TI Touring bike framebuilder?

TI Touring bike framebuilder?

Post by Alex Wetmor » Sat, 19 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>S&S couplers do exist in TI. And prototypes exist in AL.

Note that the AL ones won't be available to retrofit bikes, because it would
require re-heat treating the frame.  I talked to one of the S&S guys about
this at the Seattle Bike Expo last year (I'd love to have S&S couplers on my
Cannondale Tandem).

I believe that Meridian Bikes (a new tandem company) is going to be shipping
AL S&S tandems fairly soon.  They already list them, with prices, on their
webpage (sorry, URL not handy, its easy to find via a search engine though).

alex

 
 
 

TI Touring bike framebuilder?

Post by Eric Salath » Sat, 19 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> But why would anyone buy a titanium touring bike? Let's face it. The
> lifespan of even an abused high quality steel touring bike is about the
> lifespan of the owner.

> I don't see how you could EVER get a nicer touring bike than you could
> get from Mercian or Bob Jackson in England. Some of these bikes with
> the highest quality paint jobs are absolutely breath-takingly beautiful.
> Davidson or not, I've seldom seen a prettier bike.

> Or from Richard Sachs or Waterford in the USA. These manufacturers make
> very high quality stuff and have for a long time (USA-wise).

> Or if you want an unusual vehicle you can buy a Bruce Gordon Rock and Road
> with Bruce Gordon racks and have the finest touring bike made in the world
> today. And a complete bike with all of the fancy stuff goes for $2,500!
> This is an absolute steal in this market.

> Touring bikes are made to be abused, surely, but titanium touring bikes
> REALLY strike me as conspicuous consumption. Yuppee trash. :-)

Tom-

This is truly inconsistent. If a titanium touring bike is yuppie trash
conspicuous consumption, why is a Sachs (builds touring bikes??) or
Waterford or Gordon not yuppie trash conspicuous consumption? You need
to tell us what ultimate quality these high zoot tourers get us over a
Fuji or Bianchi before we can see the absurdity of the next smallest
increment, titanium. Or at least what positive quality titanium offers
in any cycling application that does not apply equally to touring. (I'm
not sure there's any.)

We all have our cut-off in the spectrum of equipment; everyone spending
less is a non-cyclist riding junk and everyone spending more is yuppie
trash. Unless you can justify your cutoff a little better, this is
nothing but divisiveness. As far as I care, I'm quite pleased to see
money go into designer bikes that might otherwise be spent on
environmentally destructive Suburban Utility Vehicles and their
requisite linear parking lots. No matter how you cut it, compared to
just about everything else people throw money at, bike are incredibly
cheap (both in dollars and in impact) so go ahead and splurge.

-Eric Salathe

 
 
 

TI Touring bike framebuilder?

Post by Tom Kunic » Sun, 20 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:


> > But why would anyone buy a titanium touring bike? Let's face it. The
> > lifespan of even an abused high quality steel touring bike is about
> > the lifespan of the owner.

> > I don't see how you could EVER get a nicer touring bike than you
> > could get from Mercian or Bob Jackson in England. Some of these
> > bikes with the highest quality paint jobs are absolutely
> > breath-takingly beautiful. Davidson or not, I've seldom seen a
> > prettier bike.

> > Or from Richard Sachs or Waterford in the USA. These manufacturers
> > make very high quality stuff and have for a long time (USA-wise).

> > Or if you want an unusual vehicle you can buy a Bruce Gordon Rock
> > and Road with Bruce Gordon racks and have the finest touring bike
> > made in the world today. And a complete bike with all of the fancy
> > stuff goes for $2,500! This is an absolute steal in this market.

> > Touring bikes are made to be abused, surely, but titanium touring
> > bikes REALLY strike me as conspicuous consumption. Yuppee trash. :-)

> This is truly inconsistent. If a titanium touring bike is yuppie trash
> conspicuous consumption, why is a Sachs (builds touring bikes??) or
> Waterford or Gordon not yuppie trash conspicuous consumption? You need
> to tell us what ultimate quality these high zoot tourers get us over a
> Fuji or Bianchi before we can see the absurdity of the next smallest
> increment, titanium. Or at least what positive quality titanium offers
> in any cycling application that does not apply equally to touring.

I can see that I'm going to have to carefully explain to everyone
when I'm using tongue-in-cheek humor.

I've said in previous messages that the best reason for buying a
titanim bike is because you want one. It is also about the ONLY
reason since there is no advantage to titanium in any solid
way.

In any case the point I was trying to make is that there are WONDERFUL
steel bikes out there for half the price of a titanium tourer. And
there isn't any down side at all.

 
 
 

TI Touring bike framebuilder?

Post by georg » Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
> reason since there is no advantage to titanium in any solid
> way.

> In any case the point I was trying to make is that there are WONDERFUL
> steel bikes out there for half the price of a titanium tourer. And
> there isn't any down side at all.

but

aren't titanium tubes thinner?? i know that titanium is a stronger metal, but does it resist the abuse some steel tubing can take??

how resistant is titanium in direct hits on the downtube?? or the bottom bracket..you often find some side of roads with big loose gravel that hits the underside of your bike while touring..

georgio..

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TI Touring bike framebuilder?

Post by robert tayl » Tue, 22 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Actually, the main reason that I like the idea of titanium for a touring
bike is that it can be left unpainted.  This is especially nice for a
bike with S&S Couplers which will be taken apart and packed into a case
for shipping.  I already have a steel bike which has been retrofitted
with the couplers and it's the best way I've found to take a bike on a
plane but I've managed to scratch and chip the paint.  I might still
scratch titanium but I'd get it in a brushed finish (already scratched)
and it won't rust.

Bob

 
 
 

TI Touring bike framebuilder?

Post by Mark Hick » Fri, 25 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>I've said in previous messages that the best reason for buying a
>titanim bike is because you want one. It is also about the ONLY
>reason since there is no advantage to titanium in any solid
>way.

I'll agree that the folks who would like most appropriately designed
(read, "stiff") titanium bikes would also like a steel bike.  Both
would do a good job, and with proper care, outlive the rider.

But there *are* advantages to titanium.

You can either build a stronger frame of the same weight, or a lighter
frame of the same strength (I prefer something in the middle of those
two points).  This will allow you to take along a thicker sleeping bag
mattress, an extra water bottle, or a blow dryer on your next trip,
without increasing the overall weight of the loaded bike.  ;-)

Rust may or may not be an issue, depending on how the bike is used,
and the environment.

But titanium's "paintless" finish is a huge advantage to the dedicated
tourer.  No worries about nicking the paint by strapping all that
equipment all over the bike.  No need to worry about touching up the
chipped paint.  No worries about riding a bike with a finish that
carries the colors of rival gangs or political / sports factions.

Quote:
>In any case the point I was trying to make is that there are WONDERFUL
>steel bikes out there for half the price of a titanium tourer. And
>there isn't any down side at all.

And of course, ALL titanium touring frames aren't priced at 2x that of
a nice steel frame....

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.cynetfl.com/habanero/
Home of the $695 ti frame

 
 
 

TI Touring bike framebuilder?

Post by Mark Hick » Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>aren't titanium tubes thinner?? i know that titanium is a stronger
>mtal, but does it resist the abuse some steel tubing can take??

Generally, ti tubing is as thick or slightly thicker than steel
tubing.  It's almost always thicker than in a "lightweight" steel bike
frame.

Quote:
>how resistant is titanium in direct hits on the downtube?? or the
>bttom bracket..you often find some side of roads with big loose
>gavel that hits the underside of your bike while touring..

As with any frame, removing a lot of material from the center section
of the tubes makes them much more prone to this type of damage (one
reason I don't do it).  A straight gauge ti frame will weigh less than
all but the very lightest steel bike, and will be much, much more
resistant to dings and tube damage of any kind.  Besides, the rocks
and gravel won't chip the paint.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.cynetfl.com/habanero/
Home of the $695 ti frame

 
 
 

TI Touring bike framebuilder?

Post by Mark Atanovic » Tue, 29 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> And of course, ALL titanium touring frames aren't priced at 2x that of
> a nice steel frame....

Am I to infer you're now offering a touring frame?  My commuter's looking
pretty ragged... ;-)