Retraining Hollow Horse (ws Sitting the Trot)

Retraining Hollow Horse (ws Sitting the Trot)

Post by kcarr.. » Thu, 31 Aug 1995 04:00:00



Quote:
(Sheila Green) writes:
> The problem is the spineless, thoughtless attitude of so many
> judges, who forget that they are influencing the trends of  
> tomorrow and succumb to the temptation to take the easy
> way out and hand ribbons to people just to avoid any hint
> of controversy.  This does no one any good, and leads to
> the type of foolishness and cruelty people won't hesitate
> to apply to horses in pursuit of such unqualified recognition.

The business of competition is the problem and always will be. Showing gives  
showing a bad name and it isn't the judges' fault any more or less than it  
is everyone elses. One can find plenty bad to say about trainers and riders.  
Quit ***ing and become a judge.

Quote:
> That 'cyclone' is them preschoolers.  Geez.  It's a good thing I'm
> not a biological parent, I'd be eyeing up the larger sizes of  
> kennel cages ...

Sheila, I keep telling you the cages are for you. To lock the kids OUT. This  
is an advanced parenting technique offered gratis to rec.eqers.

Quote:

> >Besides, I've learned a lot about raising kids from years of training
> >horses.  Love them and treat them with respect.  Expect respect in
> >return, and nip disobedience in the bud. (I'd mention the lesson of
> >the leg, but I don't think I could take the flak ;-))  

Karen, shouldn't that read train kids and raise horses?

Quote:
> Whatever you do, be sure not to mention that
> the horse must be permitted to live in the comfortable understanding
> that the rider is boss.

And this folks is where the parent/rider metaphore breaks down.


 
 
 

Retraining Hollow Horse (ws Sitting the Trot)

Post by Sheila Gre » Thu, 31 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>Subject: Re: Retraining Hollow Horse (ws Sitting the Trot)
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 02:36:29 GMT

>>So, you =are= renaming him "Gumby", right?  

>>(I've already got "Pokey" here.)  

>No... His stable name was "Moose", which I really couldn't see for the
>smallest horse I've ever owned.  But Gumby was a little too
>undignified.  His registered name is R.D. American Magic (I know,
>yuck!  But I can't do anything about that one :-() so we settled on
>Merlin.

That is a great name.  (Does this mean =I'm= allowed to use
"Gumby", now?)

Quote:
>>That hasn't always been the case.  Long ago, the horse's  
>>sensibility came right up there along with his athletic ability  
>>and sparkle as a priority.  Now a bunch of people reproduce  
>>what they think is showiness without the nice practical use  
>>of the animal's mind involved.  A horse can produce a truly  
>>maximal physical effort without being upset or wazzed out,  
>>and the best trainers still know that.  

>That's good to know.  I haven't seen much of it though.  In fact, I've
>seen class after class where horses that have exploded, broken, and
>taken wrong leads in front of the judges nose were excused their
>"mistakes" as long as they could flap their feet higher.  They often
>pinned above horses that from my (admittedly sport horse oriented)
>perspective were better movers, going brightly forward, and obedient.

Well, I think you've brought this discussion around to the one
faction which bears the brunt of blame (and rightfully so) for
the travesty which showing has become in the gaited horse
sphere.  I've learned firsthand that judging is a job which
will leave you with part of the crowd wanting to shake yer
hand and the other part wanting to call ya names.  If you
can't take the heat, you should get out of the proverbial
kitchen, eh?

The problem is the spineless, thoughtless attitude of so many
judges, who forget that they are influencing the trends of  
tomorrow and succumb to the temptation to take the easy
way out and hand ribbons to people just to avoid any hint
of controversy.  This does no one any good, and leads to
the type of foolishness and cruelty people won't hesitate
to apply to horses in pursuit of such unqualified recognition.

Quote:
>>I like to put such horses, like young growing stock, in very deep  
>>bedding, too.  I think they rest better, and grow better, with the  
>>chance to stretch out on a super cushy pile of shavings or hay.  

>One of the advantages of keeping my horses at home is that I can spoil
>'em as much as I want.  They always have good deep beds.  Merlin's
>stall is *** matted underneath as well.

I wanna be reincarnated as one of your horses when I die ...

Quote:
>>Er, "pre-school"?   <backing away in apprehension>  
>>You mean, like, LITTLE KIDS ?!?    Whoa.  And you're so, well,  
>>so SANE sounding, so composed.  

>I hope C***te doesn't read this... she will immediately dissuade
>you of the notion that I am sane _or_ composed.  I _used_ to be...
>then I had kids.  My horses are responsible for the small vestiges of
>sanity that I still possess.  

God Bless 'em.

Quote:
>>You ARE a brave woman.  Horses are the relief you both deserve  
>>and undoubtedly NEED.  

>My barn is my exclusive domain.  My house may look like a cyclone went
>through it at times, but my  BARN is always swept and tidy.<g>

That 'cyclone' is them preschoolers.  Geez.  It's a good thing I'm
not a biological parent, I'd be eyeing up the larger sizes of  
kennel cages ...

Quote:
>Besides, I've learned a lot about raising kids from years of training
>horses.  Love them and treat them with respect.  Expect respect in
>return, and nip disobedience in the bud. (I'd mention the lesson of
>the leg, but I don't think I could take the flak ;-))  

NO!  DON'T!  Whatever you do, don't mention the lesson of the leg.
The bleedin heart AR clueless will jump all over you like a horde of
lilliputians and tie yer whip to yer spurs.  Then, yer horses will decide
to ask you if you really mean it over and over any time yer tryin to
get anything done.  Whatever you do, be sure not to mention that
the horse must be permitted to live in the comfortable understanding
that the rider is boss.    

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Post by Phetsy Caldero » Thu, 31 Aug 1995 04:00:00

Quote:


>(Phetsy Calderon) writes:
>>Jeez, I go to New Mexico for a few days & find out the whole group's
>>gone bleedin' heart on me. I say "get Western" with those uppity
>>critters and go after 'em with a doubled-up lass rope (although I
>>have found that a double scoop of Haagen Daazs Vanilla with rainbow
>>sprinkles will do wonders with kids in a pinch.)
>Gee, if you believe a "doubled-up (just what the hell is a) lass rope,

To answer a reasonable question, "lass rope" is dialect for "lasso" or
catch rope. The particular phrase refers to holding both sides of the
loop in one hand & applying it to a given object.

Quote:
>then I have some prime farm land in West Texas I'd like to sell you.:-)

I'll trade you the West Texas land for some prime permanent
pasture in the Tehachapis.

Quote:
>Not all cowboys are ***s and not all asshoes are cowboys.

My goodness, if I were prone to take offense, I'd get absolutely riled
at the implications of this line. Being happy from a pleasant vacation,
I might just choose to

  A) mumble something about those lacking in an appreciation for irony
  B) whimper apologetically about not inserting sufficient smileys  
  C) Note that the phrase ' the humor-impaired' might  be substituted for
       'cowboys' in the quoted line..
  D) State for the record that I have a bunch of nieces and nephews who
        do associate me with Haagen Daz, going riding, & other fun stuff.

On second thought, scratch B. I think I'll go out and belabor my *Morafic
gelding with a 2X4 now: he's so much more fun to ride in a killing
frenzy.

Phetsy
Living up to everybody's favorite stereotypes in
Livermore, California

 
 
 

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Post by Sheila Gre » Thu, 31 Aug 1995 04:00:00

On Thu, 31 Aug 1995 in article <Re: Retraining Hollow Horse (ws Sitting the

Quote:


>>One of the advantages of keeping my horses at home is that I can spoil
>>'em as much as I want.  They always have good deep beds.  Merlin's
>>stall is *** matted underneath as well.

>One of the reasons that Karen's is the only place Tiger goes other
>than home....Auntie Karen's summer camp for dressage ponies....

I'll be sending a vanload, Karen, they'll be arriving shortly.

Quote:
>>>Er, "pre-school"?   <backing away in apprehension>  
>>>You mean, like, LITTLE KIDS ?!?    Whoa.  And you're so, well,  
>>>so SANE sounding, so composed.  

>It's a front.  

>>I hope C***te doesn't read this... she will immediately dissuade
>>you of the notion that I am sane _or_ composed.  I _used_ to be...
>>then I had kids.  My horses are responsible for the small vestiges of
>>sanity that I still possess.  

I just knew she'd see this.

Quote:
>Nah, she was never *really* sane, though she does do a much better job
>of passing for normal on the street than I'm able to.

A more important quality than many people stop to consider ;->

Quote:
>>My barn is my exclusive domain.  My house may look like a cyclone went
>>through it at times, but my  BARN is always swept and tidy.<g>

>This is quite misleading. Her house on a bad day looks like mine on a
>good one...but then again, *I'm* the one with all the back issues of
>every magazine you ever wish you'd saved. My contribution to the
>footing in Karen's  ring...(Yeah, I've got that article on putting in
>rings. Wait a second. It's about 18 " from the top in this pile
>here....)

I gotcha both beat.  In addition to the laissez faire domestic policy
and the literary material ***, I got this sleddog cross who sheds
COPIOUSLY and CONSTANTLY, and happens to be white.

Quote:
>And she's not really raising kids--she's breeding grooms....and
>someone to ride Tiger in the small junior hunters....

Finally.

All my life I've been waiting for somebody to come up
with a REAL reason for rugrats.

The things we learn here!

--

Ramener Ridge Farm Freedom PA 15042-9661
Advanced Information Management Systems Inc

 
 
 

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Post by LnsmDove » Thu, 31 Aug 1995 04:00:00


Quote:

>Subject:    Re: Retraining Hollow Horse (ws Sitting the Trot)

>Date:       30 Aug 1995 23:49:23 GMT

In what dialect?  Gotta admit I never heard that one before and being a
roper pretty much thought I had the terminology covered.

  A) mumble something about those lacking in an appreciation for irony

You'll have to pardon my ignorance but I missed the irony part, all I
caught was the implications that this is your perception of how us
"Western" folk treat our horses, when in reality this is the way we treat
people that insult us ;-)

) whimper apologetically about not inserting sufficient smileys  

Having enjoyed your previous posts, I never thought whimpering would be
your style anyway.  Causticly humorous yes...whimpering no...and smileys
do help.

  C) Note that the phrase ' the humor-impaired' might  be substituted for
       'cowboys' in the quoted line..

I'm not humor impaired.......I just didn't find anything amusing about the
line.

 D) State for the record that I have a bunch of nieces and nephews who
        do associate me with Haagen Daz, going riding, & other fun stuff.

Have decided to attribute the remark to a Haagen Daz induced "sugar high"
and will overlook it and apologize for the cowboy line.  Hope you had a
nice vacation and a nice ride.

Susan Dangar
Standan Quarter Horses

 
 
 

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Post by Phetsy Calder » Thu, 31 Aug 1995 04:00:00


Quote:


> >Besides, I've learned a lot about raising kids from years of training
> >horses.  Love them and treat them with respect.  Expect respect in
> >return, and nip disobedience in the bud. (I'd mention the lesson of
> >the leg, but I don't think I could take the flak ;-))  

> NO!  DON'T!  Whatever you do, don't mention the lesson of the leg.

Jeez, I go to New Mexico for a few days & find out the whole group's
gone bleedin' heart on me. I say "get Western" with those uppity
critters and go after 'em with a doubled-up lass rope (although I
have found that a double scoop of Haagen Daazs Vanilla with rainbow
sprinkles will do wonders with kids in a pinch.)

Phetsy

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The only native Californian on the planet who knows
that Chardonnay is carbolic acid's secret ID.

 
 
 

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Post by LnsmDove » Fri, 01 Sep 1995 04:00:00


Quote:
(C.M.Newell) writes:
>Subject:    Re: Retraining Hollow Horse (ws Sitting the Trot)

>Date:       Thu, 31 Aug 1995 06:29:16 GMT


>>You'll have to pardon my ignorance but I missed the irony part, all I
>>caught was the implications that this is your perception of how us
>>"Western" folk treat our horses, when in reality this is the way we
treat
>>people that insult us ;-)

>You obviously haven't been in town long enough to know that Phetsy
>here is the genuine article. Western folk, that is.
>                               --CM (Swamp Yankee ) Newell

Nope, I haven't and as I said, I've enjoyed the previous posts from
Phetsey.  I just had kind of a crappy day and again, I apologize.  I was
out of line.

Susan Dangar
Standan Quarter Horses

 
 
 

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Post by Phetsy Caldero » Fri, 01 Sep 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>Have decided to attribute the remark to a Haagen Daz induced "sugar high"
>and will overlook it and apologize for the cowboy line.  Hope you had a
>nice vacation and a nice ride.

Forgiven. Forgotten.

Yup, New Mexico was muy, muy fun. I'll get specific in another thread,
'cause I want to say nice things about hospitality extended by a couple
of rec.eq'ers.

Phetsy

 
 
 

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Post by C.M.Newe » Fri, 01 Sep 1995 04:00:00

Quote:


>>                               --CM (Swamp Yankee ) Newell
>C***te, I need some education: what the Sam Hill is a
>Swamp Yankee?
>Phetsy

        Northern redneck.  Origin along the lines of :old families who went
broke long enough ago that we sold all of the decent land to
newcomers, and now live in the swamp...
        Course my place is only a swamp during mudseason....
        Example: One day when I was a kid, we were driving through Wellesley.
There is a big old gorgeous mansion on a sloping hill, with a portic
for carriages to drive through, etc. My mother said, "See that house?
Your great grandfather.......(mounting e***ment on my part)....
was the coachman there."
                      For a more extreme, but accurate picture, read
Carolyn Chute. (hell, read her anyway. She's a terrific writer.)
                                                    ---CMN
 
 
 

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Post by Karen Randa » Fri, 01 Sep 1995 04:00:00

Quote:


>>Subject: Re: Retraining Hollow Horse (ws Sitting the Trot)
>>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 02:36:29 GMT


>That is a great name.  (Does this mean =I'm= allowed to use
>"Gumby", now?)

Sure!  If you've got Pokey, you _need_ Gumby.

Quote:
>Well, I think you've brought this discussion around to the one
>faction which bears the brunt of blame (and rightfully so) for
>the travesty which showing has become in the gaited horse
>sphere.  I've learned firsthand that judging is a job which
>will leave you with part of the crowd wanting to shake yer
>hand and the other part wanting to call ya names.  If you
>can't take the heat, you should get out of the proverbial
>kitchen, eh?

>The problem is the spineless, thoughtless attitude of so many
>judges, who forget that they are influencing the trends of  
>tomorrow and succumb to the temptation to take the easy
>way out and hand ribbons to people just to avoid any hint
>of controversy.  This does no one any good, and leads to
>the type of foolishness and cruelty people won't hesitate
>to apply to horses in pursuit of such unqualified recognition.

Funny thing  is that it's the good, fair judges (like Peter Cameron)
that _most_ people want to show under.  So why does show management
hire the other kind?  Because of the vocal few "big guy" trainers?  I
think the growth of the amateur and pleasure divisions where owners
can ride their horses, and the dwindling away of Park and other
"professional" classes illustrates where the majority interest lies.

Quote:
>>My barn is my exclusive domain.  My house may look like a cyclone went
>>through it at times, but my  BARN is always swept and tidy.<g>

>That 'cyclone' is them preschoolers.  Geez.  It's a good thing I'm
>not a biological parent, I'd be eyeing up the larger sizes of  
>kennel cages ...

Oh! you're forgetting the large economy sized cyclone... my husband.
And I don't think they make kennel cages big enough for him. I don't
even _both_ picking up on the weekends.  I wait till he goes back to
work on Monday, then "muck out".

Quote:
>>Besides, I've learned a lot about raising kids from years of training
>>horses.  Love them and treat them with respect.  Expect respect in
>>return, and nip disobedience in the bud. (I'd mention the lesson of
>>the leg, but I don't think I could take the flak ;-))  

>NO!  DON'T!  Whatever you do, don't mention the lesson of the leg.
>The bleedin heart AR clueless will jump all over you like a horde of
>lilliputians and tie yer whip to yer spurs.  Then, yer horses will decide
>to ask you if you really mean it over and over any time yer tryin to
>get anything done.  Whatever you do, be sure not to mention that
>the horse must be permitted to live in the comfortable understanding
>that the rider is boss.    

Well, undisciplined horses are more dangerous than undisciplined lap
dogs, but neither is as dangerous as what an undisciplined child might
turn into ;-)

Karen Randall

 
 
 

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Post by Karen Randa » Fri, 01 Sep 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>> That 'cyclone' is them preschoolers.  Geez.  It's a good thing I'm
>> not a biological parent, I'd be eyeing up the larger sizes of  
>> kennel cages ...

>Sheila, I keep telling you the cages are for you. To lock the kids OUT. This  
>is an advanced parenting technique offered gratis to rec.eqers.

A freind of mine (and C***te's) recently moved his farm to a
property that was once a zoo.  He has offered me the use of his tiger
cages any time we come to visit.  Now, did he mean that I could lock
the kids in there?  Or that we could retreat to the relative safety of
the tiger cages in an emergency?

Quote:
>Karen, shouldn't that read train kids and raise horses?

I don't like raising horses.  I leave that to C***te.  As far as
I'm concerned, the only thing more obnoxious than a 2 year old human
is a 2 year old horse.

Quote:
>> Whatever you do, be sure not to mention that
>> the horse must be permitted to live in the comfortable understanding
>> that the rider is boss.
>And this folks is where the parent/rider metaphore breaks down.

Not completely.  While it is important to recognise that children are
"people" deserving of respect, with their own right, thoughts and
feelings, at the youngest stages (where mine are) obedience "just
because I said so" is important too.  When a small child darts toward
a moving car, you'd better have instilled the need for immediate
obedience.  There's no time to say, "dear, please don't move in front
of that large moving vehicle, it could do serious damage to your small
person, and I wouldn't want to see you get hurt!"

Freedom to make decisions can only be granted as the child develops to
the point that they can use that freedom responsibly.  That's where it
pays to have a brain bigger than a walnut. ;-)

Karen Randall

 
 
 

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Post by Sheila Gre » Fri, 01 Sep 1995 04:00:00

On 30 Aug 1995 in article <Re: RE: Retraining Hollow Horse (ws Sitting the

Quote:


>(Sheila Green) writes:
>> The problem is the spineless, thoughtless attitude of so many  
>> judges, who forget that they are influencing the trends of  
>> tomorrow and succumb to the temptation to take the easy  
>> way out and hand ribbons to people just to avoid any hint  
>> of controversy.  This does no one any good, and leads to  
>> the type of foolishness and cruelty people won't hesitate  
>> to apply to horses in pursuit of such unqualified recognition.  

>The business of competition is the problem and always will be. Showing
gives  
>showing a bad name and it isn't the judges' fault any more or less than it
>is everyone elses. One can find plenty bad to say about trainers and
riders.  
>Quit ***ing and become a judge.

(Been one, for a long time.  I do it right, too.  Still at it.)

Quit ***ing?  You gotta be kidding ...

Quote:
>> That 'cyclone' is them preschoolers.  Geez.  It's a good thing I'm  
>> not a biological parent, I'd be eyeing up the larger sizes of  
>> kennel cages ...  

>Sheila, I keep telling you the cages are for you. To lock the kids OUT.
This  
>is an advanced parenting technique offered gratis to rec.eqers.

Why, thank you.  I do believe that will help immensely.

Quote:
>> >Besides, I've learned a lot about raising kids from years of training  
>> >horses.  Love them and treat them with respect.  Expect respect in  
>> >return, and nip disobedience in the bud. (I'd mention the lesson of  
>> >the leg, but I don't think I could take the flak ;-))    

>Karen, shouldn't that read train kids and raise horses?  

>> Whatever you do, be sure not to mention that  
>> the horse must be permitted to live in the comfortable understanding  
>> that the rider is boss.

>And this folks is where the parent/rider metaphore breaks down.

And I was hoping to see some mileage on it, too.
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Ramener Ridge Farm Freedom PA 15042-9661
Advanced Information Management Systems Inc
 
 
 

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Post by C.M.Newe » Fri, 01 Sep 1995 04:00:00

Quote:

>You'll have to pardon my ignorance but I missed the irony part, all I
>caught was the implications that this is your perception of how us
>"Western" folk treat our horses, when in reality this is the way we treat
>people that insult us ;-)

You obviously haven't been in town long enough to know that Phetsy
here is the genuine article. Western folk, that is.
                               --CM (Swamp Yankee ) Newell

"A walker after midnight/In another kind of light
I do not trust to reason/And I cannot trust to sight
I do not trust to messengers/With bright and shining eyes
I do not trust the foolish/And I dare not trust the wise"
                    --R.Hunter