853 or cro-mo rear triangle?

853 or cro-mo rear triangle?

Post by velo_souffranc » Sat, 24 Apr 1999 04:00:00


I am having an 853 custom frame built.  There's a substantial upcharge
(~33%) to also utilize 853 tubes for the rear triangle -- if you don't want
to pay the freight "ordinary cro-mo" tubing is used.  Does it make any
difference?  Any opinions appreciated.
 
 
 

853 or cro-mo rear triangle?

Post by Eric and Naom » Sun, 25 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> I am having an 853 custom frame built.  There's a substantial upcharge
> (~33%) to also utilize 853 tubes for the rear triangle -- if you don't want
> to pay the freight "ordinary cro-mo" tubing is used.  Does it make any
> difference?  Any opinions appreciated.

No, not really.  Reynolds charges you out the ass (sorry) for stays made
of 853, I guess because it is a pain to do the shaping.  (You can't
really bend them after the final heat treatment, as they will break.)  I
don't know what your builder is calling "oridinary cro-mo", but
good-quality Dedacciai Zero-Uno or True Temper stays are very
inexpensive and excellent quality.  (Available in pretty much the same
dimensions as the Reynolds, too, which don't really offer much of an
option - last I checked, they didn't make many sizes.)  I think the
Reynolds 853 stays are seriously overpriced and don't use them unless a
customer asks for them and is willing to pay the diff.

If the "ordinary" tubes are good substitutes, I wouldn't worry about
it.  The material doesn't affect the ride - size/shape/thickness does.

Enjoy your bike!
Eric Bowman
Bowman Cycles

 
 
 

853 or cro-mo rear triangle?

Post by Randal R. Gra » Sun, 25 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Using non-853 stays will also enable the framebuilder to bend the stays at
the brake bosses (if you desire). I'm not sure if this is possible with
the 853 or just harder to do. An alternative is using the 753 tubing

Randy Gray
mountain biking guy.

Local Nova Scotia mountain biking info is available at:
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~at289/Profile.html

Quote:


> > I am having an 853 custom frame built.  There's a substantial upcharge
> > (~33%) to also utilize 853 tubes for the rear triangle -- if you don't want
> > to pay the freight "ordinary cro-mo" tubing is used.  Does it make any
> > difference?  Any opinions appreciated.

> No, not really.  Reynolds charges you out the ass (sorry) for stays made
> of 853, I guess because it is a pain to do the shaping.  (You can't
> really bend them after the final heat treatment, as they will break.)  I
> don't know what your builder is calling "oridinary cro-mo", but
> good-quality Dedacciai Zero-Uno or True Temper stays are very
> inexpensive and excellent quality.  (Available in pretty much the same
> dimensions as the Reynolds, too, which don't really offer much of an
> option - last I checked, they didn't make many sizes.)  I think the
> Reynolds 853 stays are seriously overpriced and don't use them unless a
> customer asks for them and is willing to pay the diff.

> If the "ordinary" tubes are good substitutes, I wouldn't worry about
> it.  The material doesn't affect the ride - size/shape/thickness does.

> Enjoy your bike!
> Eric Bowman
> Bowman Cycles


 
 
 

853 or cro-mo rear triangle?

Post by Ryun Pavlice » Sun, 25 Apr 1999 04:00:00

Independent Fabrications doesnt seem to think it is worth it (They use True
Temper and Dedaccai I believe) and they arent exactly about cutting costs.

In fact, I believe there are several advantages to NOT using 853. As others
have mentioned, the tubing doesnt much care for bending, shaping etc and with
the multitude of other light high end stays out there, I dont see any
advantage. I believe the zero tubes are lighter anyway.

Do you get 531 or 753 as part of the standard package?
Ryun

Quote:

> I am having an 853 custom frame built.  There's a substantial upcharge
> (~33%) to also utilize 853 tubes for the rear triangle -- if you don't want
> to pay the freight "ordinary cro-mo" tubing is used.  Does it make any
> difference?  Any opinions appreciated.