TR: Cedar Point Opening Weekend (5/12-13/11)

TR: Cedar Point Opening Weekend (5/12-13/11)

Post by GodsOnSafar » Tue, 15 May 2012 10:35:07


Brief trip report from opening weekend on some of the changes over at
the Cedar Fair flagship:

-Dinosaurs Alive is the new for 2012 attraction. I've never done the
Kings Island version, so I can't speak for the quality thereof or for
any of the other variants out there. I get that it makes money and
kids love it. We saw quite a few that were really geeked about the
animatronic dinos. Personally, I think it sucks. As one not beholden
to a corporate master and without commercial connection to the
industry, this peon thinks the attraction is a colossal waste of time
that has done little to enhance the overall experience of the park,
but does plenty to create plenty of WTF moments. Case in point;
hurtling around a giant T-Rex animatronic like a brokeass Jurassic
Park. I get the value, I get why it is at Cedar Point, I get why Cedar
Fair bought an armada of dinosaurs. The appeal is entirely lost on me,
which I suppose is why I never rushed to any local museum to see
similar touring exhibitions of robot creatures. But I had to see it at
least once in my life, right? I sound like a negative old man who
hates fun and perhaps I do.

-The food is still hit and miss. The new burgers are delicious, though
oddly Cedar Point considers it unnecessary to put on tomatoes,
lettuce, pickles, onions, or actually any fixings other than cheese.
Hooray for the complex palates of the Cedar Point local. Perhaps it
was just the location we bought the burger at (next to Dinosaurs Alive
in Snoopy's somethingsomethingland). That place also served the single
most ghetto meal I've ever seen at a theme park - macaroni and cheese
slapped in half of a styrofoam take out container. The new hand cut
fries were quite tasty as well. I can't give everything a bad mark
here. Some steps forwards finally in this respect.

-Luminosity is still obviously under construction. Matter of fact, a
lot of venues are. The ex-Aquatic Theater/Extreme Wheels whatever show
was getting put together too. I won't make a call on Luminosity until
I see it run. Obviously its a ripoff of ElecTRONica, but since I like
ElecTRONica, I'm not horribly offended that they would do such a
thing. Wildcat's departure feels generally meaningless in the grand
scheme of things. Ridding the world of the laser show screen also
means that the midway now terminates (somewhat) at the train station,
which makes quite the focal point. It looks grand.

-Rides were up and down on opening day. Can't really speak much for
today (Sunday) because we left early. At one point when we were in the
back of the park, Mean Streak, Maverick, Skyhawk, Shoot The Rapids,
and Wave *** were all down (in addition to Thunder Canyon and
Snake River, which aren't slated to open until later anyhow). Probably
just opening weekend jitters. On the upside, Blue Streak and Gemini's
stations areas look a lot better. Gemini's queues have been widened to
better accommodate wheel chairs and can actually fit real live
***s.

-From what we heard, the Fast Lane system was working very well, with
attendants helping people join the line right at the station or in a
similar position generally, and with heavily reduced wait times. On a
day like Saturday where wait times for some of the primary attractions
like Millennium Force and Maverick generally stayed around the 2 hour
mark, that's especially valuable.

-Main arcade has been cleaned up a little - the classic games are
mostly working (more than I can remember in the past) and have been
pushed into a more compact space. There's enough room now in the
arcade to allow for a counter service restaurant or an expansion of
some other higher cost type things (like the lazer maze or bowling).
The arcade in the back of the park by Maverick has been reduced in
size (I think?) for a new First Aid facility. The skeeball was
entirely removed. Also greatly reduced in size: Snoopy Boutique. The
whole little themed playground-like area in there with The Great
Pumpkin? Gone. New drywall. Sad, but then again, that building has
been used for a thousand things, including a dark ride. I'd prefer
that back.

-New LED light packages were something else. Its years late to talk
about it being the future, I know this, but man the Giant Wheel was
gorgeous. We stared at it for about 30-45 minutes. Just looked at it.
I was plenty content with doing just that. New paint on MF and Blue
Streak is nice too.

-We planned on staying at the park on some ironman shit till late in
the day Sunday. Then we got drunk Saturday night and encountered the
new beds. The Bon Aire section has been completely redone - there's
new furniture in the room, new toilets, new tubs, new beds, new flat
screen TVs. We paid $79 a night and I shit you not - from the
perspective of room cleanliness and amenities, it was the best
standard hotel room we've ever had in Sandusky. The problem was the
new mattresses, which were rock hard. I'd have been better off
sleeping on the floor, probably. I mean, you switch those out or give
some eggcrate toppers on the beds, and you'd be in good ass shape. We
got about 5 hours of shut-eye before giving up. Again, its an
improvement. At least the room now looks and smells appetizing.

Back in the day when people bought software and video games, they were
generally finished products. You plunk down $50, that's it. Somewhere
along the line, the complexity of the games meant that PC software
buyers (and even console gamers now) who bought opening weekend became
glorified beta testers. When this became a business practice in the
early part of the 2000s, people hated it. It was commonly derided. Now
we just accept it as part of the deal. There's a complexity level
involved as the technology has grown to where it has become an
accepted reality that you will buy shit and then download a million
fixes before the software is simply abandoned for the next version.

We've been at that point now with seasonal parks for about the same
amount of time. They operate longer than ever (well, some of them)
with more rides than ever that are bigger than ever, and so the first
few weekends are hardly a well oiled machine out there. Lots of
nervous energy being burned off by the new kids, and maintenance
trying to get things to consistently run the way they're supposed to.
There's a part of it that sucks, yeah. But after a long winter, you're
willing to forgive that to go enjoy great rides again. Its easier to
talk about the imperfections than the constant good - Millennium
Force, Magnum, Gemini, Raptor, and so on are all still great rides.
Ultimately, if all the rides I like are still running along with all
the stupid little stuff I enjoy about Cedar Point (the beach, the
petting zoo/farm museum, Mill, Frontier Trail, etc), then how angry
can I really get about Dinosaurs Alive? Its not a doomed charmless
hellhole yet and in fact is very far from it. I guess what I'm saying
is that while all the cap-ex hasn't wow'ed me, I still like going.

 
 
 

TR: Cedar Point Opening Weekend (5/12-13/11)

Post by skiguy77 » Tue, 15 May 2012 21:14:37

Quote:

> Brief trip report from opening weekend on some of the changes over at
> the Cedar Fair flagship:

Great TR, and you were honest.     If people don't complain, then the suits don't hear why the attendance is dropping.   Attendance report from last year can come out any time between now and the end of June.   Will be interesting to see where CP stands.

Rides not operating is a bummer, but the same thing happened last year at CP, the opening day reports were horrible.    New attraction doesn't make me want to visit either, it's fluff.    

Since KI got the huge Hyper a couple years ago, it stands to reason the CP is the next park to get something big.   It's been since 2007 since they got a new coaster.   That's 5 years of fluff unless we count KI as the sister park.  

This entire year is fluff if you ask me.   None of the new rides seems to be ready.   More like a couple months away.   And that's what sucks in the coaster world.   All this hype about a new ride, and it's never open on time.   The only exception to this was Diamond Back at KI which opened in April.    Because of that, I bought a ticket and went up and rode it a month later.  But in terms of Hershey and Dollyworld, the rides are not ready.  Yet the parks are hyping them.    They get away with this by saying "Summer of 2012."    That can mean anytime between July and September.   Now is when those new rides need to be open.   And heck, Dollyworld is open almost year around.    But CP is the start of the coaster season.      

 
 
 

TR: Cedar Point Opening Weekend (5/12-13/11)

Post by GodsOnSafar » Tue, 15 May 2012 21:26:24

Quote:
> This entire year is fluff if you ask me. ? None of the new rides seems to be ready. ? More like a couple months away. ? And that's what sucks in the coaster world. ? All this hype about a new ride, and it's never open on time. ? The only exception to this was Diamond Back at KI which opened in April. ? ?Because of that, I bought a ticket and went up and rode it a month later. ?But in terms of Hershey and Dollyworld, the rides are not ready. ?Yet the parks are hyping them. ? ?They get away with this by saying "Summer of 2012." ? ?That can mean anytime between July and September. ? Now is when those new rides need to be open. ? And heck, Dollyworld is open almost year around. ? ?But CP is the start of the coaster season.

Uhhh, Wild Eagle opened already. Like awhile ago too. Media Day was
way back in March. It may have even opened with the park.

 
 
 

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Post by calcaju » Tue, 15 May 2012 21:56:22

Quote:


> > Brief trip report from opening weekend on some of the changes over at
> > the Cedar Fair flagship:

> Great TR, and you were honest.     If people don't complain, then the suits don't hear why the attendance is dropping.   Attendance report from last year can come out any time between now and the end of June.   Will be interesting to see where CP stands.

> Rides not operating is a bummer, but the same thing happened last year at CP, the opening day reports were horrible.    New attraction doesn't make me want to visit either, it's fluff.    

> Since KI got the huge Hyper a couple years ago, it stands to reason the CP is the next park to get something big.   It's been since 2007 since they got a new coaster.   That's 5 years of fluff unless we count KI as the sister park.  

> This entire year is fluff if you ask me.   None of the new rides seems to be >ready.   More like a couple months away.   And that's what sucks in the >coaster world.   All this hype about a new ride, and it's never open on >time.   The only exception to this was Diamond Back at KI which opened in >April.    Because of that, I bought a ticket and went up and rode it a month >later.  But in terms of Hershey and Dollyworld, the rides are not ready.  Yet >the parks are hyping them.    They get away with this by saying "Summer of 2012>."    That can mean anytime between July and September.   Now is when those >new rides need to be open.   And heck, Dollyworld is open almost year >around.    But CP is the start of the coaster season.

I think it is inevitable that opening of the season will suck. Even here at the little park in denver, Every major ride was shutting itself down or inexperienced ride ops were setting them up. Then something happened to MTII which had Maint doing major track work Fri and Sat and one of the trains are out of commision now. Before i use to think some were exagerating. Here, the coasters would shut down every 3rd dispatch and maint would have to come re start them. The rides are still being flakey after three weekends. This includes the Intamin Drop Tower and Sally dark ride. One of the good advantages of a season pass. Now if your going to travel a distance to a park, I would give it a few weeks before going.
 
 
 

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Post by ldnayma » Tue, 15 May 2012 22:36:41


Quote:
> > This entire year is fluff if you ask me. ? None of the new rides seems to be ready. ? More like a couple months away. ? And that's what sucks in the coaster world. ? All this hype about a new ride, and it's never open on time. ? The only exception to this was Diamond Back at KI which opened in April. ? ?Because of that, I bought a ticket and went up and rode it a month later. ?But in terms of Hershey and Dollyworld, the rides are not ready. ?Yet the parks are hyping them. ? ?They get away with this by saying "Summer of 2012." ? ?That can mean anytime between July and September. ? Now is when those new rides need to be open. ? And heck, Dollyworld is open almost year around. ? ?But CP is the start of the coaster season.

> Uhhh, Wild Eagle opened already. Like awhile ago too. Media Day was
> way back in March. It may have even opened with the park.

X-flight is open in Chicago.
 
 
 

TR: Cedar Point Opening Weekend (5/12-13/11)

Post by p s » Wed, 16 May 2012 11:33:55



Quote:
> > This entire year is fluff if you ask me. None of the new rides seems to
> > be ready. More like a couple months away. And that's what sucks in the
> > coaster world. All this hype about a new ride, and it's never open on
> > time. The only exception to this was Diamond Back at KI which opened in
> > April. Because of that, I bought a ticket and went up and rode it a
> > month later. But in terms of Hershey and Dollyworld, the rides are not
> > ready. Yet the parks are hyping them. They get away with this by saying
> > "Summer of 2012." That can mean anytime between July and September. Now
> > is when those new rides need to be open. And heck, Dollyworld is open
> > almost year around. But CP is the start of the coaster season.

and Leviathan was also ready for the season opener too.  Hershey opens this
weekend and Skyrush opens the weekend after.... not "a couple months away".
 
 
 

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Post by Surf Dance Chri » Wed, 16 May 2012 11:54:26


Quote:



> > > This entire year is fluff if you ask me. None of the new rides seems to
> > > be ready. More like a couple months away. And that's what sucks in the
> > > coaster world. All this hype about a new ride, and it's never open on
> > > time. The only exception to this was Diamond Back at KI which opened in
> > > April. Because of that, I bought a ticket and went up and rode it a
> > > month later. But in terms of Hershey and Dollyworld, the rides are not
> > > ready. Yet the parks are hyping them. They get away with this by saying
> > > "Summer of 2012." That can mean anytime between July and September. Now
> > > is when those new rides need to be open. And heck, Dollyworld is open
> > > almost year around. But CP is the start of the coaster season.

> and Leviathan was also ready for the season opener too. ?Hershey opens this
> weekend and Skyrush opens the weekend after.... not "a couple months away".

As much as I'd love for new attractions to open when the season
starts, I think Memorial Day weekend is a reasonable goal for the
parks to have the new attraction up and running. Anything later than
that as a goal is too late. Of course, if there are legitimate
unexpected setbacks that's one thing, but from a marketing standpoint,
"new for 20xx", should be by Memorial Day 20xx.

I'll be at Hershey later this week, and knew all along SkyRush
probably won't be open (this visit to Hershey is a side trip simply
because I'll be in the area anyway). That's not to say I'm not hoping
the ride has a soft opening though! But, I'm not expecting it and I'm
fine with that. If this trip was to ride the new ride I definitely
would have made t for later this summer.

 
 
 

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Post by ldnayma » Wed, 16 May 2012 12:34:23


Quote:

> I'll be at Hershey later this week, and knew all along SkyRush
> probably won't be open (this visit to Hershey is a side trip simply
> because I'll be in the area anyway). That's not to say I'm not hoping
> the ride has a soft opening though! But, I'm not expecting it and I'm
> fine with that. If this trip was to ride the new ride I definitely
> would have made t for later this summer.

The REAL question is - will the SooperDooperLooper be open?
 
 
 

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Post by David H.--REMOVE » Wed, 16 May 2012 16:56:07

Quote:




>> > This entire year is fluff if you ask me. None of the new rides seems to
>> > be ready. More like a couple months away. And that's what sucks in the
>> > coaster world. All this hype about a new ride, and it's never open on
>> > time. The only exception to this was Diamond Back at KI which opened in
>> > April. Because of that, I bought a ticket and went up and rode it a
>> > month later. But in terms of Hershey and Dollyworld, the rides are not
>> > ready. Yet the parks are hyping them. They get away with this by saying
>> > "Summer of 2012." That can mean anytime between July and September. Now
>> > is when those new rides need to be open. And heck, Dollyworld is open
>> > almost year around. But CP is the start of the coaster season.

>and Leviathan was also ready for the season opener too.  Hershey opens this
>weekend and Skyrush opens the weekend after.... not "a couple months away".

What do any of these things have to do with a good rant?

;-)

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 the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
 all irrevocably."  -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
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Post by skiguy77 » Wed, 16 May 2012 23:07:40

Quote:

> and Leviathan was also ready for the season opener too.  Hershey opens this
> weekend and Skyrush opens the weekend after.... not "a couple months away".

But it's not open right now, that's the problem.   I see no POVs of SkyRush, only testing videos.   It was the POV video of Diamond Back being open in April that made me book a ticket to CMH to ride it.  

So what people are trying to say around here, is the coaster season is from May 28th to when the kids go back to school at the end of August?    That's only 3 months.    October has horrible crowds for the Halloween stuff, and the parks are only open on the weekends during Sept/Oct.    That would prove why Disney kills the attendance figures being open all year around.  

It's like CP opens up and takes a few weeks to get going, and everyone is perfectly fine with it, except for me and the OP above to tell it like it is.    Don't you people realize the GP feels the same way I do?   Which would explain why the attendance numbers don't jump when a new ride is put in.   People know it won't be working to start the season, or won't be open until later in the year.    Better to wait it out and go the NEXT year.    

 
 
 

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Post by ldnayma » Thu, 17 May 2012 00:00:59


Quote:
> > and Leviathan was also ready for the season opener too. ?Hershey opens this
> > weekend and Skyrush opens the weekend after.... not "a couple months away".

> But it's not open right now, that's the problem. ? I see no POVs of SkyRush, only testing videos. ? It was the POV video of Diamond Back being open in April that made me book a ticket to CMH to ride it.

> So what people are trying to say around here, is the coaster season is from May 28th to when the kids go back to school at the end of August? ? ?That's only 3 months. ? ?October has horrible crowds for the Halloween stuff, and the parks are only open on the weekends during Sept/Oct. ? ?That would prove why Disney kills the attendance figures being open all year around.

> It's like CP opens up and takes a few weeks to get going, and everyone is perfectly fine with it, except for me and the OP above to tell it like it is. ? ?Don't you people realize the GP feels the same way I do? ? Which would explain why the attendance numbers don't jump when a new ride is put in. ? People know it won't be working to start the season, or won't be open until later in the year. ? ?Better to wait it out and go the NEXT year.

I think it boils down to: "Tough Shit."

These coasters are done when they are done, the parks don't owe you
anything. I had a business trip to Chicago, and a friend came along so
we could hit Six Flags here. We knew there was a good possibility that
X-Flight wouldn't be open, we were thrilled that it was. Good luck for
us.

It's not like setting up a carny ride. This stuff takes time. They'll
open when they open.

 
 
 

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Post by GodsOnSafar » Thu, 17 May 2012 02:07:36

Quote:
>It's like CP opens up and takes a few weeks to get going, and everyone is perfectly fine with it, >except for me and the OP above to tell it like it is. ? ?Don't you people realize the GP feels the >same way I do? ? Which would explain why the attendance numbers don't jump when a new ride is put in. >People know it won't be working to start the season, or won't be open until later in the year. ? >Better to wait it out and go the NEXT year.

I know its easy to knock on homes all the time, but honestly, there's
some truth to this. How many attractions out of the last 10 that Cedar
Point's built ended up having serious teething issues opening year and
were closed for periods of time or opened rather late compared to the
opening day of the park?
 
 
 

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Post by Theme Park Revie » Thu, 17 May 2012 04:12:31


"Then we got drunk Saturday night"

I feel partially responsible.  =)

 
 
 

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Post by David H.--REMOVE » Thu, 17 May 2012 04:50:21

On Tue, 15 May 2012 10:07:36 -0700 (PDT), GodsOnSafari

Quote:

>>It's like CP opens up and takes a few weeks to get going, and everyone is perfectly fine with it, >except for me and the OP above to tell it like it is. ? ?Don't you people realize the GP feels the >same way I do? ? Which would explain why the attendance numbers don't jump when a new ride is put in. >People know it won't be working to start the season, or won't be open until later in the year. ? >Better to wait it out and go the NEXT year.

>I know its easy to knock on homes all the time, but honestly, there's
>some truth to this. How many attractions out of the last 10 that Cedar
>Point's built ended up having serious teething issues opening year and
>were closed for periods of time or opened rather late compared to the
>opening day of the park?

But the thing is that the vast majority of park goers don't really pay much
attention to all that.  Look at the numbers.  Even when parks put in
reliable rides that open with the park season, it's rare for a new ride to
come with even a 10% increase in attendance.  Sure a 2-10% increase is tens
of millions of dollars.  

But the vast majority of people actually just go to the parks to have some
fun with friends.  After all, look at how many people spend most of the day
at the water park, completely ignoring the dry rides.  And how many people
show up 1-5 hours after opening or leave hours early, because they don't
need to get through an agenda of rides: they just want to have some fun.

For regional parks, national and international tourism is mostly
irrelevant.  If it's even 1-2% of their attendance at anywhere besides
Cedar Point and maybe Holiday World, I'd be very surprised.  And while a
small percentage of the locals pay attention to the new rides going in, the
vast majority don't.  And if they care that much about whether a new ride
is open, they'll seek out that information online.

 "With the first link, a chain is forged.  The first speech censured,
 the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
 all irrevocably."  -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
                     "The Drumhead", _Star Trek: The Next Generation_