Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Post by Stanton Krame » Wed, 29 May 1996 04:00:00


I'm debating whether I should keep my STXrc brakes or upgrade (I'd give
them to my ***age kid).  The problem is that in looking at the Shimano
line, everything short of the V-Brake seems to look/function the same as
the STXrc. Doesn't seem to be much of a weight savings in LX or XT
brakes (or am I wrong?).

I now also have a rear set of LX cantis (unmounted as of yet).

So do I:
1) Keep the STXrc brakes on my bike and mount the LX rear on my kid's?
2) Same as above *plus* buy a set of LX front cantis for the kid?
3) Buy an LX front and mount them on my bike and give the kid STXrc?
4) Give my kid STXrc and buy different brakes altogther

If 4 is the answer...
Which brake system (with the exception of V-brakes or Magura) function
the best and have the best value.  One of my friends swears by Onza. Any
opinions?

TIA,
SK

 
 
 

Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Post by Jin H Elki » Thu, 30 May 1996 04:00:00

: If 4 is the answer...
: Which brake system (with the exception of V-brakes or Magura) function
: the best and have the best value.  One of my friends swears by Onza. Any
: opinions?

The Onza's are nice.  I think I saw a pair on Tinker's bike in a picture.
If you can fork it though Avid Tri Align's are the best canti.  I would
rather have a pair of these besides the V's.  They look much cooler and
you can use any neato brake lever.  I don't own a pair but I've played
with my friends and they are SUPER easy to adjust.

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Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Post by AFC Davi » Thu, 30 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
> : If 4 is the answer... : Which brake system (with the exception of
> V-brakes or Magura) function  : the best and have the best value.  One
> of my friends swears by Onza. Any  : opinions?

This may not be the answer you're looking for, but go for the V-brakes.

If you don't, Onzas are a good alternative. Also, try Ritchey pads before
you abandon your setup...they did an awesome job for me when I had Exage
brakes 2 or 3 years ago. (I have Vs, now.)

Quote:
> The Onza's are nice.  I think I saw a pair on Tinker's bike in a
> picture. If you can fork it though Avid Tri Align's are the best canti.
> I would rather have a pair of these besides the V's.  They look much
> cooler and you can use any neato brake lever.  I don't own a pair but
> I've played with my friends and they are SUPER easy to adjust.

::yawn:: "I saw a pair on Tinker's bike...look much cooler, neato
levers...techno-weenie babble, etc..."

Brakes don't need to look cool, they need to stop. Who cares what a brake
looks like? I never can understand somebody placing form before function
when it comes to something like brakes...

--d

 
 
 

Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Post by CyberJ » Thu, 30 May 1996 04:00:00

: I'm debating whether I should keep my STXrc brakes or upgrade (I'd give
: them to my ***age kid).  The problem is that in looking at the Shimano
: line, everything short of the V-Brake seems to look/function the same as
: the STXrc. Doesn't seem to be much of a weight savings in LX or XT
: brakes (or am I wrong?).
:
: I now also have a rear set of LX cantis (unmounted as of yet).
:
: So do I:
: 1) Keep the STXrc brakes on my bike and mount the LX rear on my kid's?
: 2) Same as above *plus* buy a set of LX front cantis for the kid?
: 3) Buy an LX front and mount them on my bike and give the kid STXrc?
: 4) Give my kid STXrc and buy different brakes altogther
:
: If 4 is the answer...
: Which brake system (with the exception of V-brakes or Magura) function
: the best and have the best value.  One of my friends swears by Onza. Any
: opinions?
:
: TIA,
: SK
        Why NOT buy V's?  They really do work and they cost LESS than
some conventional cantis(Machine Tech comes to mind).  about $215 if you
need RF+, $160ish if you have gripshift.  If you decide not to go for
V's, Onza is nice, but no matter what you get pick up some Ritchey Logic
Kool Stop pads.  They make any brake MUCH better.

-Jay

 
 
 

Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Post by Kristan Roberg » Fri, 31 May 1996 04:00:00

Quote:

> If 4 is the answer...
> Which brake system (with the exception of V-brakes or Magura) function
> the best and have the best value.  One of my friends swears by Onza. Any
> opinions?

Well with that criteria, I'd say Onza's which unfortunetly, are going
to be increasingly hard to find now that the company has died.

But my first choice otherwise (Westpine Scissors) has both the V's
and Magura's beat in adjustability, performance, and production
quality, and in looks alone... but suffers in the price department
(unless you count the fact that its designed for suspension bikes
and includes a new fork brace for your suspension fork in the kit
price.

I do sell and use the scissors brake btw, images and details on
my webpage.

Kristan Roberge
KMR Cycles Online
http://infoweb.magi.com/~kroberge/kmrtop.html

 
 
 

Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Post by Jin H Elki » Fri, 31 May 1996 04:00:00

: > The Onza's are nice.  I think I saw a pair on Tinker's bike in a
: > picture. If you can fork it though Avid Tri Align's are the best canti.
: > I would rather have a pair of these besides the V's.  They look much
: > cooler and you can use any neato brake lever.  I don't own a pair but
: > I've played with my friends and they are SUPER easy to adjust.

: ::yawn:: "I saw a pair on Tinker's bike...look much cooler, neato
: levers...techno-weenie babble, etc..."

Hmm... Tinker's no doubt one of the top US MTB'ers out there.  He could
have a trained monkey sitting on a rack to acutate a hand brake if he
wanted too.  No doubt he could afford any brake he wants (I'm sure some
sort of sponsorship come into play also).  But he chooses to use a cheeper
then V Onza brake.

: Brakes don't need to look cool, they need to stop. Who cares what a brake
: looks like? I never can understand somebody placing form before function
: when it comes to something like brakes...

Form before function with a Avid Tri Align???  I'm sure several ppl out
there would agree with me that the Tri's are GREAT stopping brakes... very
easy to adjust... and IMHO the best canti out there.  I like the fact that
you can remove a pad and not have to readjust everything when you put
another back in.  I would have to say just about any properly set up
canti... all other things beeing equal (i.e. rims... pads... blah blah)
can send you over the bars.  I send myself over the bars enough with my
$15 Tektro -grafton look alikes.  I still like to have neat looking stuff
though... what's wrong with that?  If I can get cool looking and
functional... all the better for me.  You talkin to a guy who still used
his cloth covered helmet till just a couple of months ago.  Onza's stop
great.  Don't know how hard they are to set up.  Tri's stop great too.
Super easy to set up.

--
         __  _-==-=_,-.

        `--'\ \   <___/.
             \ \\   " /  The wonderful thing about tiggers
              >=\\_/`<   is tiggers are wonderful things.
  ____       /= |  \_|/
_'    `\   _/=== \___/   Their tops are made out of ***
`___/ //\./=/~\====\     their bottoms are made out of springs
    \   // /   | ===:            


       |    _     \\:      /==:-\

(They're bouncy bouncy bouncy bouncy fun fun fun fun fun)

 
 
 

Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Post by Tulli » Sat, 01 Jun 1996 04:00:00

If you are talking strictly about cantilever brakes, there is really
very little difference between brands in terms of performance.  Some
are certainly easier to set up than others, but they all work off of
the same principle and all inherently provide very similar amounts
of leverage.  A $15 set of Shimano Altus brakes will generally work
just as well as the $200 boutique brakes (assuming use of the same
pads and same set up).

Increasing the performance of cantilever brakes is usually done by
correct set up and selection of pads.  The performance of pads
varies quite a bit from brand to brand.  

Todd
Tullio's Big Dog Cyclery
LaSalle, IL

 
 
 

Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Post by ROGER W GLA » Sun, 02 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:
> Brakes don't need to look cool, they need to stop. Who cares what a brake
> looks like? I never can understand somebody placing form before function
> when it comes to something like brakes...

> --d

is that why nobody uses wide profile brakes any more?  seems to me that
they have much better leverage than most other cantis.  they just hurt
legs.  
  roger
 
 
 

Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Post by Mark Chandl » Tue, 04 Jun 1996 04:00:00

Quote:




>>: > The Onza's are nice.  I think I saw a pair on Tinker's bike in a
>>: > picture. If you can fork it though Avid Tri Align's are the best
>canti.
>>: ::yawn:: "I saw a pair on Tinker's bike...look much cooler, neato
>>: levers...techno-weenie babble, etc..."

>>Hmm... Tinker's no doubt one of the top US MTB'ers out there.  He could
>>have a trained monkey sitting on a rack to acutate a hand brake if he
>>wanted too.  No doubt he could afford any brake he wants (I'm sure some
>>sort of sponsorship come into play also).  But he chooses to use a cheeper
>>then V Onza brake.

>Bear in mind that Tinker is sponsored by Sachs, do you think that sachs
>would be too HP 'bout one of their sponsored riders using the oppositions
>components.

The C-dale XC riders are using onZa HO cantis.  Note that they were
running these before onZa went bankrupt.  And during that time (and
now), they were sponsored by Sachs.  Looks like they're using
"competing" components.

C-dale's XC riders were supposed to use onZa pedals, but Tinker
clearly uses Looks.  I guess they let him use what he likes (and
works).

BTW, Qranc is now their helmet sponsor, but were last season's glove
sponsor.  Qranc now supplies them helmets, and Fox is their glove
sponsor, even though Qranc sells gloves.

Bottom line: given the right incentive (read: money), the team
uses what they use.

Quote:
>MO

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Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Post by M » Wed, 05 Jun 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>: > The Onza's are nice.  I think I saw a pair on Tinker's bike in a
>: > picture. If you can fork it though Avid Tri Align's are the best
canti.
>: ::yawn:: "I saw a pair on Tinker's bike...look much cooler, neato
>: levers...techno-weenie babble, etc..."

>Hmm... Tinker's no doubt one of the top US MTB'ers out there.  He could
>have a trained monkey sitting on a rack to acutate a hand brake if he
>wanted too.  No doubt he could afford any brake he wants (I'm sure some
>sort of sponsorship come into play also).  But he chooses to use a cheeper
>then V Onza brake.

Bear in mind that Tinker is sponsored by Sachs, do you think that sachs
would be too HP 'bout one of their sponsored riders using the oppositions
components.

MO

 
 
 

Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Post by Kristan Roberg » Wed, 05 Jun 1996 04:00:00


Quote:


> Form before function with a Avid Tri Align???  I'm sure several ppl out
> there would agree with me that the Tri's are GREAT stopping brakes... very
> easy to adjust... and IMHO the best canti out there.

Alas, I can't really get enthusiastic about the Tri-Aligns since
Avid didn't design the damn things (little known fact). They ranke
about #3 on my top 5 brake choices with the #1 & 2 spots being Westpine
Scissors and Westpine T.A.C. brakes, with #4 being Magura's and #5 being
Marinotive CheapTricks (the ORIGINAL V-brake).
 
 
 

Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Post by AFC Davi » Wed, 05 Jun 1996 04:00:00


Quote:


> > Form before function with a Avid Tri Align???  I'm sure several ppl
out
> > there would agree with me that the Tri's are GREAT stopping brakes...
very
> > easy to adjust... and IMHO the best canti out there.

For the record, I did NOT write that.

--d

 
 
 

Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Post by JEFF AND MELISS » Thu, 06 Jun 1996 04:00:00

I HACE THE ONZA'S ON MY F1000 I THINK THEY ARE VERY GOOD BRAKE.
I USE "LOVE LEVERS" WITH THEM.

THANKS
     JEFF     RANCHO CUCAMONGA CA.         "NEAR L.A."

 
 
 

Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Post by JEFF AND MELISS » Thu, 06 Jun 1996 04:00:00

I HAVE THE ONZA'S ON MY F1000 I THINK THEY ARE VERY GOOD BRAKE.
I USE "LOVE LEVERS" WITH THEM.

THANKS
     JEFF     RANCHO CUCAMONGA CA.         "NEAR L.A."

 
 
 

Best brakes besides V-Brakes or Magura

Post by M » Fri, 07 Jun 1996 04:00:00



Quote:

>> If 4 is the answer...
>> Which brake system (with the exception of V-brakes or Magura) function
>> the best and have the best value.  One of my friends swears by Onza. Any
>> opinions?

>Well with that criteria, I'd say Onza's which unfortunetly, are going
>to be increasingly hard to find now that the company has died.

Onza USA may be dead but it is still availiable in europe, if you can ship
it you can get it, grey market parts as well i guess...

MO