| > Yes I understand the aiding is different but I am trying to understand
| > the movements are oriented w.r.t. the long side. When doing HP left,
| > is physically closer to the left wall at all times, the horse's haunches
| > the shoulders?
Okay that is what I'm describing as "looking like" SI. Let's say you were
dong SI left down centerline. The shoulders would be physically closer to
the left wall than the haunches, EXACTLY as in HP left.
Now if you were to come down centerline again in travers left, the haunches
would be physically closer to the left wall, NOT the case with HP left.
That's all I'm saying.
Maybe I don't understand the term "leading." When I saying leading, I mean
the part of the body that is physically closer to the wall you are moving
towards. I therefore can't understand saying that HP is travers on a
| The horse should have his nose at the apex of the whole bend of
| the body.
| o (head)
| / (body)
| / (haunches)
That's looking like Sharon P., description to me.
| Nose first, bend in body, haunches right to the inside of leading nose. If
| you lead with the haunches you are taking away the lightening of the
| forehand and the shoulder rotation which is your goal when you are using
| this as a strenghtening exercise. The haunches will be carrying too much
| the load, it should be even loading on all four feet.
| The hind leg crossing is a by product, it is the shoulder rotation you are
| working on. Many people think (way too many) this is a leg exercise, it is
| not. You see everyone likes to think they are increasing flexion of the
| hind leg, well, you are to a certain degree, but horses only have a
| amount they can flex in the fixed hock joint. What they have is more
| infinite power to increase is the muscle sling around the shoulders and
| thorax region, this can be increased far more by rotation than any other
| exercise. The horse has to rotate the sling in order to raise the muscles,
| and increase his flexion in the rest of his body. These muscles are your
| core for collection, stronger shoulder sling means more raising at the
| withers and far easier to connect to the back for the horse. The horse has
| to 'come around' his body, swing his muscles in a rotation which
| strength, which increases the whole muscle mass on each side of the body,
| and ultimately the large muscles around the femur. Once the muscles around
| the femur can carry more, the horse will increase his stamina to the hind
| leg which will now carry more weight, and let the horse go into collection
| more easily through the entire body.
That's a great description. HP just looks like it takes so much strength,
expecially to do it flowingly and floatingly. The horse has to build up to
it and has to be quite strong.
| Many things are going on. Biomechanically the whole horse is involved in
| SI, and it's counter part huanches in or HP, It is far more important to
| very diligent on the bend through the entire body while doing these
| exercises. If you only bend the neck in the swing does not take place. If
| you only cross the hind legs you do not get the power to the shoulder
| If you do not make the nose the leader of the flow you stop the flow of
| muscle energy at the withers, and it does not flow to the side muscles of
| the horse. Whew___again! My best advice, make it a goal to do these things
| often and correctly and your riding will improve tenfold.
I'm not working on HP and won't be for some time. I just asked because this
has been bothering me for a few years, since I starting auditing the upper
level lessons in Canada and then more so when I was grounding for my former
instructor down here and then reading that HP is travers on a diagonal.
Segueing from rehab into regular work, I am working on stretching each side
of body, getting the horse working evenly into the reins and then
consistently standing on the outside rein, moving straight. I have been
working up to serpentines with correct change of bend. When the school
figures are more consistent, we'll move on to some bending work on a line
| Another problem with lateral exercises is the lack of 'forward', or the
| time in learning the movement. Do not worry about this, get the bend
| then take one step at a time in correct alignment, this will be easier
| rushing through SI or HI in hurried steps and will make the horse learn
| exercise before increasing amplitude or speed. You can walk for a couple
| weeks before trotting, mainly to get all your _hit together. :)
I rode a few HPs on a first level horse once (heh). It felt like we entered
a vat of molasses or suddenly gong slo-mo as we were HPing. Neither the
horse nor I ever did a HP but I can follow aiding directions and I was
riding the most obedient horse on the planet. I'd score it a 3 or 4. ; )
Thanks for the explanations that even a naif can understand. : )