An anti-idiot admits he supports criminals, drug dealers and the mentally disabled having firearms

An anti-idiot admits he supports criminals, drug dealers and the mentally disabled having firearms

Post by Jone » Wed, 03 Apr 2013 11:09:35


On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 21:28:55 -0400, in talk.politics.guns "Scout"

Quote:

>"it is not the source of the rights"
>What you gain is those protections of your rights that the Constitution of
>Australia provides.  Or the Founding Fathers of Australia.  I disagree on
>this one. Many rights are recognized, and many more are not, at least
>not to the point of saying you can exercise them. Try going to North
>Vietnam and holding a speech critical of the government. Sure, and
>others are vastly different both in language and more importantly in
>application. Agreed, but in other areas the laws protecting individual rights in America
>are stronger than they are in Europe.  Not sure I see your point other than perhaps
>both infringe some rights more excessively than others. Nothing has been a "right"
>in practice, since all have been subject to infringements by every government at
>some time or another. Yep, and now with the acknowledgement of the 2nd and
>the incorporation of it under the 14th such laws are being challenged and in some
>cases overturned. Sort of like in Europe?  So you're afraid simply because someone
>is armed? Wow, bet you***yourself when confronted by an armed police officer.
>FYI, what you are describing is known as "paranoia".  Please describe
> what you consider would be getting better? Freedom is a serious mistake?
>Why not? Don't you have the strength of your convictions, or are you just a
>blow hard hypocrite? Hmm.. and yet we see no real improvement in their
>crime situation that can be attributed to gun control laws, or the massive
>number confiscated and destroyed. So where is the benefit from these fairly
>strict laws other than violating the rights of people?

When I was a kid, I grew up in Lawton, Oklahoma.  One year, I saved my
grass cutting money and bought an almost new J.C. Higgins bicycle with
an honest to gosh Bendix "kick-down" rear hub.  Back in those days,
the Bendix was the hottest thing on the road... and no self respecting
***** would be caught wearing Spandex!

Now, Altus, Oklahoma is a little town about 40 miles west of Lawton
and we heard that there was to be a big bicycle race there one
Saturday with a large cash prize over a thousand dollars!  Three of us
got up at 5:00 AM and hit the road.  Later, we rolled into Altus like
a bunch of wild west gunslingers just as the parade was kicking off
down main street... I guess it was "Main Street"... it was the only
paved one they had, anyway.

We registered for the race, lined up with the rest of the kids, and
<BANG!> we took off with much cheering and yelling.

I'll make a long story short... we came in #1, #2, and #3 by a wide
margin.  But there wasn't any cash prize.  It was, like, backpacks
full of school supplies donated by the local merchants, only kids
didn't carry backpacks in those days.

Anyway, one of our group had participated in a real bicycle race
before; therefore, we were declared to be *professional* bicycle
racers and, for this reason, not eligible to compete.  Well, we were
just fit to blow bubbles!  Professional bicycle racers?  One of their
junior-high cheerleaders asked me for my autograph!!!

It was one of the greatest days of my life, Scout.

Jones

 
 
 

An anti-idiot admits he supports criminals, drug dealers and the mentally disabled having firearms

Post by Scou » Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:22:31


Quote:
> On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 21:28:55 -0400, in talk.politics.guns "Scout"

>>"it is not the source of the rights"
>>What you gain is those protections of your rights that the Constitution of
>>Australia provides.  Or the Founding Fathers of Australia.  I disagree on
>>this one. Many rights are recognized, and many more are not, at least
>>not to the point of saying you can exercise them. Try going to North
>>Vietnam and holding a speech critical of the government. Sure, and
>>others are vastly different both in language and more importantly in
>>application. Agreed, but in other areas the laws protecting individual
>>rights in America
>>are stronger than they are in Europe.  Not sure I see your point other
>>than perhaps
>>both infringe some rights more excessively than others. Nothing has been a
>>"right"
>>in practice, since all have been subject to infringements by every
>>government at
>>some time or another. Yep, and now with the acknowledgement of the 2nd and
>>the incorporation of it under the 14th such laws are being challenged and
>>in some
>>cases overturned. Sort of like in Europe?  So you're afraid simply because
>>someone
>>is armed? Wow, bet you***yourself when confronted by an armed police
>>officer.
>>FYI, what you are describing is known as "paranoia".  Please describe
>> what you consider would be getting better? Freedom is a serious mistake?
>>Why not? Don't you have the strength of your convictions, or are you just
>>a
>>blow hard hypocrite? Hmm.. and yet we see no real improvement in their
>>crime situation that can be attributed to gun control laws, or the massive
>>number confiscated and destroyed. So where is the benefit from these
>>fairly
>>strict laws other than violating the rights of people?

> When I was a kid, I grew up in Lawton, Oklahoma.  One year, I saved my
> grass cutting money and bought an almost new J.C. Higgins bicycle with
> an honest to gosh Bendix "kick-down" rear hub.  Back in those days,
> the Bendix was the hottest thing on the road... and no self respecting
> ***** would be caught wearing Spandex!

> Now, Altus, Oklahoma is a little town about 40 miles west of Lawton
> and we heard that there was to be a big bicycle race there one
> Saturday with a large cash prize over a thousand dollars!  Three of us
> got up at 5:00 AM and hit the road.  Later, we rolled into Altus like
> a bunch of wild west gunslingers just as the parade was kicking off
> down main street... I guess it was "Main Street"... it was the only
> paved one they had, anyway.

> We registered for the race, lined up with the rest of the kids, and
> <BANG!> we took off with much cheering and yelling.

> I'll make a long story short... we came in #1, #2, and #3 by a wide
> margin.  But there wasn't any cash prize.  It was, like, backpacks
> full of school supplies donated by the local merchants, only kids
> didn't carry backpacks in those days.

> Anyway, one of our group had participated in a real bicycle race
> before; therefore, we were declared to be *professional* bicycle
> racers and, for this reason, not eligible to compete.  Well, we were
> just fit to blow bubbles!  Professional bicycle racers?  One of their
> junior-high cheerleaders asked me for my autograph!!!

> It was one of the greatest days of my life, Scout.

IOW, ignore what was said, and change the subject with an irrelevant story.

I acknowledge your capitulation on all the points I raised.

 
 
 

An anti-idiot admits he supports criminals, drug dealers and the mentally disabled having firearms

Post by Jone » Wed, 03 Apr 2013 12:46:32

On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 23:22:31 -0400, in talk.politics.guns "Scout"

Quote:

>IOW, ignore what was said, and change the subject with an irrelevant story.

>I acknowledge your capitulation on all the points I raised.

Well, yeah.  Try to imagine a block of granite 100 miles long by 100
miles wide by 100 miles high.Once every 10,000 years a small bird
alights on it to sharpen it's beak.After the last bird has worn away
the last granule of the block this will represent the first second of
Eternity.

Now imagine a mountain of that sand, a million miles high, reaching
from the earth to the farthest heavens, and a million miles broad,
extending to remotest space, and a million miles in thickness; and
imagine such an enormous mass of countless particles of sand
multiplied as often as there are leaves in the forest, drops of water
in the mighty ocean, feathers on birds, scales on fish, hairs on
animals, atoms in the vast expanse of the air: and imagine that at the
end of every million years a little bird came to that mountain and
carried away in its beak a tiny grain of that sand. How many millions
upon millions of centuries would pass before that bird had carried
away even a square foot of that mountain, how many eons upon eons of
ages before it had carried away all? Yet at the end of that immense
stretch of time not even one instant of eternity could be said to have
ended. At the end of all those billions and trillions of years
eternity would have scarcely begun.

It's an allegory, Scout.  Do you see my point?

That's OK, buddy... I can't find yours, either.

Jones

 
 
 

An anti-idiot admits he supports criminals, drug dealers and the mentally disabled having firearms

Post by Scou » Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:58:24


Quote:
> On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 23:22:31 -0400, in talk.politics.guns "Scout"

>>IOW, ignore what was said, and change the subject with an irrelevant
>>story.

>>I acknowledge your capitulation on all the points I raised.

> Well, yeah.  Try to imagine a block of granite 100 miles long by 100
> miles wide by 100 miles high.Once every 10,000 years a small bird
> alights on it to sharpen it's beak.After the last bird has worn away
> the last granule of the block this will represent the first second of
> Eternity.

> Now imagine a mountain of that sand, a million miles high, reaching
> from the earth to the farthest heavens, and a million miles broad,
> extending to remotest space, and a million miles in thickness; and
> imagine such an enormous mass of countless particles of sand
> multiplied as often as there are leaves in the forest, drops of water
> in the mighty ocean, feathers on birds, scales on fish, hairs on
> animals, atoms in the vast expanse of the air: and imagine that at the
> end of every million years a little bird came to that mountain and
> carried away in its beak a tiny grain of that sand. How many millions
> upon millions of centuries would pass before that bird had carried
> away even a square foot of that mountain, how many eons upon eons of
> ages before it had carried away all? Yet at the end of that immense
> stretch of time not even one instant of eternity could be said to have
> ended. At the end of all those billions and trillions of years
> eternity would have scarcely begun.

> It's an allegory, Scout.  Do you see my point?

No, because I really don't see how your story about riding bikes has
anything to do with the nature of rights, their protections, or the points I
raised.

I mean really are you telling me the type of hub you boys had on your bikes
really had any connection to the issues under discussion?

Yet you spend an inordinate amount of time telling me how you worked to buy
one and how they let you and your buddies win the race only to be
disqualified because one of you didn't meet the rules even though I
seriously doubt that a child's bike race would be a team event as you seemed
to claim.

Anyway, I suggest you go back and try again and this time without the
bullshit diversions. You can either address my points directly...or you've
lost.