TR: Another Cedar Point TR + Michigan State Fair (9/1-9/3)

TR: Another Cedar Point TR + Michigan State Fair (9/1-9/3)

Post by GodsOnSaf.. » Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:11:02


I know, I know....like the world needs another CP TR. But this is a
multifaceted TR, because not only do I talk about CP, I also talk
about a pair of fairs. One I actually rode stuff at, the other had me
walking out the door in a few seconds flat. But enough of the
preamble.

-CEDAR POINT-

You know it. You may or may not love it. This is a park that meant a
lot to myself and my girlfriend. We worked there. We met there. We
started dating there. Cedar Fair cut us both a lot of checks, and in
return, it took a lot of ***, sweat, tears, and probably even a few
years from our lives. Those emotional memories of the place are still
there, in spite of all the changes since both of the times we were
last there in 2003 as workers headed home from Commons.

But that was a long, long time ago. Now is now, and the feel of the
park, even to someone who's been almost every day of their waking
existences for 4 months consecutively is that of an almost fresh
place. I don't feel the skeletons, especially given that everyone I
knew who worked there has moved on in their lives, either by leaving
the industry, moving to Geauga and Worlds Of Fun, or just flat out
disappearing into the void of existence. And to that, we both felt
that we could pretty objectively judge the park on its merits today
rather than merely dwelling on the past.

To that end, I'm not going to re-review rides I reviewed a hundred
times. I will tell you that our trip Labor Day weekend was as much
about the mental aspect of merely being there as trying to marathon
anything, which was almost impossible. The crowds were monsterous
Saturday and Sunday. The coasters that I rerode were essentially the
same. I'll try to do it in a more Pro vs. Con fashion instead,
shortening my opinions on individual rides when I feel I should do so.

PRO (First as always):

-Physical appearance of rides and ride park: Its actually a little
better looking than since the last time I went. Iron Dragon and Magnum
have recieved some fresh coats of paint. The show areas were nice. The
walkways were clean as they almost always are. Bathrooms were quite
clean.

-Operations: The extra spring in their step was gone now at the end of
the general operation season, but they still put forth plenty of
effort. I've worked the grueling hours, and I'm still stunned how they
can do it.

-Coasters: Coasters are still what they are. I like Millennium Force,
airtime machine or not. There's plenty over the island entrance/exit,
even if it isn't MEGA EJECTOR AIR D00DZ. Gemini is fun. Magnum in 1-3
is still outlandish intense, causing even me to grimace and swear it
off forever (again), though the ride seems somewhat rougher than even
before. I had to pass on Raptor (more on that later), TTD, and Mantis
due to line concerns though. TTD is worth maybe a 30 minute wait for
me, and given that I'd actively have to seek it out to do that, I'm
sorry, it'll wait awhile. Simply not worth it to me personally.

-Maverick (#516): I left this out of the above just to singlularly
review it. Its a coaster that tries to do everything and almost
succeeds. I mean, its a solid ride. Don't get me wrong. It has
airtime, it has inversions, big thrills, theming, that really cool
second launch....at the same time, I hate the restraints because every
lateral move becomes a punch in the jaw. The sharp turns don't work
with the wide out restraints, which seem made for sleep apnea
candidates with 30% of their body fat being located in their
shoulders. I don't want to say it was overhyped, and I'm glad I ran to
it during Joe Cool and only had to wait 30 minutes for the front seat,
but it doesn't make me particularly want to run back to CP. I looked
back at my Hershey TR from last time I went, and apparently many of
the same issues I felt about this I felt about that. I also pretty
much forgot most aspects of that ride, and Maverick began to fade as
soon as I rode Magnum a few minutes later.

CON:

-Rides being down: Maverick and TTD were, as expected, down very
often. MaxAir was down all weekend. Raptor only went up at around 5pm
or so Sunday, completely killing any chance of riding that just after
Joe Cool ended. Skyhawk only ran one side, which wasn't entirely
shocking. For large portions of our trip, only one half of one of the
last 4 rides that CP has built was in operation. That's not very good
statistically. I can't entirely blame them for this, however.

-Disaster Transport: When looking for things that I can blame CP for
on the park side, this soon comes up. Consistently changed to be
cheaper and cheaper over time, Disaster ran a 30 minute wait this time
around all weekend. That was pretty shocking. The ride itself kinda
sucked, as there were no 3-D effects anymore: "There are no glasses,"
said a surprised entrance employee. The uniforms are the generic CP
unis now. Most of the theming elements have been removed
entirely....replaced often with nothing. The entrance is the old exit,
and the new exit is the handicapped entrance. Bizarre.

-Food choice: Its been a few years since I was there, and in spite of
all the sitdown restaurants, choice in food at CP kinda sucks. I take
that back. It really sucks. We ate a sitdown meal at Macaroni's,
feeling that an all you can eat buffet with a 45 minute waiting list
and kids sneezing on everything would be a waste of time and money.
Macaroni's proved just as worthless, offering only the same exact
things that you can get in the park: Pizza, burgers, cheese steak, and
hot dog. Oh, and you have to use the fixin's bar. What the *** is
this? Ponderosa?

Of course, there are other options. Like TGIFridays. And Famous
Dave's. I don't want to shit on Famous Dave's too much, but c'mon.
Chain BBQ? That's the best you can offer me? Not only that, payment
has to be in the form of a paper slip along with check, because in
2007, Cedar Fair can't get their shit together. Bay Harbor is the best
option for food within the penninsula, and really, they need something
a little bit better than that closer to the hotels, where people
actually stay. Or even at the ex-Radisson Castaway Bay.

Walkup counters are as bad. I like cheese on a stick. A lot. I do,
however, prefer to eat cheese on a stick once in awhile, not 3 times a
day because it is one of almost no available options. There should be
large eating areas with cafeteria style service, much like the
Festhaus at BGW.

-Paying. For anything: Remember what I just said about the slip of
paper? You can only go to like 7 restaurants to have things charged to
your room. And in order to do that, instead of a room key, which you
already carry, you must bring a flimsy piece of paper with the info
written on it. Tickets? They're paper. So are the vouchers for
everything. See, Disney and Universal already have this lock.
Everything is on the room key. Want to buy things and have them
brought to your room instead of carrying them? Room key. Want to go
buy a snack and don't want to pay ATM fees? Room key. Continue ad
nauseum, because its a constant issue. You know how many times I only
had like $10 and wanted food and a drink and didn't want to go running
to find an ATM? Way too many. With only full service taking credit and
the room key being virtually worthless for anything else, it was a
stressor more than anything, one that CP should eliminate completely.

C'mon, you want to make money, right? What better way to do it than
let people charge whatever whenever to their room? Easier than forcing
them to the ATM to pay for more shit. They can see money disappear
that way. Not only that, you cancel out this paper voucher shit.

-Breakers: Sandborg kinda worried me about it, and after staying the
the main section, I can't demand hard enough that something drastic be
done. Start knocking down walls, convert them to larger rooms, maybe
even suites, and be done with it. And while you're at it, knock down
that sorry Amerisuites looking shit at the end of the boardwalk, put
up a 20 story tower with restaurants, deluxe rooms, suites, and the
like. Move the convention center there, even. Give yourself more room
where Ocean Motion and the current diving show is. I'm not saying you
have to be Bellagio, I just expect more than Red Roof at CP. I'd pay
$169 a night for guaranteed quality over $119 a night for mere
convienence.

OVERALL:

Cedar Point seems to be trapped in the past. Still hyping new
coasters, they are stuck in an endless cycle of $20 million dollar
rides that bring less and less new people in. The problem is not
making the local people come for a day anymore. There's too much for a
single day trip, and those who can afford to do so always will. It
will be about getting the 10% of the local population who can afford
more to come for longer to do more things and perhaps relax a lot
more. Its time for CP to reconsider basics of its business plan.
There's no excuse not to have a Fastpass system of some sort, even if
its almost prohibitively expensive for guests. There's no excuse to
have cash only machines in the arcade that take only $1s and $5s when
the average cost for any single game there is .50. There's no excuse
for not having acceptable single rider lines instead of the uproarious
joke that exists at Maverick. There's no excuse for the low quality of
many hotel rooms in the park. There's no excuse for not offering
choices of food that are legitimately interesting. Kinzel has done a
lot for the company already, but Shapiro is right in many ways. The
future of growth isn't attendance, but the percaps that come with
them. And you have to consider doing it without $4 sodas.

-OTHER THINGS-

We drove around Sandusky before going to the park on Saturday, and my
girlfriend and I ended up eating lunch at Dianna's after a failed
attempt at visiting the Margaritaville outside Port Clinton. That
place had a great downstairs section, with views of a beautiful
waterfall. Now its condemned after an apparent fire we only learned
about afterwards. Dianna's was a place ...

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TR: Another Cedar Point TR + Michigan State Fair (9/1-9/3)

Post by Mark Rosenzwei » Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:26:33


Quote:
> I know, I know....like the world needs another CP TR. But this is a
> multifaceted TR, because not only do I talk about CP, I also talk
> about a pair of fairs. One I actually rode stuff at, the other had me
> walking out the door in a few seconds flat. But enough of the
> preamble.

> -CEDAR POINT-

> You know it. You may or may not love it. This is a park that meant a
> lot to myself and my girlfriend. We worked there. We met there. We
> started dating there. Cedar Fair cut us both a lot of checks, and in
> return, it took a lot of ***, sweat, tears, and probably even a few
> years from our lives. Those emotional memories of the place are still
> there, in spite of all the changes since both of the times we were
> last there in 2003 as workers headed home from Commons.

> But that was a long, long time ago. Now is now, and the feel of the
> park, even to someone who's been almost every day of their waking
> existences for 4 months consecutively is that of an almost fresh
> place. I don't feel the skeletons, especially given that everyone I
> knew who worked there has moved on in their lives, either by leaving
> the industry, moving to Geauga and Worlds Of Fun, or just flat out
> disappearing into the void of existence. And to that, we both felt
> that we could pretty objectively judge the park on its merits today
> rather than merely dwelling on the past.

> To that end, I'm not going to re-review rides I reviewed a hundred
> times. I will tell you that our trip Labor Day weekend was as much
> about the mental aspect of merely being there as trying to marathon
> anything, which was almost impossible. The crowds were monsterous
> Saturday and Sunday. The coasters that I rerode were essentially the
> same. I'll try to do it in a more Pro vs. Con fashion instead,
> shortening my opinions on individual rides when I feel I should do so.

> PRO (First as always):

> -Physical appearance of rides and ride park: Its actually a little
> better looking than since the last time I went. Iron Dragon and Magnum
> have recieved some fresh coats of paint. The show areas were nice. The
> walkways were clean as they almost always are. Bathrooms were quite
> clean.

> -Operations: The extra spring in their step was gone now at the end of
> the general operation season, but they still put forth plenty of
> effort. I've worked the grueling hours, and I'm still stunned how they
> can do it.

> -Coasters: Coasters are still what they are. I like Millennium Force,
> airtime machine or not. There's plenty over the island entrance/exit,
> even if it isn't MEGA EJECTOR AIR D00DZ. Gemini is fun. Magnum in 1-3
> is still outlandish intense, causing even me to grimace and swear it
> off forever (again), though the ride seems somewhat rougher than even
> before. I had to pass on Raptor (more on that later), TTD, and Mantis
> due to line concerns though. TTD is worth maybe a 30 minute wait for
> me, and given that I'd actively have to seek it out to do that, I'm
> sorry, it'll wait awhile. Simply not worth it to me personally.

> -Maverick (#516): I left this out of the above just to singlularly
> review it. Its a coaster that tries to do everything and almost
> succeeds. I mean, its a solid ride. Don't get me wrong. It has
> airtime, it has inversions, big thrills, theming, that really cool
> second launch....at the same time, I hate the restraints because every
> lateral move becomes a punch in the jaw. The sharp turns don't work
> with the wide out restraints, which seem made for sleep apnea
> candidates with 30% of their body fat being located in their
> shoulders. I don't want to say it was overhyped, and I'm glad I ran to
> it during Joe Cool and only had to wait 30 minutes for the front seat,
> but it doesn't make me particularly want to run back to CP. I looked
> back at my Hershey TR from last time I went, and apparently many of
> the same issues I felt about this I felt about that. I also pretty
> much forgot most aspects of that ride, and Maverick began to fade as
> soon as I rode Magnum a few minutes later.

> CON:

> -Rides being down: Maverick and TTD were, as expected, down very
> often. MaxAir was down all weekend. Raptor only went up at around 5pm
> or so Sunday, completely killing any chance of riding that just after
> Joe Cool ended. Skyhawk only ran one side, which wasn't entirely
> shocking. For large portions of our trip, only one half of one of the
> last 4 rides that CP has built was in operation. That's not very good
> statistically. I can't entirely blame them for this, however.

> -Disaster Transport: When looking for things that I can blame CP for
> on the park side, this soon comes up. Consistently changed to be
> cheaper and cheaper over time, Disaster ran a 30 minute wait this time
> around all weekend. That was pretty shocking. The ride itself kinda
> sucked, as there were no 3-D effects anymore: "There are no glasses,"
> said a surprised entrance employee. The uniforms are the generic CP
> unis now. Most of the theming elements have been removed
> entirely....replaced often with nothing. The entrance is the old exit,
> and the new exit is the handicapped entrance. Bizarre.

> -Food choice: Its been a few years since I was there, and in spite of
> all the sitdown restaurants, choice in food at CP kinda sucks. I take
> that back. It really sucks. We ate a sitdown meal at Macaroni's,
> feeling that an all you can eat buffet with a 45 minute waiting list
> and kids sneezing on everything would be a waste of time and money.
> Macaroni's proved just as worthless, offering only the same exact
> things that you can get in the park: Pizza, burgers, cheese steak, and
> hot dog. Oh, and you have to use the fixin's bar. What the *** is
> this? Ponderosa?

> Of course, there are other options. Like TGIFridays. And Famous
> Dave's. I don't want to shit on Famous Dave's too much, but c'mon.
> Chain BBQ? That's the best you can offer me? Not only that, payment
> has to be in the form of a paper slip along with check, because in
> 2007, Cedar Fair can't get their shit together. Bay Harbor is the best
> option for food within the penninsula, and really, they need something
> a little bit better than that closer to the hotels, where people
> actually stay. Or even at the ex-Radisson Castaway Bay.

> Walkup counters are as bad. I like cheese on a stick. A lot. I do,
> however, prefer to eat cheese on a stick once in awhile, not 3 times a
> day because it is one of almost no available options. There should be
> large eating areas with cafeteria style service, much like the
> Festhaus at BGW.

> -Paying. For anything: Remember what I just said about the slip of
> paper? You can only go to like 7 restaurants to have things charged to
> your room. And in order to do that, instead of a room key, which you
> already carry, you must bring a flimsy piece of paper with the info
> written on it. Tickets? They're paper. So are the vouchers for
> everything. See, Disney and Universal already have this lock.
> Everything is on the room key. Want to buy things and have them
> brought to your room instead of carrying them? Room key. Want to go
> buy a snack and don't want to pay ATM fees? Room key. Continue ad
> nauseum, because its a constant issue. You know how many times I only
> had like $10 and wanted food and a drink and didn't want to go running
> to find an ATM? Way too many. With only full service taking credit and
> the room key being virtually worthless for anything else, it was a
> stressor more than anything, one that CP should eliminate completely.

> C'mon, you want to make money, right? What better way to do it than
> let people charge whatever whenever to their room? Easier than forcing
> them to the ATM to pay for more shit. They can see money disappear
> that way. Not only that, you cancel out this paper voucher shit.

> -Breakers: Sandborg kinda worried me about it, and after staying the
> the main section, I can't demand hard enough that something drastic be
> done. Start knocking down walls, convert them to larger rooms, maybe
> even suites, and be done with it. And while you're at it, knock down
> that sorry Amerisuites looking shit at the end of the boardwalk, put
> up a 20 story tower with restaurants, deluxe rooms, suites, and the
> like. Move the convention center there, even. Give yourself more room
> where Ocean Motion and the current diving show is. I'm not saying you
> have to be Bellagio, I just expect more than Red Roof at CP. I'd pay
> $169 a night for guaranteed quality over $119 a night for mere
> convienence.

> OVERALL:

> Cedar Point seems to be trapped in the past. Still hyping new
> coasters, they are stuck in an endless cycle of $20 million dollar
> rides that bring less and less new people in. The problem is not
> making the local people come for a day anymore. There's too much for a
> single day trip, and those who can afford to do so always will. It
> will be about getting the 10% of the local population who can afford
> more to come for longer to do more things and perhaps relax a lot
> more. Its time for CP to reconsider basics of its business plan.
> There's no excuse not to have a Fastpass system of some sort, even if
> its almost prohibitively expensive for guests. There's no excuse to
> have cash only machines in the arcade that take only $1s and $5s when
> the average cost for any single game there is .50. There's no excuse
> for not having acceptable single rider lines instead of the uproarious
> joke that exists at Maverick. There's no excuse for the low quality of
> many hotel rooms in the park. There's no excuse for not offering
> choices of food that are legitimately interesting. Kinzel has done a
> lot for the company already, but Shapiro is right in many ways. The
> future of growth isn't attendance, but the percaps that come with
> them. And you have to consider doing it without $4 sodas.

> -OTHER THINGS-

...

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TR: Another Cedar Point TR + Michigan State Fair (9/1-9/3)

Post by Joe Schwart » Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:36:17

[Great TR snipped]

Quote:
> There's no excuse for not having acceptable single rider lines
> instead of the uproarious joke that exists at Maverick.

I didn't know Maverick had a single-rider line.  What makes it a joke?

 
 
 

TR: Another Cedar Point TR + Michigan State Fair (9/1-9/3)

Post by David » Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:16:19



Quote:

>[Great TR snipped]

>> There's no excuse for not having acceptable single rider lines
>> instead of the uproarious joke that exists at Maverick.

>I didn't know Maverick had a single-rider line.  What makes it a joke?

It starts at the final stairs up to the station.  You have to work
your way through the entire queue before hitting it, saving really no
time in exchange for giving up seat choice.

Regards
David

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TR: Another Cedar Point TR + Michigan State Fair (9/1-9/3)

Post by GodsOnSaf.. » Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:09:17


Quote:

> > I know, I know....like the world needs another CP TR. But this is a
> > multifaceted TR, because not only do I talk about CP, I also talk
> > about a pair of fairs. One I actually rode stuff at, the other had me
> > walking out the door in a few seconds flat. But enough of the
> > preamble.

> > -CEDAR POINT-

> > You know it. You may or may not love it. This is a park that meant a
> > lot to myself and my girlfriend. We worked there. We met there. We
> > started dating there. Cedar Fair cut us both a lot of checks, and in
> > return, it took a lot of ***, sweat, tears, and probably even a few
> > years from our lives. Those emotional memories of the place are still
> > there, in spite of all the changes since both of the times we were
> > last there in 2003 as workers headed home from Commons.

> > But that was a long, long time ago. Now is now, and the feel of the
> > park, even to someone who's been almost every day of their waking
> > existences for 4 months consecutively is that of an almost fresh
> > place. I don't feel the skeletons, especially given that everyone I
> > knew who worked there has moved on in their lives, either by leaving
> > the industry, moving to Geauga and Worlds Of Fun, or just flat out
> > disappearing into the void of existence. And to that, we both felt
> > that we could pretty objectively judge the park on its merits today
> > rather than merely dwelling on the past.

> > To that end, I'm not going to re-review rides I reviewed a hundred
> > times. I will tell you that our trip Labor Day weekend was as much
> > about the mental aspect of merely being there as trying to marathon
> > anything, which was almost impossible. The crowds were monsterous
> > Saturday and Sunday. The coasters that I rerode were essentially the
> > same. I'll try to do it in a more Pro vs. Con fashion instead,
> > shortening my opinions on individual rides when I feel I should do so.

> > PRO (First as always):

> > -Physical appearance of rides and ride park: Its actually a little
> > better looking than since the last time I went. Iron Dragon and Magnum
> > have recieved some fresh coats of paint. The show areas were nice. The
> > walkways were clean as they almost always are. Bathrooms were quite
> > clean.

> > -Operations: The extra spring in their step was gone now at the end of
> > the general operation season, but they still put forth plenty of
> > effort. I've worked the grueling hours, and I'm still stunned how they
> > can do it.

> > -Coasters: Coasters are still what they are. I like Millennium Force,
> > airtime machine or not. There's plenty over the island entrance/exit,
> > even if it isn't MEGA EJECTOR AIR D00DZ. Gemini is fun. Magnum in 1-3
> > is still outlandish intense, causing even me to grimace and swear it
> > off forever (again), though the ride seems somewhat rougher than even
> > before. I had to pass on Raptor (more on that later), TTD, and Mantis
> > due to line concerns though. TTD is worth maybe a 30 minute wait for
> > me, and given that I'd actively have to seek it out to do that, I'm
> > sorry, it'll wait awhile. Simply not worth it to me personally.

> > -Maverick (#516): I left this out of the above just to singlularly
> > review it. Its a coaster that tries to do everything and almost
> > succeeds. I mean, its a solid ride. Don't get me wrong. It has
> > airtime, it has inversions, big thrills, theming, that really cool
> > second launch....at the same time, I hate the restraints because every
> > lateral move becomes a punch in the jaw. The sharp turns don't work
> > with the wide out restraints, which seem made for sleep apnea
> > candidates with 30% of their body fat being located in their
> > shoulders. I don't want to say it was overhyped, and I'm glad I ran to
> > it during Joe Cool and only had to wait 30 minutes for the front seat,
> > but it doesn't make me particularly want to run back to CP. I looked
> > back at my Hershey TR from last time I went, and apparently many of
> > the same issues I felt about this I felt about that. I also pretty
> > much forgot most aspects of that ride, and Maverick began to fade as
> > soon as I rode Magnum a few minutes later.

> > CON:

> > -Rides being down: Maverick and TTD were, as expected, down very
> > often. MaxAir was down all weekend. Raptor only went up at around 5pm
> > or so Sunday, completely killing any chance of riding that just after
> > Joe Cool ended. Skyhawk only ran one side, which wasn't entirely
> > shocking. For large portions of our trip, only one half of one of the
> > last 4 rides that CP has built was in operation. That's not very good
> > statistically. I can't entirely blame them for this, however.

> > -Disaster Transport: When looking for things that I can blame CP for
> > on the park side, this soon comes up. Consistently changed to be
> > cheaper and cheaper over time, Disaster ran a 30 minute wait this time
> > around all weekend. That was pretty shocking. The ride itself kinda
> > sucked, as there were no 3-D effects anymore: "There are no glasses,"
> > said a surprised entrance employee. The uniforms are the generic CP
> > unis now. Most of the theming elements have been removed
> > entirely....replaced often with nothing. The entrance is the old exit,
> > and the new exit is the handicapped entrance. Bizarre.

> > -Food choice: Its been a few years since I was there, and in spite of
> > all the sitdown restaurants, choice in food at CP kinda sucks. I take
> > that back. It really sucks. We ate a sitdown meal at Macaroni's,
> > feeling that an all you can eat buffet with a 45 minute waiting list
> > and kids sneezing on everything would be a waste of time and money.
> > Macaroni's proved just as worthless, offering only the same exact
> > things that you can get in the park: Pizza, burgers, cheese steak, and
> > hot dog. Oh, and you have to use the fixin's bar. What the *** is
> > this? Ponderosa?

> > Of course, there are other options. Like TGIFridays. And Famous
> > Dave's. I don't want to shit on Famous Dave's too much, but c'mon.
> > Chain BBQ? That's the best you can offer me? Not only that, payment
> > has to be in the form of a paper slip along with check, because in
> > 2007, Cedar Fair can't get their shit together. Bay Harbor is the best
> > option for food within the penninsula, and really, they need something
> > a little bit better than that closer to the hotels, where people
> > actually stay. Or even at the ex-Radisson Castaway Bay.

> > Walkup counters are as bad. I like cheese on a stick. A lot. I do,
> > however, prefer to eat cheese on a stick once in awhile, not 3 times a
> > day because it is one of almost no available options. There should be
> > large eating areas with cafeteria style service, much like the
> > Festhaus at BGW.

> > -Paying. For anything: Remember what I just said about the slip of
> > paper? You can only go to like 7 restaurants to have things charged to
> > your room. And in order to do that, instead of a room key, which you
> > already carry, you must bring a flimsy piece of paper with the info
> > written on it. Tickets? They're paper. So are the vouchers for
> > everything. See, Disney and Universal already have this lock.
> > Everything is on the room key. Want to buy things and have them
> > brought to your room instead of carrying them? Room key. Want to go
> > buy a snack and don't want to pay ATM fees? Room key. Continue ad
> > nauseum, because its a constant issue. You know how many times I only
> > had like $10 and wanted food and a drink and didn't want to go running
> > to find an ATM? Way too many. With only full service taking credit and
> > the room key being virtually worthless for anything else, it was a
> > stressor more than anything, one that CP should eliminate completely.

> > C'mon, you want to make money, right? What better way to do it than
> > let people charge whatever whenever to their room? Easier than forcing
> > them to the ATM to pay for more shit. They can see money disappear
> > that way. Not only that, you cancel out this paper voucher shit.

> > -Breakers: Sandborg kinda worried me about it, and after staying the
> > the main section, I can't demand hard enough that something drastic be
> > done. Start knocking down walls, convert them to larger rooms, maybe
> > even suites, and be done with it. And while you're at it, knock down
> > that sorry Amerisuites looking shit at the end of the boardwalk, put
> > up a 20 story tower with restaurants, deluxe rooms, suites, and the
> > like. Move the convention center there, even. Give yourself more room
> > where Ocean Motion and the current diving show is. I'm not saying you
> > have to be Bellagio, I just expect more than Red Roof at CP. I'd pay
> > $169 a night for guaranteed quality over $119 a night for mere
> > convienence.

> > OVERALL:

> > Cedar Point seems to be trapped in the past. Still hyping new
> > coasters, they are stuck in an endless cycle of $20 million dollar
> > rides that bring less and less new people in. The problem is not
> > making the local people come for a day anymore. There's too much for a
> > single day trip, and those who can afford to do so always will. It
> > will be about getting the 10% of the local population who can afford
> > more to come for longer to do more things and perhaps relax a lot
> > more. Its time for CP to reconsider basics of its business plan.
> > There's no excuse not to have a Fastpass system of some sort, even if
> > its almost prohibitively expensive for guests. There's no excuse to
> > have cash only machines in the arcade that take only $1s and $5s when
> > the average cost for any single game there is .50. There's no excuse
> > for not having acceptable single rider lines instead of the uproarious
> > joke that exists at Maverick. There's no excuse for the low quality

...

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TR: Another Cedar Point TR + Michigan State Fair (9/1-9/3)

Post by CoasterFanati » Thu, 06 Sep 2007 03:18:47

Nice report.

I tend to agree with you on the Maverick restraints. I really hate to
be one of those "broken-record" types who keeps griping about the same
thing over and over, but i really wish that Intamin could come up with
a better solutions. To put these type of restraints on the most
twisted of creations really shows a disdain for the ride's patrons.

I am guessing that the shift of entrances for Disaster Transport
probably has something to do with it's dual purpose as a Halloweekends
Spook House.

- Ted

 
 
 

TR: Another Cedar Point TR + Michigan State Fair (9/1-9/3)

Post by Wolf » Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:50:45

Quote:
> Of course, there are other options. Like TGIFridays. And Famous
> Dave's. I don't want to shit on Famous Dave's too much, but c'mon.
> Chain BBQ? That's the best you can offer me?

For northern Ohio, yeah, that probably is. There are a couple of good BBQ
places in that stretch of the state, but you need to be looking for Martin
Luther King Drives, if you know what I mean.

As far as chains go, I think Damon's is superior to Famous Dave's, but FD's
isn't bad, and I spent a summer in Kansas City and two years a 30-min drive
from North Carolina, so I've wandered through some prime BBQ areas.

Quote:
> Not only that, payment
> has to be in the form of a paper slip along with check, because in
> 2007, Cedar Fair can't get their shit together.

Cash?

Quote:
> -Breakers: Sandborg kinda worried me about it, and after staying the
> the main section, I can't demand hard enough that something drastic be
> done. Start knocking down walls, convert them to larger rooms, maybe
> even suites, and be done with it. And while you're at it, knock down
> that sorry Amerisuites looking shit at the end of the boardwalk, put
> up a 20 story tower with restaurants, deluxe rooms, suites, and the
> like. Move the convention center there, even. Give yourself more room
> where Ocean Motion and the current diving show is. I'm not saying you
> have to be Bellagio, I just expect more than Red Roof at CP. I'd pay
> $169 a night for guaranteed quality over $119 a night for mere
> convienence.

You would, but CP lives in the great Cleveland-Toledo-Detroit triangle. It's
not living off the healthiest economic base, savvy?

Quote:
> OVERALL:

> Cedar Point seems to be trapped in the past. Still hyping new
> coasters, they are stuck in an endless cycle of $20 million dollar
> rides that bring less and less new people in. The problem is not
> making the local people come for a day anymore. There's too much for a
> single day trip, and those who can afford to do so always will. It
> will be about getting the 10% of the local population who can afford
> more to come for longer to do more things and perhaps relax a lot
> more. Its time for CP to reconsider basics of its business plan.
> There's no excuse not to have a Fastpass system of some sort, even if
> its almost prohibitively expensive for guests. There's no excuse to
> have cash only machines in the arcade that take only $1s and $5s when
> the average cost for any single game there is .50. There's no excuse
> for not having acceptable single rider lines instead of the uproarious
> joke that exists at Maverick. There's no excuse for the low quality of
> many hotel rooms in the park. There's no excuse for not offering
> choices of food that are legitimately interesting. Kinzel has done a
> lot for the company already, but Shapiro is right in many ways. The
> future of growth isn't attendance, but the percaps that come with
> them. And you have to consider doing it without $4 sodas.

> -OTHER THINGS-

> We drove around Sandusky before going to the park on Saturday, and my
> girlfriend and I ended up eating lunch at Dianna's after a failed
> attempt at visiting the Margaritaville outside Port Clinton. That
> place had a great downstairs section, with views of a beautiful
> waterfall. Now its condemned after an apparent fire we only learned
> about afterwards. Dianna's was a place that we'd always visit after
> work, almost every other day. We also stopped briefly at Goofy Golf
> behind it (mediocre FEC), drove down the strip of ST 250 and admired
> where Sports City USA was, and then decided to visit Kalahari.

> Kalahari: Its big. Really big. The new water park expansion will make
> it among the largest indoor facilities in the world. We spent a ton of
> money on a bizarre game at their arcade in which one uses a scoop to
> draw in candy onto a pusher plate, much like those machines filled
> with quarters/tokens. The more candy you drop on, the better chance of
> pushing candy off the edge. The more candy that comes off, the more
> chocolates fly in, and then if you get the max drop, you get a super 2
> lb chocolate bar. It was weird and japanese and awesome.

> --------------------------

> FAIRS. YAY FAIRS:

> -Hamtramck Polish Labor Day Festival: In the small area of Detroit
> known as Mamtramck is this craptacular fair.

Hamtramck is actually a separate city. It just happens to be wholly enclosed
by the city of Detroit.

- Show quoted text -

Quote:
> -Michigan State Fair: 10 minutes up the road was this. Its my 3rd
> official full on state fair (Big E and Arizona State Fair preceeding
> it), and 5th if you count the UP State Fair and Western Washington
> State Fair. Compared to any of the other 4 I just named, it pretty
> much sucks. Wade just doesn't have a super great ride selection, the
> grounds look dirty, the parking lot is made of smashed up asphalt
> posing as contiguous paved lot, the coliseum looks about ready to fall
> apart...I could go on and on and on. Food choices also lack in
> comparison to all of those. Yes, even a fair in the middle of nowhere
> has better food.

> The fair itself is in tremendous decline. Not even "BABY ANIMALS:
> BROUGHT TO YOU BY DODGE" works. Its a combination of factors. Detroit
> is seeing its population rapidly shrink as the people there abandon
> like rats from a sinking ship. The fairgrounds is at least bordering
> on being in the hood. No one can afford $10 entrance, $7 parking, and
> $22 wristbands.

The fairgrounds are pretty much on the edge of Detroit's worst ghetto. It's
an interesting juxtaposition.

I'm pretty sure it's larger than the WV State Fair, though, which was
smaller than the Monroe County (MI) Fair.

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TR: Another Cedar Point TR + Michigan State Fair (9/1-9/3)

Post by GodsOnSaf.. » Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:17:03

Quote:
> For northern Ohio, yeah, that probably is. There are a couple of good BBQ
> places in that stretch of the state, but you need to be looking for Martin
> Luther King Drives, if you know what I mean.

> As far as chains go, I think Damon's is superior to Famous Dave's, but FD's
> isn't bad, and I spent a summer in Kansas City and two years a 30-min drive
> from North Carolina, so I've wandered through some prime BBQ areas.

I'm a sucker for TX style BBQ. I'd just prefer something a little more
upscale than Famous Daves. Another note: They've really gone all out
with corporate outsourcing for food there. Beyond FD's and
TGIFriday's, there's also a booth set up with boneless rib sandwiches
operated by an outside vendor, as well as a Panda Express in the
Frontiertown (???) section. I'm not necessarily adverse to it, but
really now.

Quote:
> Cash?

I don't want to carry around tons of it. If chain fast food can take
credit cards now, there's no reason Cedar Point can't. Another note
too: I've seen at least 3 arcades in the US that had token machines
that charged your credit card up to $100 of tokens/quarters. CP still
needs you to find an attendant to break something larger than a $10.

Quote:
> You would, but CP lives in the great Cleveland-Toledo-Detroit triangle. It's
> not living off the healthiest economic base, savvy?

That's why they have Breakers Express. There's still enough people who
have the income that could spend it. Afterall, they're filling
Sandcastle and Castaway Bay, far as I can tell. Great Wolf Lodge and
Kalahari (who charge a lot more than $119 a night) are also
flourishing on the US 250 strip and seem to be creating a wave of big
box stores in their wake.

Quote:
> Hamtramck is actually a separate city. It just happens to be wholly enclosed
> by the city of Detroit.

> The fairgrounds are pretty much on the edge of Detroit's worst ghetto. It's
> an interesting juxtaposition.

> I'm pretty sure it's larger than the WV State Fair, though, which was
> smaller than the Monroe County (MI) Fair.

Do we still have to count WV as a state? I think its time to consider
moving them back to protectorate status.
 
 
 

TR: Another Cedar Point TR + Michigan State Fair (9/1-9/3)

Post by Victor Canfiel » Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:41:13

Quote:

> I tend to agree with you on the Maverick restraints. I really hate to
> be one of those "broken-record" types who keeps griping about the same
> thing over and over, but i really wish that Intamin could come up with
> a better solutions. To put these type of restraints on the most
> twisted of creations really shows a disdain for the ride's patrons.

How similar are the restraints to those on Hersheypark's Stormrunner?

On a recent ride, I noticed signage pictorially instructing riders not
to grab the padded parts of the shoulder bars on Stormrunner, which is
  the natural way to hold on.  I am not sure why this is prohibited.

Following the instructions to hold the handles on the lapbar puts the
elbows out, with arms crossing the relatively narrow edge of the seat.
Holding on that way, I didn't get my ears boxed, but probably held on
more tightly and fought the restraints more than I would have if I
didn't anticipate that possibility.

 
 
 

TR: Another Cedar Point TR + Michigan State Fair (9/1-9/3)

Post by mil.. » Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:22:21


Quote:
> I know, I know....like the world needs another CP TR. But this is a

I just made my first trip to Cedar Point in 11 years or so, so I read
this report with interest. I was going to do my own trip report but
GodsOnSaf raised a bunch of issues so I'm just pasting it in. Sorry if
this is bad form.

CEDAR POINT -- 11 YEARS BETWEEN VISITS

My last trip to Cedar Point was in 1996. The tallest coaster in the
park was Magnum, the newest was Mantis. My favorite rides then were
Raptor in the front seat (still a battle to get there!) and Mean
Streak (this was around the time they put the brake in at the first
turn after drop 1).

Labor Day Weekend. On Friday night my wife and I flew to Cleveland,
rented a car that had no resemblance to the one reserved, drove to
Sandusky and checked into the Breakers. We did the Concierge 10th
floor thing, which is insanely expensive for the minimal extras that
it buys you (a floor without general access, lame breakfast, lame
snack midday, lame evening snack, w/ wine actually), and those prices
would get you a much nicer room in virtually any other hotel. Okay, we
were suckered. But we did have a very cool park view.

RIDING

Wait Times! From the time we had to stop in the queue until we were
first at the row gate. We almost always chose middle rather than wait
for front or back.

Sat. Sept. 1

Mean Streak 20 minutes(12-12:20p) Rough!

Gemini 6 minutes (12:49-12:55p) Fun! Blue train wins!

Magnum XL200 17 minutes (1:16-1:33p) Whee!

Disaster Transport 20 minutes (3:10-3:30p) I saw a "Now in 3-D" sign
but only saw a lot of black-light reactive paint. As pointed out, the
theming seemed to have been gutted. No robots, nothing.

Blue Streak No real wait-time at about 3:55p

Millenium Force 60 minutes (5:10-6:10p) Just a little commentary. I
haven't been on this newsgroup in 10 years or so. I haven't been to CP
in 11 years. I'm now in my early 40's. I knew there was a coaster-
building boom over the last decade, but until you are actually face to
face with one of these things, you don't know what the stats mean. The
size of MilForce and TopThrillDragster completely freaked me out. I'd
never been afraid to get on a roller coaster in my life, but I must
have had 50 true panic attacks over the course of the weekend. Both of
our palms were sweating and we were tachy. I thought coaster design
had up and moved into the future without me. No horse collar? We're
gonna die! And look at the track! Are these Schwarzkopf/Stengel/
Intamin Coasters? The same designers who brought you painful rides
like Mindbender at SFoG and Great American Revolution at SFMM? I never
understood the boxy track thing. Of course, as a billion people know
already and as we found out, Millenium Force is a freaking amazing
ride.

Magnum 23 minutes (8:30-8:53p)

Millenium Force 60 minutes (9:23-10:23) We loved that we could stay on
after 10pm, unlike other parks that give you the boot.

Sun. Sept 2
We spent the day at Soak City and had the unfortunate experience of
forgetting the key in the locker and getting robbed. Fortunately,
disaster was averted because the thief grabbed the first things they
saw (a backpack,a money belt, and two bottles of Aquafina!) which only
yielded $35 and the remains of our coupon book (munch money, etc.).
Had the ***er been more patient, they'd have found the jackpot that
was my watch and my money clip, nestled in the back. We reported to
park police and we found the backpack and money belt with remaining
contents on the floor of two men's room stalls. Ugh. But after an
agonizingly long wait (both to rent another locker and for the ride),
we rode the Zoom Flume, which was awesome.

Mantis 54 minutes (8:46-9:40p)

Millenium Drop 60 minutes (9:58-10:58p)

Mon. Sept 3

This was the last day to get over my fear and ride Top Thrill
Dragster. I was actually losing sleep over the thing, looming outside
of our hotel room window, taunting me. We finally got out of our room
on the early side...

Maverick 39 minutes (9:51-10:30a) Fun! Reasonable wait after seeing
the line coming out of the queueing area the days before. I only got
punched in the head once.

Top Thrill Dragster 43 minutes (11:05-11:48a) One complaint that
remains consistent over 10 years is that CP doesn't provide enough
shade for the queue. Are they just trying to sell more soda pop in the
queue Pepsi machines that don't seem to ever be able to take a dollar
bill? Sheesh. After 43 hot and sweaty minutes we make our way into the
train. I'm a little panicky, but I've resigned myself to the fact that
I cannot face co-workers at home if I don't go on this. The Christmas
Tree lights do their thing and you know the rest. In my mind, the
scary going over the top at 410 feet is in slow motion. In reality,
it's just one freaking big element that's easily missed if you blink.
I loved the ride, but I think I've got to do it over and over to wrap
my mind around it. I'm psyched to check out the larger version at
SFGAdv in NJ.

Raptor 65 minutes (12:40-1:45p) We waited about 10 minutes extra for
the front. What is Joe Cool? Yes, Raptor down from something like
Wednesday until late Sunday. As GodsOnSaf mentioned, we saw a lot of
stuff down: TopThrillDrag, Maverick, Raptor, others. Which sucked as
people moved to make other lines longer. But Raptor was open Monday
(actually, we got frustrated when it seemed that every other train
going up the lift hill was empty, but finally the trains were filled)
and we got the front seat! Same fight to get there as always, but it
was our first front seat all weekend.. The whole camera/video thing
was new. Cool.

Top Thrill Dragster 28 minutes (3:13-3:41p) Nice short hot wait for
the second stab at this. That was our last ride as we had to get back
to CLE for a 7:00p flight back to NYC.

Quote:
> Of course, there are other options. Like TGIFridays. And Famous

I agree that food options are pitiful. Our Sunday night dinner at Bay
Harbor was mediocre, though I will compliment the excellent service.
Alaskan King Crab legs should not be frozen. Period.

Actually, we'd hoped to take the "courtesy shuttle" from Breakers to
Bay Harbor, so we told front desk, they told us to wait outside, where
a dozen other people were also waiting. The shuttle came, they got in
and filled it, and we were left stranded. Were we supposed to go
reserve again? We jumped in the car drove it, but finding a parking
spot was virtually impossible. We had to park 100 yards away at Famous
Dave's. Annoying.

Quote:
> Walkup counters are as bad. I like cheese on a stick. A lot. I do,

I had a "boneless rib" sandwhich at a stand near TTD. I was starving.
My wife asked how it was and I answered "40% delicious and 60%
absolutely disgusting".

Quote:
> -Paying. For anything: Remember what I just said about the slip of
> paper? You can only go to like 7 restaurants to have things charged to

I'm with you on this. Coupons and a slip of paper? Gimmee a break.
They have got to shell out for a plastic card system. It would pay for
itself in time, but it's a sizeable outlay. I want to buy Cedar Fair
stock, but there are too many big expenses in their future.

Quote:
> -Breakers: Sandborg kinda worried me about it, and after staying the

Sandborg?

Quote:
> the main section, I can't demand hard enough that something drastic be
...
> $169 a night for guaranteed quality over $119 a night for mere
> convienence.

I totally agree with you. We paid a fortune for the best of the
Breakers, which was pretty much crap.

Quote:
> OVERALL:

> Cedar Point seems to be trapped in the past. Still hyping new

We had a great weekend, but yes, you're right. It felt a bit like
visiting with DisneyWorld's retarded little sister. You feel a little
sorry for her and try to be loyal. It's tough. Every massive new
attraction at Disney/Universal runs them something like $100million.
Cedar Fair has to try to follow some very tough acts. We could have
gone to WDW instead and it wouldn't have been much more than what we
paid to go to CP.

Yes, some sort of Fastpass. We'll pay!

Quote:
> hour and a half. Worst moment was finding a table, eating there, and
> then having some family just walk up, not ask if they could sit there,
> and sit their screaming kids (probably named Aiden and Tyler) next to

I'll give this to CP: the staff and guests (except for the ***er who
robbed our locker at Soak City) were extremely friendly. We were very
impressed by the staff (minus the attitude of the "please sit in the
chair you may be too fat to ride Millenium" Romanian kid at the MF
gate), who were helpful and friendly. Next time we'll come mid-season
to see the full regular staff in action.

Great report, man!

 
 
 

TR: Another Cedar Point TR + Michigan State Fair (9/1-9/3)

Post by Wolf » Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:11:49

Quote:
>> For northern Ohio, yeah, that probably is. There are a couple of good BBQ
>> places in that stretch of the state, but you need to be looking for
>> Martin
>> Luther King Drives, if you know what I mean.

>> As far as chains go, I think Damon's is superior to Famous Dave's, but
>> FD's
>> isn't bad, and I spent a summer in Kansas City and two years a 30-min
>> drive
>> from North Carolina, so I've wandered through some prime BBQ areas.

> I'm a sucker for TX style BBQ. I'd just prefer something a little more
> upscale than Famous Daves.

BBQ isn't upscale. BBQ is a welded ex-boiler sitting outside at a gas
station next to a check cashing store. Upscale BBQ is pretending.

Quote:
> Another note: They've really gone all out
> with corporate outsourcing for food there. Beyond FD's and
> TGIFriday's, there's also a booth set up with boneless rib sandwiches
> operated by an outside vendor, as well as a Panda Express in the
> Frontiertown (???) section. I'm not necessarily adverse to it, but
> really now.

The Chinese built the railroads, right? I'd say Panda Express fits into
Frontiertown. =)

More authentic than corn dogs.

Quote:
>> Cash?

> I don't want to carry around tons of it. If chain fast food can take
> credit cards now, there's no reason Cedar Point can't. Another note
> too: I've seen at least 3 arcades in the US that had token machines
> that charged your credit card up to $100 of tokens/quarters. CP still
> needs you to find an attendant to break something larger than a $10.

No, I meant did you mean cash when you said slips of paper?

Quote:
>> Hamtramck is actually a separate city. It just happens to be wholly
>> enclosed
>> by the city of Detroit.

>> The fairgrounds are pretty much on the edge of Detroit's worst ghetto.
>> It's
>> an interesting juxtaposition.

>> I'm pretty sure it's larger than the WV State Fair, though, which was
>> smaller than the Monroe County (MI) Fair.

> Do we still have to count WV as a state? I think its time to consider
> moving them back to protectorate status.

Admittedly, the WV State Fair is probably geographically larger than Rhode
Island.

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