Mag brakes on a B&M?

Mag brakes on a B&M?

Post by Phil Hilto » Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:40:14


What's this all about?

http://rcdb.com/installationgallery2536.htm?Picture=9

Things that make ya go, hmmmm.....

 
 
 

Mag brakes on a B&M?

Post by WRAYTH » Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:55:16

Quote:
>What's this all about?

>Things that make ya go, hmmmm.....

Well, from the look of the track piece it seems that they are ut on a section
for the brake run. My only conclusion is that B&M are trying to come up with
ways to eliminate brake wear thus reducing the amount of trims on the ride.

I know that Alpengeist went harder with the mid course trims and the first drop
trim because of how hard it was coming into the end brake run. So I am going
with the magnetic braking system is to be used to reduse wear and tear on the
normal brakes.

Just another example of B&M thinking ahead of the curve, use stationary
magnetic brakes to get the initial speed off of the ride and then their normal
brakes. No chance of brake failure like S:ROS. It does bode well for more
intense rides from B&M if this is the reason for the switch.

Alan
NEMESIS
www.nemesisone.com

 
 
 

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Post by Dave Althoff » Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:41:51

: What's this all about?

: http://rcdb.com/installationgallery2536.htm?Picture=9

: Things that make ya go, hmmmm.....

That looks very strange.

It's hard to tell from the photo, but it looks like a brake fin positioned
to go through those magnetic calipers would be positioned to crash into
the mechanical calipers.  What am I missing here?

Are the magnetic calipers centered on a point well above the mechanical
caliper?

Personally, I think this is a good idea.  I rode four coasters over the
weekend that have magnetic station approach trims, and in every case they
seem to work great.  One of the four coasters doesn't even have friction
brakes on it...

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Mag brakes on a B&M?

Post by Thom » Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:49:08

Quote:
>Just another example of B&M thinking ahead of the curve

Alan, with all due respect, B&M is the last coaster company to think ahead of
the curve. They make a quality ride, dont get me wrong, but they do not think
out of the box. IMO, B&M takes a flawed concept from a competitor and raises
the bar with their quality rides. For example, Arrow developed the suspended,
B&M creates the inverted (same holds true for the flyer and hyper). B&M has yet
to develop a launch system or use magnetic brakes (long overdue imo). I
strongly suspect B&M will eliminate traditional braking all together and move
toward magnetic (it just makes good business sence). FYI, the RoS brake failure
was a design issue (nothing more). All you have to do is look at Intamins
evolution with MF (seats and brakes).

Tom

 
 
 

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Post by Mike Park » Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:00:39

I believe both Nitro and Silver Star use Magnetic Brakes (I think the were
removed on Nitro, but not 100% sure), I know Silver Star was using the Mag
Brakes back during the ECO trip.

I think it's a system where there is the normal B&M brake, then near the top of
the brake "block" on the train there are 2 aluminum fins mounted horizontally
that get accepted by Magnetic calipers on the track.

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Post by Jeff Adam » Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:56:35

Quote:
> Are the magnetic calipers centered on a point well above the mechanical
> caliper?

That's what it looks like.  If you look closely you will notice that there
is a gap in the ties just before the mechanical and make it look as if they
are taller, when in fact the sit right above the ties.  While the mags are a
good distance away from them.
 
 
 

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Post by Evil O » Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:48:39

<<B&M has yetto develop a launch system or use magnetic brakes (long overdue
imo).>>

Yeah. Living in Florida I can only wish and hope that maybe someday, we'll get
the world's first launched B&M ride nearby. Damn, that would be awesome!

 
 
 

Mag brakes on a B&M?

Post by Olov Lundel » Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:41:03

The incredible Hulk isn't enough?

Olov



Quote:
> <<B&M has yetto develop a launch system or use magnetic brakes (long
overdue
> imo).>>

> Yeah. Living in Florida I can only wish and hope that maybe someday, we'll
get
> the world's first launched B&M ride nearby. Damn, that would be awesome!

 
 
 

Mag brakes on a B&M?

Post by CoasterFanati » Sat, 17 Jul 2004 02:52:23



Quote:
> The incredible Hulk isn't enough?

> Olov



>> <<B&M has yetto develop a launch system or use magnetic brakes (long
> overdue
>> imo).>>

>> Yeah. Living in Florida I can only wish and hope that maybe someday,
>> we'll
> get
>> the world's first launched B&M ride nearby. Damn, that would be
>> awesome!

As said before, the launch on Hulk was developed in house or subcontracted.

--
Ted

http://www.coasterfanatics.com
your online source for all things rollercoaster
Relaunching in July 2004

 
 
 

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Post by Olov Lundel » Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:02:47

Yes I know that but it's still a B&M coaster with a launch. What difference
would it be if B&M had made the launch?
I don't see why any Floridian would need another launched coaster when they
allready have 2 or 3 launched coasters/rides.

Olov



Quote:


> > The incredible Hulk isn't enough?

> > Olov



> >> <<B&M has yetto develop a launch system or use magnetic brakes (long
> > overdue
> >> imo).>>

> >> Yeah. Living in Florida I can only wish and hope that maybe someday,
> >> we'll
> > get
> >> the world's first launched B&M ride nearby. Damn, that would be
> >> awesome!

> As said before, the launch on Hulk was developed in house or
subcontracted.

> --
> Ted

> http://www.coasterfanatics.com
> your online source for all things rollercoaster
> Relaunching in July 2004

 
 
 

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Post by Evil O » Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:22:37

<<As said before, the launch on Hulk was developed in house or subcontracted.>>

No kidding- but the comment was more along the lines of B&M launched coaster,
which Hulk absolutely is.

 
 
 

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Post by mamoo » Sat, 17 Jul 2004 04:23:00

Quote:

>> B&M has yet to develop a launch system or
>> use magnetic brakes (long overdue imo).
> Yeah. Living in Florida I can only wish
> and hope that maybe someday, we'll get
> the world's first launched B&M ride nearby.
> Damn, that would be awesome!

He said DEVELOP.  Is it not common knowledge that B&M did not develope
Hulk's launch?  Or is that a myth?
 
 
 

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Post by Thom » Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:33:51

Quote:
>Yeah. Living in Florida I can only wish and hope that maybe someday, we'll
>get
>the world's first launched B&M ride nearby. Damn, that would be awesome!

Actually, the launch on Hulk was sub contrated out (as I understand it). In a
literal sense, B&M has not designed their own launch system (hydrolic, air, or
electric).

Tom

 
 
 

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Post by Thom » Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:35:32

Quote:
>He said DEVELOP.  Is it not common knowledge that B&M did not develope
>Hulk's launch?  Or is that a myth?

Thank you Moosh.

Tom

 
 
 

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Post by Evil O » Sat, 17 Jul 2004 14:48:32

<<Actually, the launch on Hulk was sub contrated out >>

I beleive the statement was something in reguards to B&M desinging a launched
coaster. While they did not develop the technology for the tire drive launch on
the ride, they designed the coaster AS a launched coaster. They DID design Hulk
to be launched, and had someone else with better knowledge of the system design
the launching mechanism itself.