while I wait to hear from the vet...

while I wait to hear from the vet...

Post by Cind » Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:44:33


Anybody know what this might mean?  Horse sticks his neck way
out, long and low, and twists his head to the side, and opens
his mouth and wiggles his jaw around.  Does it at liberty a
tiny bit, in hand a bit more, on the lunge a bit more, and under
saddle a lot, and more when in the bridle than when in the halter,
but he does do it in the halter.  I'm guessing mouth/teeth issue,
or neck/spine issue.  He doesn't have any detectable back soreness
and in fact doesn't seem to be sore anywhere from poll to tail.  
I've stuck my fingers in his mouth as has the trainer and we both
feel like his teeth are OK to so-so as far as regular floating
concerns, but maybe he's got some other more sinister tooth
problem, or horsey TMJ...

I don't think it's fitness/conditioning related... He's in
pretty good shape for the light work he's been doing - w/t/c
4 to 5 days per week with maybe 10-15 minutes at the trot and
15-25 at the lope, the rest at the walk for a total of 50 or
so minutes.

He just started it today.  He can do it at the lope, and it
looks dang funny to see a horse loping with his neck super
long and low and his head sideways.  He will quit when asked
to bring his nose back in and doesn't get upset or mad - just
tries again later.  He won't try to take the reins away from
his rider to do it; he just does it when he's on a loose rein.  
Anyway, the vet is closed for T-day, and is scheduled to come
out on Dec 1 for floating.  I'm thinking this can wait until
then, but in the meantime, anybody have any guesses?  He is
the one with the old knee injury but he's not lame and is not
sore when palpating it.  

thanks
cindi

 
 
 

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Post by Cher » Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:15:46

I'm guessing it's teeth.  This summer my 3 y.o. started doing exactly
this one day and I was freaked out.  Loaded him up and took him to the
clinic.  It was his teeth, the vet floated them, and he was fine.
   Cheryl
Quote:

> Anybody know what this might mean?  Horse sticks his neck way
> out, long and low, and twists his head to the side, and opens
> his mouth and wiggles his jaw around.  Does it at liberty a
> tiny bit, in hand a bit more, on the lunge a bit more, and under
> saddle a lot, and more when in the bridle than when in the halter,
> but he does do it in the halter.  I'm guessing mouth/teeth issue,


 
 
 

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Post by Jim Case » Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:27:18

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> Anybody know what this might mean?  Horse sticks his neck way
> out, long and low, and twists his head to the side, and opens
> his mouth and wiggles his jaw around.  

The way you describe it, it sounds like a submission posture.

What are his eyes and ears doing?  What can you see in his carriage when
he's doing it?  Horses that are in pain usually tuck their tails, among
other signs.

- Jim

 
 
 

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Post by Terry von Geas » Sat, 27 Nov 2004 01:08:29


Quote:
> Anybody know what this might mean?  Horse sticks his neck way
> out, long and low, and twists his head to the side, and opens
> his mouth and wiggles his jaw around.  Does it at liberty a
> tiny bit, in hand a bit more, on the lunge a bit more, and under
> saddle a lot, and more when in the bridle than when in the halter,
> but he does do it in the halter.  I'm guessing mouth/teeth issue,
> or neck/spine issue.  He doesn't have any detectable back soreness
> and in fact doesn't seem to be sore anywhere from poll to tail.
> I've stuck my fingers in his mouth as has the trainer and we both
> feel like his teeth are OK to so-so as far as regular floating
> concerns, but maybe he's got some other more sinister tooth
> problem, or horsey TMJ...

> I don't think it's fitness/conditioning related... He's in
> pretty good shape for the light work he's been doing - w/t/c
> 4 to 5 days per week with maybe 10-15 minutes at the trot and
> 15-25 at the lope, the rest at the walk for a total of 50 or
> so minutes.

> He just started it today.  He can do it at the lope, and it
> looks dang funny to see a horse loping with his neck super
> long and low and his head sideways.  He will quit when asked
> to bring his nose back in and doesn't get upset or mad - just
> tries again later.  He won't try to take the reins away from
> his rider to do it; he just does it when he's on a loose rein.
> Anyway, the vet is closed for T-day, and is scheduled to come
> out on Dec 1 for floating.  I'm thinking this can wait until
> then, but in the meantime, anybody have any guesses?  He is
> the one with the old knee injury but he's not lame and is not
> sore when palpating it.

We had a horse that, once upon a time, that did this, especially at a lope.
We went through the entire litany of teeth, tack, body, mind. There was
nothing wrong with the beast in mind, body, or equipage, no particular
reason upon which to hang this annoying behavior. Ergo it was simply an
obnoxious habit. By picking up the animal's head and placing it right where
we wanted it each and every time it started in with this the habit was
broken and, after an hour or so of unrelenting correction, the horse never
offered to place its head in this odd position again.

Upon reflection, we tend to feel that it might have been the case that this
horse was never fully trained to go on a massively slack rein. Our favorite
configuration and usually in use at the times of the malfeasant behavior.
Then again maybe not, our memory dims with time. What is known is that the
habit went away.

--
Terry

  "I said I never had much use for one,
   I never said I didn't know how to use one."
    M. Quigley

 
 
 

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Post by J. Z. M » Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:15:18


Quote:
> Anybody know what this might mean?  Horse sticks his neck way
> out, long and low, and twists his head to the side, and opens
> his mouth and wiggles his jaw around.  Does it at liberty a
> tiny bit, in hand a bit more, on the lunge a bit more, and under
> saddle a lot, and more when in the bridle than when in the halter,
> but he does do it in the halter.  I'm guessing mouth/teeth issue,
> or neck/spine issue.  He doesn't have any detectable back soreness
> and in fact doesn't seem to be sore anywhere from poll to tail.
> I've stuck my fingers in his mouth as has the trainer and we both
> feel like his teeth are OK to so-so as far as regular floating
> concerns, but maybe he's got some other more sinister tooth
> problem, or horsey TMJ...

This horse spontaneously started this out of the blue? Before he was okay,
never did this, or is this a new horse?  A couple of thoughts, ears, and
food stuck in a hole/place in his teeth. If a horse started up out of the
blue doing a particular behavior which he beforehand had never done I would
automatically suspect foreign object.

If it's a new horse who was doing this all the time, maybe a bad habit,
maybe a *nervous tic* (for the loss of more correct terminology), or maybe a
stinker who wants to act stupid.  Who knows? Ask the vet, you got that
already.

IHMO some horses are neck snakers. Nothing you can do about it! I saw a
youngster when I was shopping for horses who did this, a young stud age
three, he was snaking his head on the cross ties, when she bridled him, and
even while being ridden. I took one look at that and did the "not even
interested" attitude, too hard to break that habit. It would take some
considerable placing of his head, and frankly if he does it in freedom his
ability to do it is "fun" for him and I have no desire to fight that. LOL
I'll take the easy road if given a choice!

Ears are my guess if it is a new display for him. A big bug in there!

Jody

 
 
 

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Post by Laurel Reddic » Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:34:10


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>Anybody know what this might mean?  Horse sticks his neck way
>out, long and low, and twists his head to the side, and opens
>his mouth and wiggles his jaw around.

I would agree with Jody that it could be some food or hay wedged
between two teeth.  We had that happen with one of our mares and the
vet took two seconds to pull it out.  Hopefully it's that simple.
Good luck.
Laurel
 
 
 

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Post by Dana Compt » Sat, 27 Nov 2004 03:50:56

Quote:
>Horse sticks his neck way
>> out, long and low, and twists his head to the side, and opens
>> his mouth and wiggles his jaw around.  
>"Cindi"

Juan does this under saddle sometimes. He has been gone over by Vet and
dentist. It's an annoying habit thing.

Dana  

Azthor - 8 year old  Saddlebred gelding
Juan's Magic- 17 year old Thoroughbred gelding