C'dale rumormill: New for '96

C'dale rumormill: New for '96

Post by Dietrich Wiegma » Sat, 01 Jul 1995 04:00:00


I'm going to be getting a replacement frame for my old M800, and I'm
trying to decide whether I should wait for the '96 changes to the product
line.  Supposedly, 96 bikes will be available next month, but I don't
know if I can wait.  Here's what I know:
The 96 super V 700 has the carbon swingarm, a coil spring shock and
           dual slider style forks.

Here are some totally unsubstantiated rumors:
The M800 geometry frame will be eliminated
The delta V front suspension frame option will be eliminated
A new rigid "suspension ready" frame with a 1.25" headtube will be
         available.
The headshok cartridges will be modified.

Let me know if anyone has heard, seen or read anything else.

Dietrich

I don't represent my employer

 
 
 

C'dale rumormill: New for '96

Post by Arthur Sederqui » Sat, 01 Jul 1995 04:00:00

          Cannondale to Manufacture Thermoplastic Bicycles

An unknown person (*) informed me that he had just returned from
Cannondale Headquarters where he completed the sale of thermoplastic
manufacturing equipment, associated technology/materials and training to
the aluminum frame giant.

* The informant is a total stranger.  He just approached me and said, "I
  just got back from PA and guess what?"  I manage a shop in Baltimore.  
  He is employed by a thermoplastic company.

How could this make sense?  Well folks, I don't know if there has been a
thread on the future price of aluminum here, but, the bicycle industry is
bracing itself for a sudden rise in the cost of aluminum which will cost
you $150 or more for an aluminum frame next year.

The US has been purchasing Al from Russia at lower than previously normal
prices because of a glut of the material.  The glut is over and prices
are going to return to normal + a bit more.  I don't know how much in raw
billet form the price will increase, but I have been told by a Gary
Fisher rep to expect aluminum frames to cost $150 or more next year.

My gut told me no way.  How could a bike company with a tradition of
quality aluminum craftsmanship cross not the line into the realm of
steel, but into an uncharted zone (with bikes--except Giant) where
success depends on a material most bicyclists associate with Tupperware
and waste deposits?

When I considered the increased cost of aluminum though, things started
to become clear.  Evolve or die.

Does anyone know anything else about this rumor?
___
 Art Sederquist

 ***Cyclist

 
 
 

C'dale rumormill: New for '96

Post by P. J. Remn » Sun, 02 Jul 1995 04:00:00


Quote:
>Here are some totally unsubstantiated rumors:
>The M800 geometry frame will be eliminated

Is that the rigid, high-crankset "technical" mountain bike?
If so, Cannondale would be stupid to stop offering it.

Well, at least I'd be able to get one at closeout prices...

--
ayjayninetwothreeatclevelandpointfreenetpointedu

   "Hermann Goering was 'a bit dodgy'?!?"
                                     - Kryten

 
 
 

C'dale rumormill: New for '96

Post by Scott Banvill » Sun, 02 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Well the Delta V frames, once available in all models is being
discontinued I don't believe the Super V700 will have a carbon
fiber swingarm, it will still be Al.  The front fork will be a RS
Quadra 5 or 10, nothing great, it is the result of C-Dale
attempting to be compettive with other $1000.00 dual suspension.
Yes the headshoks are being modified a bit, mostly cosmetic though
Any way you probably will have to wait for a '96 frame because I
don't think cannondale has much in stock right now, although I do
know someone who just got a replacement, he had a long wait.
 
 
 

C'dale rumormill: New for '96

Post by Jonathan E Mye » Thu, 06 Jul 1995 04:00:00

|>     Cannondale to Manufacture Thermoplastic Bicycles
|>
|> An unknown person (*) informed me that he had just returned from
|> Cannondale Headquarters where he completed the sale of thermoplastic
|> manufacturing equipment, associated technology/materials and training to
|> the aluminum frame giant.
|>
|> * The informant is a total stranger.  He just approached me and said, "I
|>   just got back from PA and guess what?"  I manage a shop in Baltimore.  
|>   He is employed by a thermoplastic company.
|>
|> How could this make sense?  Well folks, I don't know if there has been a
|> thread on the future price of aluminum here, but, the bicycle industry is
|> bracing itself for a sudden rise in the cost of aluminum which will cost
|> you $150 or more for an aluminum frame next year.
|>
|> The US has been purchasing Al from Russia at lower than previously normal
|> prices because of a glut of the material.  The glut is over and prices
|> are going to return to normal + a bit more.  I don't know how much in raw
|> billet form the price will increase, but I have been told by a Gary
|> Fisher rep to expect aluminum frames to cost $150 or more next year.
|>
|> My gut told me no way.  How could a bike company with a tradition of
|> quality aluminum craftsmanship cross not the line into the realm of
|> steel, but into an uncharted zone (with bikes--except Giant) where
|> success depends on a material most bicyclists associate with Tupperware
|> and waste deposits?
|>
|> When I considered the increased cost of aluminum though, things started
|> to become clear.  Evolve or die.
|>
|> Does anyone know anything else about this rumor?
|> ___
|>  Art Sederquist

|>  ***Cyclist
|>

        Lets try to add this up.  A good aluminum bike frame is 3 pounds.
Next year it will cost $150 more because raw aluminum is increasing in price.
This would seem to indicate that aluminum is increasing by $50/pound next year.
I guess that if I were selling composites, steel, or any other non-aluminum
material, I would try to spread BULLSHIT like this also.
        If aluminum was increasing in price by $50/pound, bicycle companies
would not be worrying.  Boeing, Airbus, Budweiser, Coors and all the companies
that use A LOT of aluminum would be worried.
        So, to sum all this up.  Aluminum is NOT going to rise in price by
$50 per pound.  Aluminum bike frames are NOT going to rise in price by $150
per bike.  This rumor is BULLSHIT.

                        Jon Myers (Portland, OR)

 
 
 

C'dale rumormill: New for '96

Post by Boot » Fri, 07 Jul 1995 04:00:00

Quote:
>I guess that if I were selling composites, steel, or any other non-aluminum
>material, I would try to spread BULLSHIT like this also.
>        If aluminum was increasing in price by $50/pound, bicycle companies
>would not be worrying.  Boeing, Airbus, Budweiser, Coors and all the companies
>that use A LOT of aluminum would be worried.

   Well, actually they ARE worried. I work at a Target store in Columbus, Ohio
where 12 and 24 packs of Pepsi just rose by $1 each. I asked the Pepsi
supplier when he came in one day about it and he said, "It's like this at all
the stores now.  The price of aluminum went up."  However, our Coca-Cola
products remain the same.
  I'm not sure what Coca-Cola is doing, but I DO know that this Pepsi guy was
NOT an MTB rider and has no clue about this current thread here.

Quote:
>        So, to sum all this up.  Aluminum is NOT going to rise in price by
>$50 per pound.  Aluminum bike frames are NOT going to rise in price by $150
>per bike.  This rumor is BULLSHIT.

  The rumor is true, but the $50 pound difference does seem a little extreme.
I agree with Jonathan there. Let's just hope.

Todd