Mind Eraser Incident Columbus Day Wknd.

Mind Eraser Incident Columbus Day Wknd.

Post by Joe Schwar » Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:00:00


Quote:

>      This past Sunday (the day before Columbus day to be exact)
> we witnessed an incident at Riverside's Mind Eraser.
> There is a chain that is strung in front of the train while
> it is parked at the boarding station. This chain must be
> put up and taken down every time a train is dispatched.
> The purpose of the chain is to remind ME's ride attendants
> and passengers that they could fall off the edge of the loading
> platform.

>      We were in queue for the next dispatch when the chain
> broke, and a female ride attendant lost her footing, and almost
> fell off the loading platform. There is a safety net in place just
> for this reason.

I just had a gruesome thought:  Imagine if the train were dispatched
*without* opening the chain.  Are there any failsafe mechanisms to
prevent this from happening?

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Post by CROOOO » Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>      This past Sunday (the day before Columbus day to be exact)
> we witnessed an incident at Riverside's Mind Eraser.
> There is a chain that is strung in front of the train while
> it is parked at the boarding station. This chain must be
> put up and taken down every time a train is dispatched.
> The purpose of the chain is to remind ME's ride attendants
> and passengers that they could fall off the edge of the loading
> platform.
  <SNIP>
>      I bet that ride attendant was glad that net is in place
> even though she didn't fall this time. I bet it would be interesting
> to see someone forget the chain and dispatch a train with it
> still up. Vekoma puts stairs up to the top of the lift for chain
> repair, now how about some stairs for the customers !

This is a strange thing.  A chain blocks the train from exiting the
station?  Incredible.  While there were no such blocking devices on the
B&M TOP GUN and BATMAN coasters of any time, I did notice that RAPTOR
and MONTU both are equiped with a metal railing that it attached to the
loading floor.  When the floor lowers to leave your feet*** in the
air, the attached railing falls forward to allow the train to exit.

Raptor has this because of the immediate drop off after the station, and
MONTU...well lets just not think too much about what would happen if
someone fell in with those Crocodiles that look up in hunger at your
dangling feet as you pass by.

However, when I rode the T2 at Kentucky Kingdom (The 1st Vekoma Inverted
in the USA, which was a big disapointment...but I digress) I noticed
that the T2 had an identical lowering rail system attached to the floor
when it lowered, just like RAPTOR and MONTU.  

So the real question is, if T2 was the first Vekoma Inverted installed
here and it has this railing system, then why don't the Mind Erasers?

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Post by Dave Altho » Fri, 17 Oct 1997 04:00:00

:      The unfortunate chain incident makes one pause in
: thought; You get what you pay for. Vekoma's price tag
: is considerably less than B&M, and with good reason.
: B&M SLC's have lift failure platform safety exit stairs.
: Vekoma has nothing. Nothing except that pesky chain
: that B&M's lack. I see a basket crane parked next to ME.....
: is that standard equipment on Vekoma SLC's in case of
: lift failure ? Maybe not. When Hangman 'Hung' passengers
: were helped off (over the course of several hours) by fireman.

B&M also use a folding railing attached to the platform...but no safety
net.  When Kentucky Kingdom had their lift failure, they had planned to
drive a manlift in underneath the coaster (presumably one of those
scissor-lift gizmos), and knew it would take about 40 minutes to get
everyone off.  Then the fire department showed up, took over, and spent
five or six hours clearing the train.  Go figure.

:      I bet that ride attendant was glad that net is in place
: even though she didn't fall this time. I bet it would be interesting
: to see someone forget the chain and dispatch a train with it
: still up.

I believe the SLCs use a cheap plastic chain for precisely that reason.
If the chain is left up, it will catch on the train and/or front seat
riders, and snap fairly quickly and easily before anyone gets hurt or any
equipment gets damaged.

:            Vekoma puts stairs up to the top of the lift for chain
: repair, now how about some stairs for the customers !

Good question!

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Post by SteelFor » Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
> The unfortunate chain incident makes one pause in
>thought; You get what you pay for. Vekoma's price tag
>is considerably less than B&M, and with good reason.
>B&M SLC's have lift failure platform safety exit stairs.
>Vekoma has nothing. Nothing except that pesky chain
>that B&M's lack. I see a basket crane parked next to ME.....
>is that standard equipment on Vekoma SLC's in case of
>lift failure ?

are we bashing a perfectly good ride because of a plastic chain?
Yes, you get what you pay for, and they wanted what was installed!
If you were paying attention to the lift hill you would have noticed a
 evacuation platform that travels up a track of its own via a cable and winch.
The cherry picker is there because of the hangman incident where the lift
 failed after several of the cars had left the safety of the lift hill.

I think to insinuate that the Mind Eraser rides are less safe than the B&M
 rides is irresponsible. they may be less advanced technologically than B&M but
 they are a fine ride and don't deserve this treatment.

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Post by Joe Schwar » Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> I bet it would be interesting to see someone forget the chain and
> dispatch a train with it still up.

I commented:

Quote:
> I just had a gruesome thought:  Imagine if the train were dispatched
> *without* opening the chain.

I really must practice my reading comprehension.  Thank god I'll never have
to take the SATs again!

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Post by PaTB » Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>> I just had a gruesome thought:  Imagine if the train were dispatched
>> *without* opening the chain.  Are there any failsafe mechanisms to
>> prevent this from happening?

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------

>I think the chain is one of those plastic jobs. It would probably break
>pretty easily if they forgot to undo it.

>Chris.

This has happened a couple of times.  it scares the riders in the front kinda
 bad but the chain just snaps...no biggie.  That chain breaks all the time just
 from the usualy putting it up and taking it down stuff.  That chain is a real
 pain in the ass.

Pat

 
 
 

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Post by Bret Clanc » Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:00:00


front row and nothing happened....I think it's a great ride overall don't
you?
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Quote:

>>> I just had a gruesome thought:  Imagine if the train were dispatched
>>> *without* opening the chain.  Are there any failsafe mechanisms to
>>> prevent this from happening?

>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------

>>I think the chain is one of those plastic jobs. It would probably break
>>pretty easily if they forgot to undo it.

>>Chris.

>This has happened a couple of times.  it scares the riders in the front
kinda
> bad but the chain just snaps...no biggie.  That chain breaks all the time
just
> from the usualy putting it up and taking it down stuff.  That chain is a
real
> pain in the ass.

>Pat

 
 
 

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Post by Lee Schu » Sun, 19 Oct 1997 04:00:00


says...

Quote:


>> I just had a gruesome thought:  Imagine if the train were dispatched
>> *without* opening the chain.  Are there any failsafe mechanisms to
>> prevent this from happening?

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------

>I think the chain is one of those plastic jobs. It would probably break
>pretty easily if they forgot to undo it.

>Chris.

     They dont put a chain up at Darien Lakes Mind Eraser,its only common
sense-dont walk near the edge.But then again from what ive heard of Riverside
employees!
 
 
 

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Post by PaTB » Sun, 19 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:
>>I think the chain is one of those plastic jobs. It would probably break
>>pretty easily if they forgot to undo it.

>>Chris.

>This has happened a couple of times.  it scares the riders in the front kinda
> bad but the chain just snaps...no biggie.  That chain breaks all the time
>just
> from the usualy putting it up and taking it down stuff.  That chain is a
>real
> pain in the ass.

>Pat

just wanted to add that breaking the chain is also kind of a rite of passage
 for those that work at the Mind Eraser.  or having somene throw up on the
 Spider.  It really isn't as big of a deal as previous posts are making it out
 to be
 
 
 

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Post by Tim Melag » Mon, 20 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

> >This has happened a couple of times.  it scares the riders in the front kinda
> > bad but the chain just snaps...no biggie.  That chain breaks all the time
> >just
> > from the usualy putting it up and taking it down stuff.  That chain is a
> >real
> > pain in the ass.
> just wanted to add that breaking the chain is also kind of a rite of passage
>  for those that work at the Mind Eraser.  or having somene throw up on the
>  Spider.  It really isn't as big of a deal as previous posts are making it out
>  to be

I find the situation of a train with riders on it breaking through
a chain as unacceptable operation of a coaster. Even if the chain
doesn't hurt when it breaks, riders shouldn't be subjected to this.
Having a ride break through a chain every once in a while is an
operational flaw that should have been eliminated after the first
incident. Harmless or not, it is no way to run a ride. If this chain
is really needed for the operators, then the park should have closed
down the ride until a more acceptable safety system could be put
in place.

I'm not bashing the operators here. They're working with what they
have been given. I'm assuming the operators reported these incidents
to their manager or supervisor so IMHO blame should rest with management.

If a similar situation would have happened at the park I used to work
at, I might have refused to work on that ride if the situation had
not been changed. My handbook from my former summer employer stated
that "No team member is required to work unsafely." The park "considers
no phase of operation or administration as important as the prevention
of losses involving Team Memebers, Guests, and property."

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Post by Zolta » Tue, 21 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Welcome to the wonderful managment practices the Premier will bring to SFOT.
 (ie plastic chains serving as a saftey device on Vekoma SLCastrators)

Also, since Premier cant figure out how to run more than one train on most of
 their woodies, I think SFTP should remove freeze from Texas.  AFter all, SFTP
 has alot of info. on how this ride is supposed to run.  ParamountParks (PP)
 wont help competitiors run their Premier Rides pieces of garbage since PP wont
 help the competitiors so Premier is screwed when it comes to a Premier Rides
 Piece of LIM steel junk that doesnt work!!!

As for Gordon Peterson's page, he stated before that he wants to stay on SFOT's
 good side.  I think hes well on their bad side given that he does nothing but
 bash the park.  Come on Gordo, if you can get Freeze to work do it, stop
 whining about it.  You act like SFTP bought these rides knowing they wouldnt
 work, you think TWE is happy about spending over 30 million so far on 3 rides
 that never opened?  (taking out chillers 1.5 days of public operation).

Just my 2 cents
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Post by Shawn Mamr » Tue, 21 Oct 1997 04:00:00

Quote:

>Also, since Premier cant figure out how to run more than one train on most of
> their woodies, [...]

Oh, really?  How about we run down the list of Premier woodies and see
if that statement happens to be true or not?

The Comet at the Great Escape almost always runs two trains.  And I know
Twister II at Elitch's was running two trains last year, before Premier
purchased them - I'd be really surprised to hear that that's changed.

OTOH, the Riverside Cyclone and T-bolt only run one, but that's been the
case well before Premier purchased the place, and I've heard talk that
they plan on fixing that very soon.  The Wild One at AW is also one train
only, but I highly doubt that will be carried over to the new GCI twister
going in there next year.

What about the other Premier woodies?  Let's hear from those who regularly
go to some of their other parks.  I'm curious in knowing whether "Zoltar"
actually knows what he's talking about here, or if he's just blowing hot air.

-Shawn Mamros

 
 
 

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Post by RSteven8 » Wed, 22 Oct 1997 04:00:00


Quote:
(Shawn Mamros) writes:
>What about the other Premier woodies?

Kentucky Kingdom has only run one train on Thunder Run:  it will be
interesting to see if Premier changes this.   As for the other rides,
Vampire has one train for obvious reasons, but KK only runs one train on
Chang and T2 on weekdays, even if it's busy.   Will be interesting to see
if Premier changes this.

Roz