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Post by jsarana » Sat, 24 May 2008 10:29:17


.... my daughter's horse, Bentley, has "mild navicular".

To be honest, I've always thought him a prime candidate with his tiny QH
feet and build.

The Good News is that he doesn't have arthritis going on in the pastern or
the fetlock or the coffin....

So, as we need to keep him working sound for another few years, the plan is
"navicular shoeing" and isoxoprene.

Someone today, also told me about an injection of something called Tildren
that they do in Europe more often than here, that costs $1,000 for a series
of 5 shots, and can only be administered once a year or so, but has kept her
navicular horse going well and sound for the last couple of years.  Anyone
hear of that? I'm going to Google it but wondered if there were any more
first hand experiences.

 
 
 

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Post by cind » Sat, 24 May 2008 14:16:36


Quote:
> .... my daughter's horse, Bentley, has "mild navicular".

I'm sorry Jane.  Keep us updated!  Glad there is no arthritis.  How
old is he again?

take care
cindi

 
 
 

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Post by Mary McHug » Sat, 24 May 2008 18:13:45

Quote:

> Someone today, also told me about an injection of something called Tildren
> that they do in Europe more often than here, that costs $1,000 for a series
> of 5 shots, and can only be administered once a year or so, but has kept her
> navicular horse going well and sound for the last couple of years.  Anyone
> hear of that? I'm going to Google it but wondered if there were any more
> first hand experiences.

Sorry to hear about the diagnosis.

If you google Tildren in this group, there were one or two people who
have used it to great success.

Mary

 
 
 

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Post by jsarana » Sat, 24 May 2008 19:44:39



Quote:
> .... my daughter's horse, Bentley, has "mild navicular".

I'm sorry Jane.  Keep us updated!  Glad there is no arthritis.  How
old is he again?

take care
cindi

---

Thanks cindi.  He's about 15 we think.  The vet was surprised it wasn't
worse with his age, use and conformation, in spite of his showing only mild
signs.

 
 
 

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Post by jsarana » Sat, 24 May 2008 19:57:34


Quote:

>> Someone today, also told me about an injection of something called
>> Tildren that they do in Europe more often than here, that costs $1,000
>> for a series of 5 shots, and can only be administered once a year or so,
>> but has kept her navicular horse going well and sound for the last couple
>> of years.  Anyone hear of that? I'm going to Google it but wondered if
>> there were any more first hand experiences.

> Sorry to hear about the diagnosis.

Thanks

Quote:

> If you google Tildren in this group, there were one or two people who have
> used it to great success.

> Mary

I did that... thanks.  I'm going to ask my vet his thoughts.
 
 
 

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Post by Emily Brook » Sat, 24 May 2008 20:59:55


Quote:
> .... my daughter's horse, Bentley, has "mild navicular".

> So, as we need to keep him working sound for another few years, the plan
> is "navicular shoeing" and isoxoprene.

Isoxoprene works for some, not for others. Try it and evaluate. It was no
help for my Spot but bar shoes and good farriery kept him going for a while.
Nerving plus good farriery and bar shoes kept him going and going and going
... until he retired from other causes. Now he eats his soup and keeps the
peace in the pasture. Sherriff Spot!

Emily

 
 
 

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Post by svleop.. » Sat, 24 May 2008 22:15:33


Quote:
> .... my daughter's horse, Bentley, has "mild navicular".

> To be honest, I've always thought him a prime candidate with his tiny QH
> feet and build.

> The Good News is that he doesn't have arthritis going on in the pastern or
> the fetlock or the coffin....

> So, as we need to keep him working sound for another few years, the plan is
> "navicular shoeing" and isoxoprene.

> Someone today, also told me about an injection of something called Tildren
> that they do in Europe more often than here, that costs $1,000 for a series
> of 5 shots, and can only be administered once a year or so, but has kept her
> navicular horse going well and sound for the last couple of years. ?Anyone
> hear of that? I'm going to Google it but wondered if there were any more
> first hand experiences.

Where are you located? MHO, if it is feasible I would get a consult/
evaluation
from Brendan Furlong (http://bwfurlongnj.com/profile.html) He has
advanced
diagnostics and therapies and is also an all around good guy who will
treat
a kid's horse as seriously as he treats an Olympic competitor.

Caudal heel pain can come from a variety of sources. And "navicular
shoes" and
isox may or may not address the issues.

The cost of a top-notch veterinarian's opinion is miniscule if it
means the
difference between a useful horse and a horse who is just sucking up
your
board money every month.

Not sure exactly where you are though so recommendations are tough.

Sue

 
 
 

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Post by Hunte » Sat, 24 May 2008 22:25:53

On Fri, 23 May 2008 07:59:55 -0400, "Emily Brooks"

Quote:

> Now he eats his soup and keeps the
>peace in the pasture. Sherriff Spot!

LOL!!!  "eats his soup"

Reminds me of a funny joke...

On his 90th birthday a man's son decides to surprise him with a
***.  The *** arrives and knocks on the door. Old man answers,
"Yes, what do you want?"

*** says, "I'm here to give you super sex."

The old man says, "Ill take the soup."

<g>

Jane, sorry about the diagnosis.... when I was a kid I spent many
hours on my neighbor's navicular horse before he got too lame to
ride... hopefully Bentley has some good years left.

Hunter

 
 
 

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Post by jsarana » Sat, 24 May 2008 22:31:43


Quote:



>> .... my daughter's horse, Bentley, has "mild navicular".

>> So, as we need to keep him working sound for another few years, the plan
>> is "navicular shoeing" and isoxoprene.

> Isoxoprene works for some, not for others. Try it and evaluate. It was no
> help for my Spot but bar shoes and good farriery kept him going for a
> while. Nerving plus good farriery and bar shoes kept him going and going
> and going ... until he retired from other causes. Now he eats his soup and
> keeps the peace in the pasture. Sherriff Spot!

> Emily

Thanks Emily.  I will try the Isox.  After looking at information on Tildren
if our vet thinks those injections are a good idea we'll do that too.  She
has two shows coming up and we need him sound to jump small things.
 
 
 

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Post by jsarana » Sat, 24 May 2008 22:36:36



Where are you located? MHO, if it is feasible I would get a consult/
evaluation
from Brendan Furlong (http://bwfurlongnj.com/profile.html) He has
advanced
diagnostics and therapies and is also an all around good guy who will
treat
a kid's horse as seriously as he treats an Olympic competitor.

----------

Hi Sue,
Thanks for the recommendation.  We have a great vet though, they do top
notch stuff and they work cooperatively with New Bolton on cutting edge
things.  I am going to ask about Tildren.  Do you know anyone who's done
those injections, and how they felt about the results?

 
 
 

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Post by Splas » Sun, 25 May 2008 00:35:42


Quote:



> Where are you located? MHO, if it is feasible I would get a consult/
> evaluation
> from Brendan Furlong (http://bwfurlongnj.com/profile.html) He has
> advanced
> diagnostics and therapies and is also an all around good guy who will
> treat
> a kid's horse as seriously as he treats an Olympic competitor.

> ----------

> Hi Sue,
> Thanks for the recommendation. ?We have a great vet though, they do top
> notch stuff and they work cooperatively with New Bolton on cutting edge
> things. ?I am going to ask about Tildren. ?Do you know anyone who's done
> those injections, and how they felt about the results?

Hmmmm? There is a good article on Tildren in this months Canadian
Horse magazine.  It is about to be OKed for use in Canada.  From what
I understood from the article is that it DOESN'T treat actual
navicular.  I gathered that heel pain can be caused by other changes
to the hoof, that IF the actual navicular bone IS damaged Tildren
won't/can't help.  I gather only xrays can/will tell.  But it CAN'T
repair navilular damage, only heel damage often but wrongly attributed
to navicular.

I could have read it wrong.  I wasn't reading it with a personal
interest.

Best of luck.

Splash

 
 
 

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Post by jsarana » Sun, 25 May 2008 01:17:16


Hmmmm? There is a good article on Tildren in this months Canadian
Horse magazine.  It is about to be OKed for use in Canada.  From what
I understood from the article is that it DOESN'T treat actual
navicular.  I gathered that heel pain can be caused by other changes
to the hoof, that IF the actual navicular bone IS damaged Tildren
won't/can't help.  I gather only xrays can/will tell.  But it CAN'T
repair navilular damage, only heel damage often but wrongly attributed
to navicular.

I could have read it wrong.  I wasn't reading it with a personal
interest.

Best of luck.

Splash
---------

Thank you.  I did read too in my voyages last night that it might be of
benefit to caudal heels more so than navicular disease; also that it may
prevent further degeneration but won't reverse conditions.  I'll leave it to
Erik to decide (the vet).  When he calls I will also be asking him about
shockwave therapy. This little guy of ours is such a trooper.

You know what's funny, he just started showing this lameness in recent days
when my daughter started doing dressage with him and getting him rounder...
he was always very much a plop along on the forehand QH and never showed
pain so one of the trainers was really surprised that using his back end
more he is showing pain in his fronts... but on thinking about it, Bentley
is very much a traveler on his toes usually which may have been related to
the navicular, and I am wondering if using his hind end more sort of forced
him to land more on his heels and so the issue came to a head.  Don't
know... just pondering... anyway, thanks for the thoughts.