1999 I-X Center Indoor Park Question

1999 I-X Center Indoor Park Question

Post by Darren Mulli » Thu, 18 Mar 1999 04:00:00


I know that the I-X Center in Cleveland will have its annual indoor
amu***t park in April. What days are they having this and will there
be any coasters? I am thinking about going.
Thanks for any info you can give me.
Darren Mullins
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1999 I-X Center Indoor Park Question

Post by Raymond Planis » Thu, 18 Mar 1999 04:00:00

The IX Indoor "Amu***t Park" will run from Thursday April 1 through
Sunday May 2.  Tickets are $15, although discount tickets may be
purchased at your local Finast store or at any Triple A location.  The
ad did not mention coasters but they have always had that lame Zyklon
coaster (which they tried theming ;ast year) and possibly ta Pinfari
Looping Star.  The ad also mentioned a ride called Outer Limits.  The
descripton was simply "spin into the darkness at G force speeds"  Sounds
like they are bringing back the Black Out to me.  
Maybe I'll see you there-  since you're not on URC anymore.

 
 
 

1999 I-X Center Indoor Park Question

Post by Dave Altho » Thu, 18 Mar 1999 04:00:00

: The IX Indoor "Amu***t Park" will run from Thursday April 1 through
: Sunday May 2.  Tickets are $15, although discount tickets may be
: purchased at your local Finast store or at any Triple A location.  The
: ad did not mention coasters but they have always had that lame Zyklon
: coaster (which they tried theming ;ast year) and possibly ta Pinfari
: Looping Star.  The ad also mentioned a ride called Outer Limits.  The
: descripton was simply "spin into the darkness at G force speeds"  Sounds
: like they are bringing back the Black Out to me.  
: Maybe I'll see you there-  since you're not on URC anymore.

Could just as easily be a Wisdom Gravitron...a ride which has never
appeared at the I-X Indoor Amu***t Park.  The Black Out, by the way, is
a Tivoli Force-10.  Evil, evil ride.  Not as evil as the Chance Zipper,
but still an evil ride.  8-)

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1999 I-X Center Indoor Park Question

Post by Dave Altho » Thu, 18 Mar 1999 04:00:00

: The IX Indoor "Amu***t Park" will run from Thursday April 1 through
: Sunday May 2.  Tickets are $15, although discount tickets may be
: purchased at your local Finast store or at any Triple A location.  The
: ad did not mention coasters but they have always had that lame Zyklon
: coaster (which they tried theming ;ast year) and possibly ta Pinfari
: Looping Star.  The ad also mentioned a ride called Outer Limits.  The
: descripton was simply "spin into the darkness at G force speeds"  Sounds
: like they are bringing back the Black Out to me.  
: Maybe I'll see you there-  since you're not on URC anymore.

Ooops...forgot to mention--

Note that the Zyklon that was there last year was appearing for the first
time...in previous years it was a different Zyklon; last year's Zyklon was
the coaster that used to operate as the Firecracker at Holiday World.
Also, note that there are at least two Pinfari Looping Star coasters
touring the country; both (or "two" if there are more) have played the I-X
Center...one in 1995, the other for the last few years.

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1999 I-X Center Indoor Park Question

Post by NOSPAMMER » Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
>Note that the Zyklon that was there last year was appearing for the first
>time...in previous years it was a different Zyklon; last year's Zyklon was
>the coaster that used to operate as the Firecracker at Holiday World.
>Also, note that there are at least two Pinfari Looping Star coasters
>touring the country; both (or "two" if there are more) have played the I-X
>Center...one in 1995, the other for the last few years.

Now, this brings up an interesting question: how would people count riding
the SAME traveling coaster at different locations on their lists.

Most of us seem to feel that if a coaster is relocated, it counts as two
coaster credits on our lists.  Certainly, if the ride was relocated AND
reprofiled, like with the Giant Coaster/Wild One almost all of us will
consider that two coasters.

But what about this Zyclon.  If you rode it at Holiday World, then at this
indoor park, would you count it as two coasters?  If you rode it at two
other carnivals/fairs, would you count it as FOUR?

And what about those relocated coasters?  If there was no major
reprofiling, would you count it twice?  If major reprofiling is the major
issue, does that make Drachen Fire two coasters if you rode it with and
without the corkscrew?  Then, when it's eventually sold and moved, will it
count as one, two or three?

David,
who's feeling mischievous...  ;-)

P.S. Remember that there's NO correct answer to this.  It's all a matter
of opinion!


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1999 I-X Center Indoor Park Question

Post by Raymond Planis » Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Hey Dave-
Good call on the Gravitron.  I never would have guessed that and it's
hard to believe that the ride has never made an appearance at the IX.  I
And yes the Black Out was one of the most intense rides I have ever
experienced.  I could barely keep my eyes open from the force!  I was
wondering if you knew what happened to the High Roller (another evil
ride) and why Chaos was missing last season.  My guess is they leased it
but I could be wrong.  The Cance website said that the Bates Brothers
bought the Inverter that was there last season, so hopefully that will
be back (kind of a preview for Geauga Lake's double armed Time Warp).
Finally- on the subject of counting coasters, since both coasters there
last season were "new" (i.e. not used at the IX before), does that mean
I can add 2 more coasters to my track record?  I don't know why I go
every year, but I always end up leaving saying "I spent $11 on this?"  
Thanks for your help and by the way- you do a great job over on the CP
Popworld site!
 
 
 

1999 I-X Center Indoor Park Question

Post by Dave Altho » Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:00:00

Here's what I do...you folks do what you want...

If a coaster is moved from park to park, I'll count it in both places.  So
Starchaser and Nightmare at Phantom Cave count as two coasters.

If a coaster is moved with a carnival, I attempt to count it only once.
So the Pinfari Looping Star I rode in Cleveland in '97 and '98 counts as
the same coaster I rode at the Ohio State Fair in '96, '97, and '98.  One
caveat is that I count carnival coasters as another category...in fact, my
categories are:

Wood coasters
Steel coasters
Plastic coaster
           (FAQ: it's the Pipeline Express, a Bailey Auto Sled at Putt 'N
           Pond Speed Park in Fostoria, Ohio; you can see photos
           at ftp://elvis.rowan.edu/pub/coasters/Images/Others/pipeexp*.jpg)
Carnival coasters
Not Coasters

Well, to my way of thinking, the Firecracker has jumped from "steel
coaster" to "carnival coaster" and if I ride it at another show, I won't
count it again.

Just my thoughts, yours should vary!

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1999 I-X Center Indoor Park Question

Post by Dave Altho » Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:00:00

: Hey Dave-
: Good call on the Gravitron.  I never would have guessed that and it's
: hard to believe that the ride has never made an appearance at the IX.  I
: And yes the Black Out was one of the most intense rides I have ever
: experienced.  I could barely keep my eyes open from the force!  I was
: wondering if you knew what happened to the High Roller (another evil
: ride) and why Chaos was missing last season.  My guess is they leased it
: but I could be wrong.  The Cance website said that the Bates Brothers
: bought the Inverter that was there last season, so hopefully that will
: be back (kind of a preview for Geauga Lake's double armed Time Warp).

That's an interesting way to put it...

I don't know about the Hi-Roller...but Chaos only appeared
once...ummm...1996, I think.  That was the first time the Chaos appeared
on a midway, and the ride was booked-in (that is, not owned by
Bates...rather brought in from somewhere else and run with Bates' show for
that date) by Chance themselves!  

It is interesting that Bates bought the Inverter...interesting because the
ride was actually built by ARM under contract to Chance.  Care to guess
who the US representative is for ARM?  Hint:  His brother owns a carnival,
and his last name happens to be Bates...!

: Finally- on the subject of counting coasters, since both coasters there
: last season were "new" (i.e. not used at the IX before), does that mean
: I can add 2 more coasters to my track record?  I don't know why I go
: every year, but I always end up leaving saying "I spent $11 on this?"  

Actually, the looper HAD been at the I-X before.  Do you remember the
first year that the I-X featured a Looping Star? On that one, the ballast
tank under the station-end helix had been replaced with a swimming pool
with a fountain in the middle.  That ride belongs to Ray Cammack Shows
(RCS) and even has RCS logos on the clear plastic panels on the sides of
the stair rails.  The one that was there last year and in '97 belongs to
Amu***ts of America.

--Dave (gotta run!)

: Thanks for your help and by the way- you do a great job over on the CP
: Popworld site!

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1999 I-X Center Indoor Park Question

Post by Dave Altho » Fri, 19 Mar 1999 04:00:00

I was interrupted by a "log out before we hang up on you" message from
Freenet when I failed to finish a message with...

: --Dave (gotta run!)

What I wanted to add was in response to...

: : Thanks for your help and by the way- you do a great job over on the CP
: : Popworld site!

...Only when I have too much time on my hands.  8-)  Anyway, yes, there is
a lively Cedar Point discussion going on over there.  Jeff Putz/POPWorld
Media have provided a really nice forum using probably the most
user-friendly Web-based bulletin board system I have ever seen.  Rather
than talking about all the bytes I unload over there, let's give Jeff a plug--

It's POPWorld's Guide to the Point, complete with the CP Place discussion
board:  http://www.popworld.com/thepoint .  Check it out!  8-)

--Dave Althoff, Jr.
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1999 I-X Center Indoor Park Question

Post by Sean Flahart » Sat, 20 Mar 1999 04:00:00

  IMO, If I ride the same coaster at two different parks, it is counted as
one coaster. Why? Well, it is the same coaster. I have ridden the
Firecracker at two different places and only counted it once. A name, theme,
or location change is not enough for me to count a coaster twice. Now, if
the ride was moved and had some major change in the profile, I might
consider it as two. These would have to be MAJOR changes though. For
instance, I would probably count the old Turn of  the Century at SFGAm once
and Demon once . If two hills on a coaster are replaced with two loops, then
I consider that enough of a drastic change and I would probably count it as
two different coasters.  Like David said, there really is not a solid answer
to this question. Like so many topics of this group, it really just boils
down to individual opinions.

                                                                        Sean

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Quote:

>>Note that the Zyklon that was there last year was appearing for the first
>>time...in previous years it was a different Zyklon; last year's Zyklon was
>>the coaster that used to operate as the Firecracker at Holiday World.
>>Also, note that there are at least two Pinfari Looping Star coasters
>>touring the country; both (or "two" if there are more) have played the I-X
>>Center...one in 1995, the other for the last few years.

>Now, this brings up an interesting question: how would people count riding
>the SAME traveling coaster at different locations on their lists.

>Most of us seem to feel that if a coaster is relocated, it counts as two
>coaster credits on our lists.  Certainly, if the ride was relocated AND
>reprofiled, like with the Giant Coaster/Wild One almost all of us will
>consider that two coasters.

>But what about this Zyclon.  If you rode it at Holiday World, then at this
>indoor park, would you count it as two coasters?  If you rode it at two
>other carnivals/fairs, would you count it as FOUR?

>And what about those relocated coasters?  If there was no major
>reprofiling, would you count it twice?  If major reprofiling is the major
>issue, does that make Drachen Fire two coasters if you rode it with and
>without the corkscrew?  Then, when it's eventually sold and moved, will it
>count as one, two or three?

>David,
>who's feeling mischievous...  ;-)

>P.S. Remember that there's NO correct answer to this.  It's all a matter
>of opinion!


>IMPORTANT: Please remove "NOSPAMMERS" from my address when
>replying via e-mail.  It's an effective effort to avoid spam.
>My top 20 steelies list:                  My top 10 woodies list:
>1) Montu            11) Mantis            1) Raven
>2) Alpengeist       12) Chang             2) Cyclone (Coney)
>3) Kumba            13) Iron Wolf         3) Georgia Cyclone
>4) Raptor           14) Great Bear        4) Wild One
>5) Great Nor'Easter 15) Batman: Chiller   5) Riverside Cyclone
>6) Magnum XL-200    16) Robin: Chiller    6) Excalibur
>7) Batman (SFGAdv)  17) Mr. Freeze(SFSL)  7) Phoenix
>8) Steel Force      18) Outer Limits(PKD) 8) Great White (Morey's)
>9) Mamba            19) GASM (SFGAdv)     9) Comet (GE)
>10) Steel Phantom   20) Shockwave (SFGAm) 10) Grizzly (PKD)
>NOTE: only the best of each steel clone is listed.

 
 
 

1999 I-X Center Indoor Park Question

Post by NOSPAMMER » Sat, 20 Mar 1999 04:00:00

On Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:01:20 -0500, "Sean Flaharty"

Quote:

>  IMO, If I ride the same coaster at two different parks, it is counted as
>one coaster. Why? Well, it is the same coaster. I have ridden the
>Firecracker at two different places and only counted it once. A name, theme,
>or location change is not enough for me to count a coaster twice. Now, if
>the ride was moved and had some major change in the profile, I might
>consider it as two. These would have to be MAJOR changes though. For
>instance, I would probably count the old Turn of  the Century at SFGAm once
>and Demon once . If two hills on a coaster are replaced with two loops, then
>I consider that enough of a drastic change and I would probably count it as
>two different coasters.  Like David said, there really is not a solid answer
>to this question. Like so many topics of this group, it really just boils
>down to individual opinions.

But here's the tough question:  If moving a coaster isn't enough to count
it twice, but a serious reprofile is, would you count Drachen Fire twice
if you'd ridden it before the corkscrew was removed.  After all, that's a
major reprofile!

Just playing Devil's Advocate here for the sake of an interesting (I
hope!) discussion!


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2) Alpengeist       12) Chang             2) Cyclone (Coney)
3) Kumba            13) Iron Wolf         3) Georgia Cyclone
4) Raptor           14) Great Bear        4) Wild One
5) Great Nor'Easter 15) Batman: Chiller   5) Riverside Cyclone
6) Magnum XL-200    16) Robin: Chiller    6) Excalibur
7) Batman (SFGAdv)  17) Mr. Freeze(SFSL)  7) Phoenix
8) Steel Force      18) Outer Limits(PKD) 8) Great White (Morey's)
9) Mamba            19) GASM (SFGAdv)     9) Comet (GE)
10) Steel Phantom   20) Shockwave (SFGAm) 10) Grizzly (PKD)
NOTE: only the best of each steel clone is listed.