> > > > > > Why are you being so judgmental about my lament?
> > > > > Because your lament is of the "incompetence" that is nothing more than
> > > > > choices you would not make yourself.
> > > > The choices I make are based fundamentally on obedience to traffic
> > > > laws, with some extra bike-specific competence added (i.e. riding
> > > > skills, attention to road hazards, etc.).
> > > > OTOH, you've made it clear that you disobey laws by riding at night
> > > > without lights, riding drunk, riding facing traffic, and riding so
> > > > chaotically that it startles motorists, and that you even take
> > > > pleasure in startling motorists. You've also mentioned the crashes
> > > > that have resulted from your riding style. So it's not just my whims
> > > > vs. yours; your choices fail by comparison against a recognized
> > > > external standard.
> > > The "royal we"?
> > > > > I reflect on who and what I am extensively - and deeply; and it is
> > > > > very different form what I perceive of you (but at the same time, the
> > > > > same - I have said many time that much of what you say makes sense,
> > > > > and I feel a certain brotherhood).
> > > > > Your pronouncements of incompetence do not cut me, for I am
> > > > > comfortably aware of my competenty and it's limitations,...
> > > > As I've said before: every wrong-way rider, or unlit night cyclist,
> > > > or red light runner thinks _they_ are competent, and _they_ know it's
> > > > best to ride as they do.
> > > You presume to know what *every* one of them thinks?
> > > > Yet those riders are heavily overrepresented
> > > > in crash data.
> > > Naturally. So what? (You seem to assume that avoiding crashes is the
> > > end all, be all of competency.)
> > > > Where's the external standard...
> > Hmm... I'm sure there must be many (the nice thing about
> > "standards" :-). Let me work on that for you when I have the time and
> > possibly the inclination...
> > > ... that proves you're not really just
> > > > another drunk, lightless, wrong-way, red-light-running person on a
> > > > bike?
> > > Who ever said I wasn't another of those?
> > This is where the "judgmental" comes in. I never said I wasn't
> > another of those; In fact I've said that's exactly what I am
> > (variously, at times, and only very occasionally all at once). The
> > reason I say that you're judgmental is that you regard "another of
> > those" as "just another of those", ascribing faulty thinking,
> > reasoning, character, and ability - when in fact the difference may
> > simply be one of values. I do not lack intelligence, skill, or
> > consideration for others, but that is what you conclude, and that is
> > faulty logic.
> > > And yet, I am not
> > > represented _at all_ in the data that you seem to consider the
> > > ultimate criteria of competency.
> > And yet, your cracked logic "proves" the correlation in your own mind;
> > and your (feeble) mind extends this distortion to the "royal
> > we" (which is also in your head).
> You're blathering, Dan,
I do more than my share of blathering, but some worthwhile concepts
sneak in there.
> ... and wasting time following up your own posts.
> Let's summarize, OK? You mock me for riding according to the rules of
> the road and for trying to be competent and predictable in traffic.
I do, but only because you are so supercilious about it, and so super-
silly about it.
> You praise your "anything goes" riding style,
Well, yeah, you could say "praise". I greatly enjoy it.
> ... and have bragged...
Pride is one of my major faults. I understand that's quite common
though. I'm working on it.
> ... about
> riding in lots of ways I think are crazy.
I have no problem with *you* thinking they're crazy. (Heck, I might
be disappointed if you didn't.)
> Yet you've also talked about your crashes, and about the motorists
> you've startled, and the ones you've angered to the point of outright
I've had crashes; it goes with the risk/reward territory. I do
observe reactions to my actions that suggest people expected something
else; but meeting their expectations is not that important to me. And
as for getting angry... well, that's up to them.
> My on-road riding experience is almost totally absent of crashes.
> (One 3 mph fall on a super steep, gravel-covered downhill in the
> 1990s, one fork that suddenly broke on our tandem about five years
> ago.) That's since 1972
I think you've missed out on a *lot* of what life has to offer, but if
it makes you happy, nothing wrong with that.
> I get along well with almost all motorists,
So do I... well, most motorists, anyway - relatively well. It *might*
be "almost all", but I wouldn't put it that way. But I notice you
don't say "all"; not even a super swell guy like you?
> I enjoy riding in a wide variety of environments for a wide variety of
> purposes - commuting, shopping, recreation rides, club rides, touring
> and off-road...
I also enjoy a wide variety of [blah, blah, blah... ]
> - and I've ridden in most states of the union plus about
> a dozen foreign countries.
And I've ridden countless places that you never have.
> Despite your claims to be absolutely unique, your crash experience
> matches the general trend: those who make up their own rules or
> violate traffic laws at whim crash more frequently, no matter how
> smart they think they're being at the moment.
You're being judgmental again.
> OTOH, I don't claim to
> be unique.
"OTOH"? Where did I claim to be unique?
(And whether or not you claim it, you *are* one unique individual ;-)
> I know that people who ride my way...
> ... have only very rare
> crashes, far fewer per mile than the average. I'm just another
> competent rider.
(Eek!) So approximately how many of you are there in the world?
You seem to consider yourself pretty special:
"Well, I'm into it a bit deeper than that. You see, I teach the
course. I'm a League Certified Instructor, number 315, certified by
the League of American Bicyclists. That's the national organization
that puts the course together."
"Whoo boy! No wonder you're always giving me advice!"
> You seem to want my approval for your riding style. Give up - it's
> not going to happen. Hell, you shouldn't even be trying. A spitball-
> throwing kid shouldn't expect approval from a teacher, a tatooed
> slacker street beggar shouldn't expect approval from a hard-working
> taxpayer, and a no-rules POB shouldn't expect approval from a
> competent vehicular cyclist.
Whoa! Spitball, slacker, beggar, drunk - and I was telling myself to
get a grip.
Anyway I don't want your approval (let alone expect it). Blech! I
guess because of that brotherhood thing that I perceive elements of, I
keep trying for some understanding (that's all), but it's probably not
going to happen (would require the capacity for it).