> >> Bolinas is mtn biking, no arguments there, but to use Bolina as an
> >> example of tough off-roading is absurd.
> >Strange, I didn't see anyone using it as an example of TOUGH
> >offroad riding.
> Perhaps you need to reread JB's post that started the Tam nonsense:
> "This mountain has as steep and rocky trails as can be found anywhere
> as well as forest trails like the Bolinas Ridge Trail, that has steep
> sections with networks of exposed roots in a veritable mesh of
> diagonal wet RR tracks, when the summer fog blows through the
> Most reasonable people would regard a trail of such description as
> tough. Bolinas isn't, the description doesn't fit with reality.
You'll have to excuse me but using normal English usage I read that
sentence to say that Mt. Tam has as steep a terrain as you'll find
anywhere. That is true. There are sections of Tam that are sheer cliff.
There are plenty of trails that are steep and rockie. I've ridden
some that are as steep and rockie and rough as anything I've found
Bolinas Trail has lots of areas that can be described exactly as
Jobst describes them.
> Tom, Tom, Tom, you certainly have a bug up your ***about Mark now
> don't you? You are projecting big time. Please reference where he said
> that mountain biking is only riding fully suspended bikes with special
> equipment (hint he didn't and it isn't).
It is easy to say that Peter, but Mark said the following:
Dec 23 98
riding a road bike on the dirt is not mountain biking.
(I take that to mean that the only way to mountain bike is with
a mountain bike. No other bike should apply -- is that or is that
not elitist BS?)
Dec 23 98
i'd put my ability to ride ride skinny tires in the dirt right there
with anyone. it's still not mtb-ing.
(In case we didn't hear it the first time he wanted to be sure
we heard it the second time.)
Dec 24 98
maybe jobst could race the coyote classic on his road bike next year.
depending on his success, i might revise my position that riding road
bikes in the dirt is not mountain biking.
(AGAIN -- the only way to mountain bike is with a mountain bike.)
Dec 24 98
many of the really fun mtb trails would not be very much fun (for me
anyway) on a cross bike or road bike because extreme steepness or
looseness or rockiness means that a non-mtb will generally be slower
and i'll have to get off more.
(Now he's defining TERRAIN as well. So offroad riding isn't mountain
biking unless it meets certain qualifications.)
Jan 4 99
i think it's reasonable to refer to the type of riding you can do with
a mtb as "mountain biking" and refer to the type of riding you can do
with a cross/road bike as something else.
(How many times does he have to say this before you believe that he
only thinks that mountain biking can bew done with mountain bikes?)
> Weaver rides a hardtail. Shocker! (well, at least in the front)
Well, DUH! I couldn't find the entry he made where he described
REAL(tm) mountain biking to only be over "knarly" terrain where
he considers only an MTB could pass.
Let's face it Peter, I don't have to make up anything in this
discussion. Mark has a position and he stands by it. And it is
nothing more than elitist snobbery.