True/False: You can clean and lube your chain without removal _____

True/False: You can clean and lube your chain without removal _____

Post by Al Rade » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00


I'm sure this is true - but I've never removed a chain for cleaning.  I spray it
with some Simple Green about once a month, and rinse it well.  I only use White
Lightning.  The original chain on my bike went about 4000 miles before
replacing; my current chain has over 6000 miles, and is still well within spec.

ymmv.  All my riding is on the road - rain or shine...

- al

Quote:


> >    With the Chain cleaners available on the market today, it's a child's
> >play to clean your chain and lube it right on the bike.

> >    Just feed the chain through the brushes and the chain is routed
> >through the incorporated solvent bath.

> After you've cleaned it, take it apart and notice how much
> abrasive ***those pseudo-cleaner gizmos leave behind.  Unless
> you repeat the cleaning process several times with fresh solvent
> baths, all you're really doing is degreasing the outside of the
> chain while washing grit into the rollers where it does the most
> damage.

> --

>                        "My other bike is a car."
>                      http://SportToday.org/~josh/

 
 
 

True/False: You can clean and lube your chain without removal _____

Post by Jeffrey J. Potof » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> Riding in the rain leaves my chain clean on the outside, but full of grit.
> Why doesn't that happen to yours?

I suppose I should have specified that it has to be raining quite
hard.  A light rain will indeed only clean the outside of the chain.

Jeff

Quote:



> > I've found that ridding in the rain does a nice job of cleaning a
> > chain.

> > Jeff

> --

> Whom are you going to call?  GRAMMAR BUSTERS!!!


 
 
 

True/False: You can clean and lube your chain without removal _____

Post by Steven M. Schar » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>I have a 12 speed road bike and have always removed my chain before
>cleaning and lubricating it.

Those chain cleaners do a good job but generally you
must replace the solvent four to five times during the
cleaning. Since the links are in motion as they pass
through the cleaner, it is, in my experience, actually
better than just letting the chain sit in a pan full of solvent.
Once the solvent doesn't get dirty any more as the chain
passes through, you're done. Of course when I used to take
my chain off to clean it I also replaced the solvent four
or five times.

For solvent just use kerosene (never gasoline of course).
Avoid water based solvents.

For lubricating, you can use a second chain cleaner and fill
it with 30W motor oil (NOT 10W30!). Or go to a motorcycle
parts store and buy a can of foaming chain lube ($3 or so).
Either will get inside the chain to lube it; the oil is
cheaper, the chain lube is easier. A lot of the spray-on
lubricants make the outside of the chain look beautifully
lubed, but actually don't penetrate inside--the chain lube
does penetrate.

Don't waste your money on fancy cleaners and lubricants. They
provide no benefit to you, only to the manufacturer.

Steve

 
 
 

True/False: You can clean and lube your chain without removal _____

Post by G.T. » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>i can't believe all the anal-retentive goofiness associated with chains.
i'm
>not exactly the most highly paid person in the software biz, but even when
i
>was working in a bike shop it was cheaper for me to do a half-assed job of
>cleaning my chain after each ride (60 seconds or less) and replace my chain
>every 2 months than to spend 1/2 hr every week or two with toothbrushes and
>toxic solvents of death, and ultrasound baths, and radioactive isotopes and
>whatever else people are using now. for my road bike, i just sclorp some
white
>lightning on, then go ride. for my mtb, a do a quick hose and brush job on
the
>chain after every ride, then wipe dry and relube. then i spend $15 or so on
a
>new chain when mine starts to wear. this seems to work ok. i've had the
same
>chainrings on my road bike for 5 years, and they're still in good shape,
and i
>get about 6 months - 1 year from my mtb rings and about a year out of a
rear
>cassette.

>as a bonus, i get to ride more.

no kidding.  i spend about the same effort on my chain, maybe less, and i
get more than adequate use out of my drivetrain.

greg thomas

 
 
 

True/False: You can clean and lube your chain without removal _____

Post by Jeffrey J. Potof » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:



> > For solvent just use kerosene (never gasoline of course).
> > Avoid water based solvents.

> Why not water based solvents?

> > For lubricating, you can use a second chain cleaner and fill
> > it with 30W motor oil (NOT 10W30!).

> How come 30W but not 10W30?

You should really use Land-O-Lakes butter instead.  Melt it down,
drip it on and wipe the excess off with a slice of toast.

Jeff

 
 
 

True/False: You can clean and lube your chain without removal _____

Post by S. Evan » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> It can wash away, and I've had it happen after using that same citrus stuff.
> However, there's probably enough motor oil there to still provide
> lubrication, especially if there's enough to make black marks on your legs.

> Matt O.

Matt,
Last night I read the directions on the cleaner, and it says to rinse it
off when done.  I'm glad this subject came up, otherwise I never would
have read the directions.  Thanks again.  
STeve Evans
 
 
 

True/False: You can clean and lube your chain without removal _____

Post by Matt O'Tool » Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>You should really use Land-O-Lakes butter instead.  Melt it down,
>drip it on and wipe the excess off with a slice of toast.

Make sure that's sweet butter.  Salted butter may cause rust.

Matt O.

 
 
 

True/False: You can clean and lube your chain without removal _____

Post by BikeLub » Sat, 19 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>i can't believe all the anal-retentive goofiness associated with chains. i'm
>not exactly the most highly paid person in the software biz, but even when i
>was working in a bike shop it was cheaper for me to do a half-assed job of
>cleaning my chain after each ride (60 seconds or less) and replace my chain
>every 2 months than to spend 1/2 hr every week or two with toothbrushes and
>toxic solvents of death, and ultrasound baths, and radioactive isotopes and
>whatever else people are using now. for my road bike, i just sclorp some
>white
>lightning on, then go ride. for my mtb, a do a quick hose and brush job on
>the
>chain after every ride, then wipe dry and relube. then i spend $15 or so on a
>new chain when mine starts to wear. this seems to work ok. i've had the same
>chainrings on my road bike for 5 years, and they're still in good shape, and
>i
>get about 6 months - 1 year from my mtb rings and about a year out of a rear
>cassette.

>as a bonus, i get to ride more.
>-mark weaver

 
 
 

True/False: You can clean and lube your chain without removal _____

Post by Terence Griff » Sat, 19 Dec 1998 04:00:00




 >
 > > > How come 30W but not 10W30?
 > >
 > > You should really use Land-O-Lakes butter instead.  Melt it down,
 > > drip it on and wipe the excess off with a slice of toast.
 > >
 > > Jeff
 >
 > Can I substitute margerine and a bagel? How about lard and a tortilla?

 Lard works well. Margerine doesn't resolidify as well and will only
 last about 1/2 mile.

 I recommend not using toast at all. The crumbs can get in the links
 and cause excessive wear. A bagel will work, untosted. The best way
 is to slice it halfway and run the chain in the slice, pinched
 between the two halves. Attempting to wrap a bagel around the
 chain will cause it to break and be useless. A bagel has the
 advantage that you can eat for energy after you're finished cleaning
 your chain.

 Tortillas are good too, because you can wrap them around the chain
 easier. I usually carry some refried bean loose in my jersey pocket.
 Then I clean my chain at the lunch break, and wrap the beans in the
 tortilla for a tasty Mexican treat.

 Hope that helps!

 Next post: Sour cream: Burrito topping AND ***butter in one!


 
 
 

True/False: You can clean and lube your chain without removal _____

Post by Dan Musica » Sun, 20 Dec 1998 04:00:00




:
:> To put things in
:> perspective though, I have a $12 bottle that is half-empty after about one
:> year of use on four bikes. That works out to eight "bike-years" of use for
:> $12.
:
:
:
:
:That's not really true because 4 bikes doesn't mean you ride 4 times as
:much as another rider with one bike.  It's 2-bike years at your mileage.
:
:
:Anthony

He didn't say he was the owner of all the bikes. Maybe the other three
belong to his wife and kids...  Maybe not...    :)

Dan

 
 
 

True/False: You can clean and lube your chain without removal _____

Post by Adam Ri » Sun, 20 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>> To put things in
>> perspective though, I have a $12 bottle that is half-empty after about one
>> year of use on four bikes. That works out to eight "bike-years" of use for
>> $12.

>That's not really true because 4 bikes doesn't mean you ride 4 times as
>much as another rider with one bike.  It's 2-bike years at your mileage.

Well, two of those bikes belong to my wife and two to me. Each of us has
one racing bike and one town bike. All of them are heavily used for their
respective purposes.

My wife and I between us may not ride 4x as much as a rider with one bike,
but we ride _at least_ 2x as much. Since we don't have a car, those town
bikes get a lot of use, and since we just plain like to ride, our racing
bikes get a lot of use too. Our "white lightning utilization curve" might
not work out to 8 bike-years, but at least four, probably more.


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