Full Throttle - No OTSR?

Full Throttle - No OTSR?

Post by r.. » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 14:36:46


No OTSR on Full Throttle?  They're not in the picture on the SFMM announcement page (which, of course, is not the actual coaster) nor in the downloadable video.

Rik

 
 
 

Full Throttle - No OTSR?

Post by BaSSiStiS » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 16:22:29

Quote:

> No OTSR on Full Throttle?  They're not in the picture on the SFMM announcement page (which, of course, is not the actual coaster) nor in the downloadable video.

It's a Premier ride, they do lots of loopers without OTSR.

Of course, there goes Magic Mountain's long-standing excuse that Revolution HAS to have them.

 
 
 

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Post by skiguy77 » Sat, 01 Sep 2012 20:50:25

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> > No OTSR on Full Throttle?  They're not in the picture on the SFMM announcement page (which, of course, is not the actual coaster) nor in the downloadable video.

> It's a Premier ride, they do lots of loopers without OTSR.

> Of course, there goes Magic Mountain's long-standing excuse that Revolution HAS to have them.

They'll get them when a fat person flings out.    It really doesn't matter if the coaster loops or not.   What matters is the negative (or sideway) Gs coming out of turns.   With fat people, their blubber eventually moves up over the safety bar, then they've got nothing but stubby legs holding them in.   Fling.  

 
 
 

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Post by surfdan.. » Sun, 02 Sep 2012 11:10:30

I don't understand how they can claim Revolution would HAVE to have them since it loops, while other looping coasters in the Six Flags chain (including other Schwarzkopf ones, like SFOG's Viper) had lap bars during the same time period. Shouldn't all parks under the same chain follow the same rules? The "last occupied row of a coaster must have 2 guests 12 or older in them" rule only applied to SFGAdv. If it was that important, shouldn't these rules be chain wide?
 
 
 

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Post by tyl.. » Sun, 02 Sep 2012 11:17:23

Quote:

> I don't understand how they can claim Revolution would HAVE to have them since it loops, while other looping coasters in the Six Flags chain (including other Schwarzkopf ones, like SFOG's Viper) had lap bars during the same time period. Shouldn't all parks under the same chain follow the same rules? The "last occupied row of a coaster must have 2 guests 12 or older in them" rule only applied to SFGAdv. If it was that important, shouldn't these rules be chain wide?

The rules are largely set by the insurance company, and thus might well very from park to park.
 
 
 

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Post by David Sandbor » Sun, 02 Sep 2012 21:45:03


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> The "last occupied row of a coaster must have 2 guests 12 or older in them"
> rule only applied to SFGAdv.

I encountered it at least once at SFGAm too.

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Post by David H.--REMOVE » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 01:37:42

They've been phasing the rule out over the years at the various parks.

On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 08:45:03 -0400, David Sandborg

Quote:



>> The "last occupied row of a coaster must have 2 guests 12 or older in them"
>> rule only applied to SFGAdv.

>I encountered it at least once at SFGAm too.

 "With the first link, a chain is forged.  The first speech censured,
 the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
 all irrevocably."  -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
                     "The Drumhead", _Star Trek: The Next Generation_
 
 
 

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Post by David H.--REMOVE » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 01:38:28

Quote:

>I don't understand how they can claim Revolution would HAVE to have them since it loops, while other looping coasters in the Six Flags chain (including other Schwarzkopf ones, like SFOG's Viper) had lap bars during the same time period. Shouldn't all parks under the same chain follow the same rules? The "last occupied row of a coaster must have 2 guests 12 or older in them" rule only applied to SFGAdv. If it was that important, shouldn't these rules be chain wide?

Do you really want to give them any ideas?  

I could see them deciding to be consistent and adding lapbars to the other
Schwarzkopf's.

 "With the first link, a chain is forged.  The first speech censured,
 the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
 all irrevocably."  -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
                     "The Drumhead", _Star Trek: The Next Generation_

 
 
 

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Post by David Sandbor » Mon, 03 Sep 2012 14:08:20


 "David H.--REMOVE \"STOPSPAM\" to reply"

Quote:

> On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 08:45:03 -0400, David Sandborg



> >> The "last occupied row of a coaster must have 2 guests 12 or older in
> >> them"
> >> rule only applied to SFGAdv.

> >I encountered it at least once at SFGAm too.

> They've been phasing the rule out over the years at the various parks.

I can't recall the last time I actually encountered it; it certainly
wasn't in force this year.  I was just pointing out to Chris that it was
not a SFGAdv-only rule as he seemed to think.

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Post by r.. » Tue, 04 Sep 2012 01:45:22

Quote:
> wasn't in force this year.  I was just pointing out to Chris that it was
> not a SFGAdv-only rule as he seemed to think.

Probably a decade ago I was made to switch seats on Goliath and Viper at SFMM because of the "no single riders in back" rule.

Rik

 
 
 

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Post by Surf Dance Chri » Wed, 05 Sep 2012 11:18:59



Quote:

> ?"David H.--REMOVE \"STOPSPAM\" to reply"


> > On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 08:45:03 -0400, David Sandborg



> > >> The "last occupied row of a coaster must have 2 guests 12 or older in
> > >> them"
> > >> rule only applied to SFGAdv.

> > >I encountered it at least once at SFGAm too.

> > They've been phasing the rule out over the years at the various parks.

> I can't recall the last time I actually encountered it; it certainly
> wasn't in force this year. ?I was just pointing out to Chris that it was
> not a SFGAdv-only rule as he seemed to think.

> --
> Dave Sandborg
> Remove Spam-away to respond via e-mail.

Okay, I did not know that. I had only ever encountered that rule (in
both practice and in signage) at Great Adventure, even during the time
that the rule was in effect at Great Adventure.
 
 
 

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Post by Andrew Brawle » Thu, 06 Sep 2012 08:44:16



Quote:

> "David H.--REMOVE \"STOPSPAM\" to reply"

>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 08:45:03 -0400, David Sandborg



>> >> The "last occupied row of a coaster must have 2 guests 12 or older in
>> >> them"
>> >> rule only applied to SFGAdv.

>> >I encountered it at least once at SFGAm too.

>> They've been phasing the rule out over the years at the various parks.

>I can't recall the last time I actually encountered it; it certainly
>wasn't in force this year.  I was just pointing out to Chris that it was
>not a SFGAdv-only rule as he seemed to think.

The way I understand it, the policy was adopted chain wide after the woman in the
back row of Rail Blazer (the ill-fated mine train to standup conversion at SFStL) was
thrown from the train. The theory being that a second rider could act as a witness.
This despite the fact that her husband was riding next to her and local lore was that
he pushed her out. (Like anyone would know.) They did find a flaw with the rather
makeshift looking restraints that could allow a "pear-shaped" person to slip through.
The couple was from Indiana, which lead to the ride getting the (tacky) nick name
"Hoosier Hurler". Anyhow, it seems the policy was abandoned at different parks, on
different rides as time went on. I don't know of any parks in the chain that still
use it. You can tell if they do because the signal the ride ops hold up is a "peace
sign" number two, confirming the back seat complies.
 
 
 

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Post by Robert Reaga » Sun, 09 Sep 2012 04:32:34


Quote:



> > "David H.--REMOVE \"STOPSPAM\" to reply"

> >> On Sat, 01 Sep 2012 08:45:03 -0400, David Sandborg



> >> >> The "last occupied row of a coaster must have 2 guests 12 or older in
> >> >> them"
> >> >> rule only applied to SFGAdv.

> >> >I encountered it at least once at SFGAm too.

> >> They've been phasing the rule out over the years at the various parks.

> >I can't recall the last time I actually encountered it; it certainly
> >wasn't in force this year. ?I was just pointing out to Chris that it was
> >not a SFGAdv-only rule as he seemed to think.

> The way I understand it, the policy was adopted chain wide after the woman in the
> back row of Rail Blazer (the ill-fated mine train to standup conversion at SFStL) was
> thrown from the train. The theory being that a second rider could act as a witness.
> This despite the fact that her husband was riding next to her and local lore was that
> he pushed her out. (Like anyone would know.) They did find a flaw with the rather
> makeshift looking restraints that could allow a "pear-shaped" person to slip through.
> The couple was from Indiana, which lead to the ride getting the (tacky) nick name
> "Hoosier Hurler". Anyhow, it seems the policy was abandoned at different parks, on
> different rides as time went on. I don't know of any parks in the chain that still
> use it. You can tell if they do because the signal the ride ops hold up is a "peace
> sign" number two, confirming the back seat complies.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

The SF policy dates back well before the Rail Blazer incident (the
ride isn't over until the fat lady flings).

It was in effect when I started as a Ride Op at SFoT back in 1979.

RRR

 
 
 

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Post by Wolf » Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:53:20

Quote:
>>> They've been phasing the rule out over the years at the various parks.

>>I can't recall the last time I actually encountered it; it certainly
>>wasn't in force this year.  I was just pointing out to Chris that it was
>>not a SFGAdv-only rule as he seemed to think.

> The way I understand it, the policy was adopted chain wide after the woman
> in the
> back row of Rail Blazer (the ill-fated mine train to standup conversion at
> SFStL) was
> thrown from the train. The theory being that a second rider could act as a
> witness.

I think Tamar Fellner illustrated the futility of that concept.

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Post by ericcan.. » Wed, 19 Sep 2012 01:27:39

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> I think Tamar Fellner illustrated the futility of that concept.

When Tamar Fellner head, I believe that was a case of an enthusiast event and restraints were purposely not in proper place.
Too bad she at least didn't have the seat belt on. It was documented that the seat belt was not used and most riders had little or no restraint by lap bars.