B&R The Chiller Only Has Lap Bars ?

B&R The Chiller Only Has Lap Bars ?

Post by Kristofer Wemp » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 12:24:58


I was at SFGAdv the Tuesday May 28 and I finally got a chance to ride on the
"Batman" side of B&R : The Chiller.  I rode on the "Robin" side years ago.
However, when I rode on the Robin side, there were shoulder restraints on
the ride.  This time, I noticed that both sides only had lap bars !!!  I
thought that this was kind of strange.  I've never been on a coaster before
that does corkscrews or rolls and only has lap bars.  I've been on a handful
of Schwarzkopf looping coasters (Mindbender, The Lazer, Super Dooper Looper)
that only have lapbars, but the ride on The Chiller was different.  You can
actually feel your weight transfer to the lap bar when you go through the
roll.  Are there any other coasters like this ?  This was an unbelievable
feeling !  Also, why were they changed ?  Did it have something to do with
the crazy headbanging on the old restraints ?

        Kris

 
 
 

B&R The Chiller Only Has Lap Bars ?

Post by Dave Althoff » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 12:46:57

Kris:  You used the wrong punctuation.  I think you meant to write:

Quote:
> Subject: B&R The Chiller Only Has Lap Bars !

: I was at SFGAdv the Tuesday May 28 and I finally got a chance to ride on the
: "Batman" side of B&R : The Chiller.  I rode on the "Robin" side years ago.
: However, when I rode on the Robin side, there were shoulder restraints on
: the ride.  This time, I noticed that both sides only had lap bars !!!  I
: thought that this was kind of strange.  I've never been on a coaster before
: that does corkscrews or rolls and only has lap bars.  I've been on a handful
: of Schwarzkopf looping coasters (Mindbender, The Lazer, Super Dooper Looper)
: that only have lapbars, but the ride on The Chiller was different.  You can
: actually feel your weight transfer to the lap bar when you go through the
: roll.  Are there any other coasters like this ?  This was an unbelievable
: feeling !  Also, why were they changed ?  Did it have something to do with
: the crazy headbanging on the old restraints ?

I respond in order, "Yes," "It certainly is!," "Nobody is saying for
certain," and "Maybe."  8-)

It seems that Jim Seay and Premier Rides have finally wised up to the fact
that not only were the shoulder bars not necessary on their rides, they
might improve the ride!  Rumor has it that it started with a refusal to
use shoulder bars on Son of Beast; the story is that the development of
the lap bar for that ride (which is the same basic design as the lap bar
you noticed) led to the realization that it would work just as well on the
LIMCat coasters.

The first ride to get the shoulder-bar-ectomy was Flight of Fear at Kings
Dominion, followed immediately by Flight of Fear at Kings Island.  To put
the results into perspective, at Kings Island, between 1999 and 2001,
Flight of Fear went from being the worst coaster at the park to
second-worst coaster at the park to possibly the best coaster in the park.
Clearly the conversion was a success.

I guess Robin was next, and this season the conversion extended to Joker's
Jink, Poltergeist, Batman, and whatever other Premier LIMCat coasters I
can't remember at the moment.

Now if we could get B&M to follow suit with Kumba and Wildfire (since they
already have a suitable train design), then maybe get Arrow and Vekoma in
on the act, we might be able to slowly rid the world of the wretched
shoulder bar...!  8-)

--Dave Althoff, Jr.
  Whose opinions of shoulder bars have been well known for decades...

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B&R The Chiller Only Has Lap Bars ?

Post by Joe Schwart » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 15:21:29


Quote:
> It seems that Jim Seay and Premier Rides have finally wised up to
> the fact that not only were the shoulder bars not necessary on their
> rides, they might improve the ride!

Dave, I think you meant to say, "their removal might improve the ride!"

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B&R The Chiller Only Has Lap Bars ?

Post by Dave Althoff » Thu, 06 Jun 2002 22:48:05


: > It seems that Jim Seay and Premier Rides have finally wised up to
: > the fact that not only were the shoulder bars not necessary on their
: > rides, they might improve the ride!

: Dave, I think you meant to say, "their removal might improve the ride!"

D'oh!  Yes, Joe, you are absolutely correct!

I can't believe I wrote that as written...!  8-)

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B&R The Chiller Only Has Lap Bars ?

Post by Kristofer Wemp » Fri, 07 Jun 2002 11:58:00

Dave,

    I feel your pain about the shoulder restraints.  Do you want to talk
about painful experiences ?  Ask anybody about the Viper at SFGADv.  Talk
about getting beat up !!!  However, a lot of newer coasters are so smooth
that you barely notice the shoulder restraints.  Medusa is a great example
of this.  And it's gotta be a lot safer to have shoulder restraints.  A few
inches of leeway between you and shoulder restraints wouldn't be a big deal.
A few inches of leeway between you and the lapbar on B&R: The Chiller =
FLYING OUT !!  Still, as long as that thing is down as far as it can go
........... WOW, what a feeling of being free when you go through those
rolls at the end !!!

            Kris



Quote:

> Kris:  You used the wrong punctuation.  I think you meant to write:
> > Subject: B&R The Chiller Only Has Lap Bars !

> : I was at SFGAdv the Tuesday May 28 and I finally got a chance to ride on
the
> : "Batman" side of B&R : The Chiller.  I rode on the "Robin" side years
ago.
> : However, when I rode on the Robin side, there were shoulder restraints
on
> : the ride.  This time, I noticed that both sides only had lap bars !!!  I
> : thought that this was kind of strange.  I've never been on a coaster
before
> : that does corkscrews or rolls and only has lap bars.  I've been on a
handful
> : of Schwarzkopf looping coasters (Mindbender, The Lazer, Super Dooper
Looper)
> : that only have lapbars, but the ride on The Chiller was different.  You
can
> : actually feel your weight transfer to the lap bar when you go through
the
> : roll.  Are there any other coasters like this ?  This was an
unbelievable
> : feeling !  Also, why were they changed ?  Did it have something to do
with
> : the crazy headbanging on the old restraints ?

> I respond in order, "Yes," "It certainly is!," "Nobody is saying for
> certain," and "Maybe."  8-)

> It seems that Jim Seay and Premier Rides have finally wised up to the fact
> that not only were the shoulder bars not necessary on their rides, they
> might improve the ride!  Rumor has it that it started with a refusal to
> use shoulder bars on Son of Beast; the story is that the development of
> the lap bar for that ride (which is the same basic design as the lap bar
> you noticed) led to the realization that it would work just as well on the
> LIMCat coasters.

> The first ride to get the shoulder-bar-ectomy was Flight of Fear at Kings
> Dominion, followed immediately by Flight of Fear at Kings Island.  To put
> the results into perspective, at Kings Island, between 1999 and 2001,
> Flight of Fear went from being the worst coaster at the park to
> second-worst coaster at the park to possibly the best coaster in the park.
> Clearly the conversion was a success.

> I guess Robin was next, and this season the conversion extended to Joker's
> Jink, Poltergeist, Batman, and whatever other Premier LIMCat coasters I
> can't remember at the moment.

> Now if we could get B&M to follow suit with Kumba and Wildfire (since they
> already have a suitable train design), then maybe get Arrow and Vekoma in
> on the act, we might be able to slowly rid the world of the wretched
> shoulder bar...!  8-)

> --Dave Althoff, Jr.
>   Whose opinions of shoulder bars have been well known for decades...

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