up and plugs his "device" before the tire goes
> completely flat and the driver hips in the truck and speeds down the
> road toward...

> Things have gone really nuts these days what with every kid who says
> he's going to blow up the school being taken seriously, etc. ?(The
> need is not to treat every threat as serious with zero tolerance and
> all that; the need is to be in touch with and there for the kids'
> underlying needs in the first place, which society currently is not.)
> Of course I know Frank wouldn't *really* pull it off - just
> fantasizing - and it's a far cry from Spike Bike, but in a way, at
> least Spike is up front with his bullshit.

I think those with good reading skills could tell I wasn't actually
planning to let the air out of UPS truck tires, Dan.

Or to put it another way:  While your logic was hardly impressive,
you'll be glad to know that after reading your post, I plan to leave
UPS trucks alone.  Just as I planned _before_ reading your post.

Quote:

> My wheelies and sidewalk hopping and stop sign blowing may not be the
> best mark I could leave on the world..,

Gosh, do you think?

Quote:
> but I undertake all this with some consideration ...

That's what they all say.

- Frank Krygowski

 
 
 

Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Post by sms » Sun, 21 Apr 2013 05:15:15


<snip>

Quote:
> Five miles - gasp!  (I shouldn't talk, though, as our library is five
> blocks from my house.)  OTOH, that and a little infrastructure might
> be just the inducement for bicycle transportation.

Mine is two blocks away. If not for the creek it would be one block
away. A nice new building but unfortunately they have a poor collection
and a surly staff. Still it's very heavily used, especially by school
kids. It's about the only gathering place for them.
 
 
 

Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Post by Dan » Sun, 21 Apr 2013 08:14:30


Quote:


> > > On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:15:36 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski



> > > >> However; if you let the air out of a blokes tires in, say the parking
> > > >> lot at WalMart, and he catches you, he may well torture you a bit, or
> > > >> to use the vernacular, beat hell out of you :-)

> > > >That's true, I suppose.  And if he identified you as a cyclist, he
> > > >might take it out on other cyclists.

> > > >One of my uncles was a very hotheaded guy.  He told the story of
> > > >waiting for a person to leave a plaza parking place so he could park
> > > >his car, but having another guy speed into the spot before he could
> > > >pull in.  He yelled at the guy and got an *** gesture in return.

> > > >So he parked elsewhere in the plaza lot, walked into the hardware
> > > >store and asked for a valve core remover.  The clerk said "Right here.
> > > >They're two for a dollar."  My uncle said "I only need one."

> > > >He walked back out, removed all four of the guy's valve cores, and
> > > >drove away.

> > > >- Frank Krygowski

> > > All this vigilantly stuff sounds like fun but then you have cases like
> > > the independent truckers in Maine some years ago. The Teamsters came
> > > to town to organize these poor downtrodden slaves.

> > > But these independent Maniac truckers could count and they figured out
> > > that if truck rates went up the potato farmers would make less money
> > > and if any of the farmers went bust that meant fewer trucks would be
> > > needed so they declined the Teamsters enticements.

> > > Well, everyone knows that the Teamsters are not just pretty faces and
> > > fifth wheel latches suddenly started coming lose and Truckers were
> > > dropping trailers. Pull in to have pie and coffee and when you come
> > > out and try to drive off the loaded trailer falls on the ground. It
> > > tends to ruin your whole day :-(

> > > The result was that the Truckers started carrying their deer rifles in
> > > the cab and it is alleged that shots were fired at some truck stops.

> > > The Teamsters went back to New York and the Maine Truckers are
> > > undoubtedly still doing just as they damn please :-)

> > >  I can just imagine the laments if some guy wearing purple stretch
> > > panties is hunched over somebody's brand new mag wheel and the owner
> > > is one of those guys that has a license to carry a gun.

> > Just as Marty McFly going back and forth past to future changing
> > things around sends ripples that change everything else, merely
> > disabling a truck leads to a different future than otherwise.

> > Who knows, maybe if spitball Frank hadn't come along and mischievously
> > delfated a tire, that truck would otherwise have pulled out from the
> > curb, driven down the road, and run over some little kid who would
> > have grown up to save the world (or destroy it... or just hurt
> > somebody else... ) - who knows.  Nobody knows.

> > But Frank is very big on statistically this and statistically that -
> > playing the probability that leads to the most sound outcome.  And
> > while revenge may be personally satisfying, it's not going to make UPS
> > drivers park somewhere more responsibly and farther away.

> > If you're going to take destiny into your own hands, you'd better
> > control the paramters pretty completely.  *Initiating* the sabotage
> > and then quickly riding away leaving things in an unknown state is the
> > height of thoughtless irresponsibility (even for a mere vandal /
> > spitball saboteur).  Accidents are bound to happen as a result.
> > Innocent people are going to be hurt (as a result).

> > Sure, maybe it goes off without a hitch and the driver comes back and
> > his day is ruined for a while (and maybe he was alreayd on the edge
> > and now is out of a job and takes up drinking heavily and beats his
> > kids and... or maybe not).  But OTOH maybe a bit of something inside
> > the tire comes up and plugs his "device" before the tire goes
> > completely flat and the driver hips in the truck and speeds down the
> > road toward...

> > Things have gone really nuts these days what with every kid who says
> > he's going to blow up the school being taken seriously, etc.  (The
> > need is not to treat every threat as serious with zero tolerance and
> > all that; the need is to be in touch with and there for the kids'
> > underlying needs in the first place, which society currently is not.)
> > Of course I know Frank wouldn't *really* pull it off - just
> > fantasizing - and it's a far cry from Spike Bike, but in a way, at
> > least Spike is up front with his bullshit.

> I think those with good reading skills could tell I wasn't actually
> planning to let the air out of UPS truck tires, Dan.

Is this an acknowledgement that my reading skills are good?  Because I
knew you wouldn't really do it (too chickenshit).  But proposing it
shows a horrendous lack of thoughtful responsibility.  It was the
*proposition* that I was questioning.

Quote:
> Or to put it another way:  While your logic was hardly impressive,
> you'll be glad to know that after reading your post, I plan to leave
> UPS trucks alone.  Just as I planned _before_ reading your post.

What about the kids out there in usenetland?

Gosh, everyone gushes about what a perfectly fine, respectable,
(library) card carrying good kid that one in Boston was.

Quote:

> > My wheelies and sidewalk hopping and stop sign blowing may not be the
> > best mark I could leave on the world..,

> Gosh, do you think?

For some value of "may"... and "best".

Quote:
> > but I undertake all this with some consideration ...

> That's what they all say.

"Dirty-looking rascals, but I suppose every one has some
little immortal spark concealed about him.  You would not think it, to
look at them.  There is no a priori probability about it.  A strange
enigma is man."
 
 
 

Another spontaneous headlight compliment

Post by Frank Krygowsk » Sun, 21 Apr 2013 13:42:19


Quote:

> > I think those with good reading skills could tell I wasn't actually
> > planning to let the air out of UPS truck tires, Dan.

> Is this an acknowledgement that my reading skills are good?

:-) Dan, that's just classic.

- Frank Krygowski