Standardbred - Racking Question

Standardbred - Racking Question

Post by Donn » Fri, 07 Feb 1997 04:00:00


I own a 9 year old Standardbred Gelding.  Most of the time, I use him as a
racking horse.  He is currently a fine and fast racker.  He carries himself
very nice and I have not had any gait problems with him, but I wish he
would exaggerate the lifting of his front legs just a little more.

A friend of mine, who owns over 15 Standardbreds, suggested that I tell my
farrier to "give him a little toe."  He said that this could be
accomplished by decreasing the 45 degree angle of the foot to around 39
degrees.  

My Questions:

1.  Would decreasing the angle help him exaggerate his movements and make
him a better racker?  

2.  Would this cause the horse to be uncomfortable?

I currently shoe him with #1 Toe Weights on the front and #2 Half
Round-Half Wedge's on the rear.

Please post your response to the newsgroup because the e-mail address on
this server is not my own.  Thank you in advance for your help and
advice!!!

Donna

 
 
 

Standardbred - Racking Question

Post by Hoof-N-I » Sat, 08 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Donna,

I own 2 STB's who also rack, although by the sounds of it they are not
as flashy as your guy. I've not had them long, so we will work on that
later. I can give you a name and number of a contact person who may be
able to help you with this. Please e-mail me privately with another way
to get in touch with you for her number.
--
?Debra Smith 1996        Keepin The Pace


 
 
 

Standardbred - Racking Question

Post by toble » Mon, 10 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I own a 9 year old Standardbred Gelding.  Most of the time, I use him as a
> racking horse.  He is currently a fine and fast racker.  He carries himself
> very nice and I have not had any gait problems with him, but I wish he
> would exaggerate the lifting of his front legs just a little more.

> A friend of mine, who owns over 15 Standardbreds, suggested that I tell my
> farrier to "give him a little toe."  He said that this could be
> accomplished by decreasing the 45 degree angle of the foot to around 39
> degrees.

> My Questions:

> 1.  Would decreasing the angle help him exaggerate his movements and make
> him a better racker?

> 2.  Would this cause the horse to be uncomfortable?

> I currently shoe him with #1 Toe Weights on the front and #2 Half
> Round-Half Wedge's on the rear.

> Please post your response to the newsgroup because the e-mail address on
> this server is not my own.  Thank you in advance for your help and
> advice!!!

> Donna

Are you showing this horse, Donna?  Is that why you'd like a little more
motion?  I ask because, as a road-rider of plain shod Saddlebreds, it's
been my experience that it takes very little to throw a good racker off
his***.  If your guy is a "fine and fast racker" I would hesitate
attempting to fix what ain't broke.

However, that said, I believe I'd leave a horse's angles as natural as
possible and simply try for some higher action by weighting the heels.
The general rule of thumb is that weighting the toe increases reach and
weighting the heel increases motion.

Have you tried rattles or light chains?

Wendy

 
 
 

Standardbred - Racking Question

Post by Highland » Mon, 10 Feb 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>I own a 9 year old Standardbred Gelding.  Most of the time, I use him as a
>racking horse.  He is currently a fine and fast racker.  He carries himself
>very nice and I have not had any gait problems with him, but I wish he
>would exaggerate the lifting of his front legs just a little more.
>A friend of mine, who owns over 15 Standardbreds, suggested that I tell my
>farrier to "give him a little toe."  He said that this could be
>accomplished by decreasing the 45 degree angle of the foot to around 39
>degrees.  
>My Questions:
>1.  Would decreasing the angle help him exaggerate his movements and make
>him a better racker?  
>2.  Would this cause the horse to be uncomfortable?
>I currently shoe him with #1 Toe Weights on the front and #2 Half
>Round-Half Wedge's on the rear.
>Please post your response to the newsgroup because the e-mail address on
>this server is not my own.  Thank you in advance for your help and
>advice!!!
>Donna

I thought racking was a breed of horse. I have a standardbred and she
has a strange trot.. her lope is normal tho i think, my mom mostly
rides her. Can horses be taught to rack?
 
 
 

Standardbred - Racking Question

Post by Donn » Thu, 13 Feb 1997 04:00:00



Quote:

> >I own a 9 year old Standardbred Gelding.  Most of the time, I use him as
a
> >racking horse.  He is currently a fine and fast racker.  He carries
himself
> >very nice and I have not had any gait problems with him, but I wish he
> >would exaggerate the lifting of his front legs just a little more.

> >A friend of mine, who owns over 15 Standardbreds, suggested that I tell
my
> >farrier to "give him a little toe."  He said that this could be
> >accomplished by decreasing the 45 degree angle of the foot to around 39
> >degrees.  

> >My Questions:

> >1.  Would decreasing the angle help him exaggerate his movements and
make
> >him a better racker?  

> >2.  Would this cause the horse to be uncomfortable?

> >I currently shoe him with #1 Toe Weights on the front and #2 Half
> >Round-Half Wedge's on the rear.

> >Please post your response to the newsgroup because the e-mail address on
> >this server is not my own.  Thank you in advance for your help and
> >advice!!!

> >Donna
> I thought racking was a breed of horse. I have a standardbred and she
> has a strange trot.. her lope is normal tho i think, my mom mostly
> rides her. Can horses be taught to rack?

Yes, Standardbreds can be taught to rack.  Of course, there is a racking
horse breed.  Some are born with a natural rack.  In my area, SC, almost
all Standardbreds are used for racking or pacing.  My horse has a very,
very, very smooth rack.  He can rack upwards of about 20 mph and up to 14
mph without a shoe on his foot.  My brother also has two Standardbreds, one
of which has been clocked racking upwards of about 30 mph.  Yes, 30 MPH!!!
I have about 10 neighbors that own Standardbreds for a grand total of about
60 Standardbreds within 5 miles of my home.  ALL of them are used for
racking or pulling buggies (pacing).  All of Standardbreds, that I know of,
that rack are not encouraged to lope for fear of making the horse confused
and starting gait problems.

Donna

 
 
 

Standardbred - Racking Question

Post by Rosie700 » Thu, 13 Feb 1997 04:00:00

We've raced standarbreds for 20 years and I've never heard of a 39 degree
angle in front.  I'm not quite sure what you are trying to achieve, but if
you're trying to get more action in front, you might try a 9/16" 1/2
round.  This will cause the horse to break over faster which should pick
his feet up.  If this isn't what you're trying to accomplish, please
explain further and I will try to help, if I can.

 
 
 

Standardbred - Racking Question

Post by Donn » Fri, 14 Feb 1997 04:00:00

I can't find my original post in the newsgroup to view exactly the way I
explained the 39 degree angle, but let me try again.  I am referring to the
amount of angle that the farrier would trim the hoof to.  My farrier will
check the angle of the hoof after t*** by measuring it with a angle
device that has a horseshoe on the bottom and an angle gauge in the front
center of the shoe.  (This item can be bought in any farrier supply store.)
 He will place this under his foot and adjust the angle to check the degree
at which it is cut.  If the horses foot is not cut to the suggested angle
for that particular horse he will trim off of the toe or heel until the
hoof measures the correct angle.  Most horses are trimmed to a 45 degree
angle to ensure of proper alignment of the leg and hoof.   Some horses are
trimmed at other angles to compensate for deformaties of the hoof.  I
suppose what I am trying to do is bring him down at the heel of his hoof
with a longer toe to exagerrate his racking movements.  (Most Tennesee
Walkers are cut this way.)  I asked my farrier if this would cause any
stress to the leg or hoof and he said "no."  What  would your opnion be in
this matter?  I hope that I have explained it a little bit better.

Thanks,
Donna

 
 
 

Standardbred - Racking Question

Post by Duncan Fletche » Tue, 04 Mar 1997 04:00:00

I have not seen the horse, but 45 degrees is already a fairly low angle.
Assuming this is the approximate natural angle of the pastern, dropping 6
degrees sounds like a recipe for long term soundness problems. Unnaturally
low angles put greater strain on the tendons. It will also encurage
underrun heels.

--
Duncan Fletcher
Who has been battling to get his Peruvians up to 51 degrees

--
Duncan Fletcher



Quote:
> I own a 9 year old Standardbred Gelding.  Most of the time, I use him as
a
> racking horse.  He is currently a fine and fast racker.  He carries
himself
> very nice and I have not had any gait problems with him, but I wish he
> would exaggerate the lifting of his front legs just a little more.

> A friend of mine, who owns over 15 Standardbreds, suggested that I tell
my
> farrier to "give him a little toe."  He said that this could be
> accomplished by decreasing the 45 degree angle of the foot to around 39
> degrees.  

> My Questions:

> 1.  Would decreasing the angle help him exaggerate his movements and make
> him a better racker?  

> 2.  Would this cause the horse to be uncomfortable?

> I currently shoe him with #1 Toe Weights on the front and #2 Half
> Round-Half Wedge's on the rear.

> Please post your response to the newsgroup because the e-mail address on
> this server is not my own.  Thank you in advance for your help and
> advice!!!

> Donna