Results: Collegiate Mtn Bike Nationals

Results: Collegiate Mtn Bike Nationals

Post by Adam Gutterma » Fri, 14 Oct 1994 00:50:53


Subject: Results: Collegiate Mtn Bike Nationals

Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 20:31:33 GMT

Quote:

>The first ever Collegiate Mountain Bike Nationals took place at Castaic
>Lake on Saturday October 1'st, 1994: Results as follows

>Team (top 10)
>1.  Fort Lewis College, 449 points
>2.  Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, 313
>3.  Northern Arizona University, 250
>4.  University of New Mexico, 222
>5.  University of San Diego, 172
>6.  Stanford, 169
>7.  University of California, Santa Barbara, 100
>8.  Cal Poly Pomona, 97
>9.  University of California, Berkeley, 89
>10.Moorpark College, 80

Shouldn't this race have been called the "West Coast Collegiate Mountain
Bike Championships"? Were there any representatives from schools east of
the Mississippi river? While I'm sure that the race was open to all
Collegiate teams, the geographic representation of teams makes me wonder.
Of course, if our schools would give their cycling team what they
apportion for one or two football players . . .

Adam

 
 
 

Results: Collegiate Mtn Bike Nationals

Post by Various Studen » Fri, 14 Oct 1994 02:57:11



Quote:
> Subject: Results: Collegiate Mtn Bike Nationals

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1994 20:31:33 GMT


> >The first ever Collegiate Mountain Bike Nationals took place at Castaic
> >Lake on Saturday October 1'st, 1994: Results as follows

> >Team (top 10)
> >1.  Fort Lewis College, 449 points
> >2.  Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, 313
> >3.  Northern Arizona University, 250
> >4.  University of New Mexico, 222
> >5.  University of San Diego, 172
> >6.  Stanford, 169
> >7.  University of California, Santa Barbara, 100
> >8.  Cal Poly Pomona, 97
> >9.  University of California, Berkeley, 89
> >10.Moorpark College, 80

> Shouldn't this race have been called the "West Coast Collegiate Mountain
> Bike Championships"? Were there any representatives from schools east of
> the Mississippi river? While I'm sure that the race was open to all
> Collegiate teams, the geographic representation of teams makes me wonder.
> Of course, if our schools would give their cycling team what they
> apportion for one or two football players . . .

> Adam

On the other hand, it was a bit of a hassle for any west coast teams to
make it to Trexlertown PA for track nationals. It's a big country and I
guess it all evens out in the long run.



 
 
 

Results: Collegiate Mtn Bike Nationals

Post by Bill Jenki » Fri, 14 Oct 1994 04:51:26


: The first ever Collegiate Mountain Bike Nationals took place at Castaic
: Lake on Saturday October 1'st, 1994: Results as follows

(snip  results)

ed thanks for the results

it is nice to see some one posting race results
on rec.bicycles.racing
on sunday oct. 2, 1994 the finals for the calif. cup were run
i will be posting the results from them a.s.a.p. (unless some one else does)

--
Bill Jenkins                                WORK SUCKS!!!
Food Service Supervisor                      I'M GOING
Cal Poly University S.L.O. Ca.            MOUNTAIN BIKING!!


 
 
 

Results: Collegiate Mtn Bike Nationals

Post by Edward P Salga » Thu, 13 Oct 1994 05:31:33

The first ever Collegiate Mountain Bike Nationals took place at Castaic
Lake on Saturday October 1'st, 1994: Results as follows

Team (top 10)
1.  Fort Lewis College, 449 points
2.  Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, 313
3.  Northern Arizona University, 250
4.  University of New Mexico, 222
5.  University of San Diego, 172
6.  Stanford, 169
7.  University of California, Santa Barbara, 100
8.  Cal Poly Pomona, 97
9.  University of California, Berkeley, 89
10.Moorpark College, 80

Men's A
1.  Alex Smith, Cal Poly SLO
2.  Matt Smith, Fort Lewis
3.  Kyle Dixon, Penn State
4.  John Mutolo, Moorpark
5.  Scott Simmons, Fort Lewis
6.  Rob Carpenter, Cal State Long Beach
7.  Jason pierce, Fort Lewis
8.  Mike Borduin, Northern Arizona U.
9.  Brij Lunine, U of New Mexico
10.  Ben Smith, U of Washington
11.  Carl Hekert, Cal Poly SLO
12.  Jason Tullous, Northern Arizona U.
13.  Brad Boca, UC Santa Barbara
14.  Brian Collet, NAU
15.  J.R. Thonpson, Fort Lewis
16.  Jamie Fallon, NAU
17.  Ryan Albert, Texas A&M
18.  Jason Smith, U of Washington
19.  Mike Yarski, UC Irvine
20.  Travis Coleman, U of New Mexico
21.  Frank Moustirats, Cal Poly SLO
22.  James Loverich, NAU
23.  Chris DeMarchi, Cal Poly Pomona
24.  Jose Inlguez, NAU
25.  Loren Hatler, U of New Mexico
26.  Scott Horsely, Cal Poly SLO???
27.  Ryan Cady, UC San Diego
28.  Dan Cortright., UCLA
29.  Shaun Garvey, EMBRY-Riddle Aeronautical
30.  Marc Pfister, UC Davis
31.  Jonathan Rocque, UC Santa Barbara
32.  Steve Seiden, UC Irvine
33.  Ross Lessins, Cal Poly SLO
34.  Joel Cory, CSU San Jose
35.  Jay Personius, UC Riverside
36.  Dan Latt, u of Pittsburgh
37.  David Raker, CSU Northridge

Women
1.  Gretchen Ravenschlag, Fort Lewis
2.  Beverley Anderson-Abbs, San Diego State U.
3.  Sarah Vogel, U of New Mexico
4.  Carmen Hachmann, For Lewis
5.  Christine Wilke, NAU
6.  Jennifer Daniels, UC Berkeley
7.  Heather White, CSU Long Beach
8.  Annette Gronlund, CSU San Jose
9.  Julie Henderson, Cal Poly SLO
10.  Karen Erickson, UC Riverside
11.  Laura Mitchell, UCLA
12.  Yvette Marcum, Cal Poly SLO
13.  Koren Nydick, U of New Mexico
14.  Jody White, Caltech
15.  Sherry Smith, CSU Long Beach
16.  Kellie Schneider, Cal Poly SLO

Men's B
1.  Mike Cummer, Stanford
2.  Shawn Stewart, Fort Lewis
3.  Erik Stauber, UCSD
4.  Troy Hachman, Fort Lewis
5.  Kelly Crownhard, Fort Lewis
6.  James Bodine, Fort Lewis
7.  Justin Fogarty, UCSB
8.  Daniel Murphy, Cal Poly SLO
9.  Daniel Murphy, Cal Poly SLO
Hey, I am only typing what I received from the NCCA
10.  Steve Hollenbeak, Cal Poly SLO
11.  Lars Thomsen, UCSB
12.  Steve Myers, Cal Poly SLO
13.  Jack Ramirez, UC Riverside
14.  Tim Cowley, Cal Poly SLO
15.  Simon Essl, UC Berkeley
16.  Tim Baustert, U of New Mexico
17.  Nels Wydler, Cal Poly SLO
18.  Tyler Marthaur, UC Berkeley
19.  Michael Kantner, Caltech
20.  Scott Applebaum, UCSB
21.  Brian Jones, NAU
22.  Joseph Zambrano, UCSD
23.  Peter Grudbery, ?
24.  Eric Aldrich, Cal Poly SLO
25.  Brett Wallihan, Cal Poly Pomona
26.  Micah Ledbitter, UC Berkeley
27.  Val Saeng, Cal Poly Pomona
28.  Tim Taylor, Cal Poly SLO
29.  Mike Arzabal, San Jose SU
30.  Ron Keichline, UC Riverside
31.  Brian Archung, UC Riverside
32.  Troy Adamitis, SJSU

Men's C
1.  Garrett Downs, Fort Lewis
2.  Chad Roemer, UCSD
3.  Daniel Lyons, Stanford
4.  Drew Carver, Fort Lewis
5.  Robert Ily, NAU
6.  Ben Chang, UCSD
7.  Chris Carlson Stanford
8.  Chris Brown, Cal Poly Pomona
9.  David Bailey, Stanford
10.  Bruce Bleecker, Pepperdine
11.  Benjamin Koyle, Cal Poly Pomona
12.  Ophir Sefiha, NAU
13.  John Groeling, UCSD
14.  Gilbert Correa, Cal Poly SLO???
15.  Daisuke Koya, UCLA
16.  Bobby Gustafson, UC Riverside
17.  James Lucas, UCSB
18.  Joe Barrett, CSUN
19.  Roger Kang, UC Berkeley
20.  Oliver Pohl, Cal Poly SLO
21.  Michael Fuhrer, UC Berkeley
22.  Brian Krug, CSU Long Beach
23.  John Herron, University of Pittsburgh
24.  Ernest Klock, CSU Long Beach
25.  Trevor Sosebee, UC Berkeley
26.  Geoffrey Mayne, UC Berkeley
27.  Tony Quiroz, Glendale Community College
28.  Brian Chapman, Cal Poly SLO
29.  Alan Emery, UCLA
30.  Renzo Bernales, Cal Poly SLO
31.  Brian Co, NAU
32.  Michael Baldelli, Cal Poly SLO
33.  Aaron Solomon, UC Berkeley
34.  Steven Pacmek, UC Riverside
35.  Rob Ramirez, UC Riverside
36.  Michael Rabban, Cal Poly SLO
37.  David McNamee, SJSU
38.  Jason Boles, NAU
39.  Christopher Mendoza, NAU
40.  Lance Cullen, ?
41.  Jonathan, UCSB
42.  Jorge Lesy, Phoenix College
43.  Andrew Wojecki, NAU
44.  Andrew Liu, Cal Poly SLO???

 
 
 

Results: Collegiate Mtn Bike Nationals

Post by PETER M GRUDBE » Thu, 13 Oct 1994 03:04:00


Quote:
>The first ever Collegiate Mountain Bike Nationals took place at Castaic
>Lake on Saturday October 1'st, 1994: Results as follows

A coupla corrections:

Quote:
>Men's B
>1.  Mike Cummer, Stanford
> ...
>8.  Daniel Murphy, Cal Poly SLO

should be
8. Zony Chen, UC Berkeley

Quote:
>9.  Daniel Murphy, Cal Poly SLO
>Hey, I am only typing what I received from the NCCA
>...
>23.  Peter Grudbery, ?

should be
23. Peter Grudberg, UC Berkeley (me! my 1st mtb race)
 
 
 

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Post by David Benedict Bail » Fri, 14 Oct 1994 13:30:58



Quote:
>Shouldn't this race have been called the "West Coast Collegiate Mountain
>Bike Championships"? Were there any representatives from schools east of
>the Mississippi river?

U of Pittsburgh sent a team.  

It's only fair, since track nats were in Pennsylvania.  But after meeting
Lane Macy, director of the NCCA, I would have gone to MTB nats even if
I lived in Japan.

Now if you'll all excuse me, I have to get back to watching Models, Inc.

--
Dave Bailey

 
 
 

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Post by Michael Kantn » Sat, 15 Oct 1994 05:09:41


:>Shouldn't this race have been called the "West Coast Collegiate Mountain
:>Bike Championships"? Were there any representatives from schools east of
:>the Mississippi river?
:
:U of Pittsburgh sent a team.  

There were also people from:
  West Point (that's in upstate New York, commonly called Army)
  Embry Riddle (located in Florida, very good climbing country)
  Texas A&M (In Texas, for all you Aggies out there)
  Penn State (Someone already mentioned this)
  Washington (The state, yeah its in the West, but its a long drive)

-Michael Kantner

 
 
 

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Post by Adam Gutterma » Sat, 15 Oct 1994 06:13:59

Quote:

>On the other hand, it was a bit of a hassle for any west coast teams to
>make it to Trexlertown PA for track nationals. It's a big country and I
>guess it all evens out in the long run.



My gripe isn't really with the fact that the race was on the west coast.
No matter where it's held, riders from MOST of the country will not be
able to make it simply because the money isn't there. What sucks is that
our schools treat us like ________(fill in your own explative). The
cycling team here at ***ia Tech is very competitive and I'm sure that
we get more from our school than many others do. But, I'm also sure that
as a team we get less than even one scholarship football player does.
(not to mention the rolex, car- wait, that's against the rules!)
        I did not intend to belittle in any way the accomplishments of the
riders in the event. Quite the contrary, those who went are to be
congratulated for making the effort to get there.

Adam

 
 
 

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Post by F Frank Ro » Sat, 15 Oct 1994 06:34:39

Quote:



>:>Shouldn't this race have been called the "West Coast Collegiate Mountain
>:>Bike Championships"? Were there any representatives from schools east of
>:>the Mississippi river?
>There were also people from:
>  West Point (that's in upstate New York, commonly called Army)
>  Embry Riddle (located in Florida, very good climbing country)
>  Texas A&M (In Texas, for all you Aggies out there)
>  Penn State (Someone already mentioned this)
>  Washington (The state, yeah its in the West, but its a long drive)

uh, Texas A&M is *west* of the Mississippi.
 
 
 

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Post by Jody Whi » Fri, 14 Oct 1994 11:56:39

Well, Adam, I do remember seeing a racer from Penn State, so there was at
least one competitor from east of the Mississippi.  Don't forget, too, that
this was the first year a collegiate mtb championship has been held.  Stay
tuned for '95.

Jody White


 
 
 

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Post by Jody Whi » Sun, 16 Oct 1994 03:05:52

While we're on the subject of locations, does anyone know where the event is
going to be held next year?  I'd love to travel to it if that's feasible.

Jody White


 
 
 

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Post by Adam Gutterma » Mon, 17 Oct 1994 02:02:23


Quote:

>But the scholarship football players make the football team competitive,
>which fills the stadium at home games, which generates income for the
>school, which means the school is actually making money by paying that
>football player full tuition or whatever.  Some of that money might (in
>a perfect world) go to club sports like cycling, which generate
absolutely
>no income.  College football is a moneymaker, it's a business, heck, they
>should probably pay the players salaries for all the work they do.

This is getting off the subject, but it is largely a myth that Football
makes money for schools. It is the exception, not the rule. When you
consider all of the expenses for a competitive football team, its clear
that it is quite difficult for them to actually make money. I think that
here at tech we have something like 65 players on scholarship. That's
more than a few hundred thoudand dollars right there. Then figure in the
salaries of a large coaching staff, travel, upkeep of a huge stadium and
practice fields(which is usually paid for by 'buildings and grounds' -
not the athletic department), weight rooms, tutors, remedial reading and
addition/subtraction classes. We've been lucky this year in getting a few
games on national TV, so this year, we may make some money. One
particularly misleading term is "revenue sport". All that this really
means is that the team charges admission to see games. If the soccer team
charged a dollar for people to watch, it would be considered a revenue
sport. Revenue does not equal profit. Here's an interesting statistic.
Out of the 802 NCAA, 493 NAIA, and 1050 nonaffiliated junior colleges,
only 10 to 20 athletic programs consistently make a profit. If this few
schools are making a profit in an aggregate sense, it would seem that
there are alse relatively few football teams who even pay for themselves,
much less for the entire athletic department.

Adam

 
 
 

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Post by Adam Gutterma » Mon, 17 Oct 1994 02:59:48


Quote:

>However this does confer a certain autonomy not enjoyed by members
>of the (paternalist) varsity sports programs.  Do you think they are
>as free, as a practical matter, as you are to slam the school on the net?

>If you can't beat 'em, join 'em: maybe you should shift the focus of
your  
>helmets/paternalism study to pro and collegiate football.  You might be
able  
>to expand it into a PhD topic with a grant from the NCAA or NFL paying
your  
>way.  Try getting the USCF to do that!

>Better still:  while it's too late to trad your genes in for some better
>suited to football, you can still switch departments.  Go for an MBA, JD
or  
>MD; in another word, "plastics".  Spare us the inevitable kvetching when
on  
>graduation you compare the pay scale for PhDs in Philosophy with those
for  
>the big-money fields.

>art walker


Autonomy is more that just freedom. It not only requires that a person
have choice, but that there be a good range of choices. Furthermore,
these choices must be recognized for their pervasiveness. For example, if
someone is robbing a woman and tells her that she can either be shot or
give him her purse, is he really treating her autonomously? Also, if you
deny someone the choice of a particular flavor of ice-cream, this would
not be nearly as bad as denying someone the right to vote. The fact that
the football players don't have to worry about little things like tuition
gives them a lot more autonomy than someone on the cycling team. While it
may be frowned upon for them to criticize the school, they don't have to
worry about paying tuition and buying their equipment. I can't choose to
not pay my tuition, and I can't choose to not pay for my equipment. While
slamming the school is fun, I'd rather get tuition an a Serotta Ti.
        As for grad school, fortunately I'm only in a 2 year MA program. I'm
reading Sartre right now, and  Law School is looking pretty good.
        Also, why is it that everyone from Stanford disagrees with me? (whine
whine whine)

Adam

 
 
 

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Post by ilan var » Mon, 17 Oct 1994 09:47:34



Quote:
>    Also, why is it that everyone from Stanford disagrees with me?

I don't disagree with you.

-ilan

 
 
 

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Post by Arthur Walk » Sun, 16 Oct 1994 01:35:56


writes:
..

Quote:
> My gripe isn't really with the fact that the race was on the west coast.
> No matter where it's held, riders from MOST of the country will not be
> able to make it simply because the money isn't there. What sucks is that
> our schools treat us like ________(fill in your own explative). The
> cycling team here at ***ia Tech is very competitive and I'm sure that
> we get more from our school than many others do. But, I'm also sure that
> as a team we get less than even one scholarship football player does.
> (not to mention the rolex, car- wait, that's against the rules!)

However this does confer a certain autonomy not enjoyed by members
of the (paternalist) varsity sports programs.  Do you think they are
as free, as a practical matter, as you are to slam the school on the net?

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em: maybe you should shift the focus of your  
helmets/paternalism study to pro and collegiate football.  You might be able  
to expand it into a PhD topic with a grant from the NCAA or NFL paying your  
way.  Try getting the USCF to do that!

Better still:  while it's too late to trad your genes in for some better  
suited to football, you can still switch departments.  Go for an MBA, JD or  
MD; in another word, "plastics".  Spare us the inevitable kvetching when on  
graduation you compare the pay scale for PhDs in Philosophy with those for  
the big-money fields.

art walker