NEWS: Ride manufacturer says woman who fell to her death was too big for ride

NEWS: Ride manufacturer says woman who fell to her death was too big for ride

Post by JackTheRipp » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:46:33


Ride manufacturer says woman who fell to her death was too big for
ride

236 words
24 October 2001
06:54
Associated Press Newswires
English
Copyright 2001. The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

LOS ANGELES (AP) - A woman who fell to her death on a water ride at
Knott's Berry Farm last month couldn't be belted in properly because
she was too big for the ride, the manufacturer said.

A coroner's report released Monday found the abdomen of Lori
Mason-Larez, 40, was eight inches bigger than the 50-inch seatbelt,
said Sandor Kernacs, president of ride manufacturer Intamin Ltd.

He said Mason-Larez should not have gotten on the ride if she could
not be safely restrained.

Mason-Larez's family is suing the amu***t park, its owner, Cedar
Fair LP, and Intamin for unspecified damages.

The family's attorney, Marc Feldman, said abrasions on Mason-Larez's
thighs indicate she was belted in before she fell. Investigators have
reportedly speculated the nearly 300-pound woman placed the belt below
her abdomen.

Feldman maintains weight was not a factor in Mason-Larez's death, and
noted that the only restriction placed on the "Perilous Plunge" ride
was that passengers be at least 4 feet tall.

Kernacs said customers would contest weight or waist-size
restrictions. "Basically we cannot discriminate against anybody," he
said.

The state Division of Occupation Safety and Health is investigating
the death.

Knott's Berry Farm's general manager did not immediately return a call
seeking comment.

 
 
 

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Post by Mike » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:21:13

What's really sad here is the woman probably would have sued or caused a
huge ruckus if they had told her she was too large to ride. Guess you just
can't win.

Mike


Quote:
> Ride manufacturer says woman who fell to her death was too big for
> ride

> 236 words
> 24 October 2001
> 06:54
> Associated Press Newswires
> English
> Copyright 2001. The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

> LOS ANGELES (AP) - A woman who fell to her death on a water ride at
> Knott's Berry Farm last month couldn't be belted in properly because
> she was too big for the ride, the manufacturer said.

> A coroner's report released Monday found the abdomen of Lori
> Mason-Larez, 40, was eight inches bigger than the 50-inch seatbelt,
> said Sandor Kernacs, president of ride manufacturer Intamin Ltd.

> He said Mason-Larez should not have gotten on the ride if she could
> not be safely restrained.

> Mason-Larez's family is suing the amu***t park, its owner, Cedar
> Fair LP, and Intamin for unspecified damages.

> The family's attorney, Marc Feldman, said abrasions on Mason-Larez's
> thighs indicate she was belted in before she fell. Investigators have
> reportedly speculated the nearly 300-pound woman placed the belt below
> her abdomen.

> Feldman maintains weight was not a factor in Mason-Larez's death, and
> noted that the only restriction placed on the "Perilous Plunge" ride
> was that passengers be at least 4 feet tall.

> Kernacs said customers would contest weight or waist-size
> restrictions. "Basically we cannot discriminate against anybody," he
> said.

> The state Division of Occupation Safety and Health is investigating
> the death.

> Knott's Berry Farm's general manager did not immediately return a call
> seeking comment.


 
 
 

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Post by Daniel W. Rouse Jr » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 02:30:29

The abrasions on her thighs could have also been caused by the lapbar,
otherwise, the seatbelt would not have been buckled (unless the belt wasn't
buckled or the buckle failed, and an operator or someone else buckled it
after the accident but before the investigation).

Still, this is major operator error, and a major lapbar design flaw--If the
rider is too large, the restraint shouldn't lock. Then again, there are
allegations that the bars were not checked, so maybe the bar wasn't locked?

Knotts and Intamin should pay lots of money!

I'd also like to see the ride dismantled and removed just on
principle--someone dies... if it's a safety problem, you pay lots of money
and you lose the ride.

I know I'll be flamed for this, but that's just Usenet--a life was lost due
to operator error and a safety design flaw... regardless of the size of the
rider, the entire roller-coaster enthusiast community and the general public
should be outraged.
--
--
Daniel W. Rouse Jr.

WWW: http://SportToday.org/


Quote:
> Ride manufacturer says woman who fell to her death was too big for
> ride

> 236 words
> 24 October 2001
> 06:54
> Associated Press Newswires
> English
> Copyright 2001. The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

> LOS ANGELES (AP) - A woman who fell to her death on a water ride at
> Knott's Berry Farm last month couldn't be belted in properly because
> she was too big for the ride, the manufacturer said.

> A coroner's report released Monday found the abdomen of Lori
> Mason-Larez, 40, was eight inches bigger than the 50-inch seatbelt,
> said Sandor Kernacs, president of ride manufacturer Intamin Ltd.

> He said Mason-Larez should not have gotten on the ride if she could
> not be safely restrained.

> Mason-Larez's family is suing the amu***t park, its owner, Cedar
> Fair LP, and Intamin for unspecified damages.

> The family's attorney, Marc Feldman, said abrasions on Mason-Larez's
> thighs indicate she was belted in before she fell. Investigators have
> reportedly speculated the nearly 300-pound woman placed the belt below
> her abdomen.

> Feldman maintains weight was not a factor in Mason-Larez's death, and
> noted that the only restriction placed on the "Perilous Plunge" ride
> was that passengers be at least 4 feet tall.

> Kernacs said customers would contest weight or waist-size
> restrictions. "Basically we cannot discriminate against anybody," he
> said.

> The state Division of Occupation Safety and Health is investigating
> the death.

> Knott's Berry Farm's general manager did not immediately return a call
> seeking comment.


 
 
 

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Post by Derek Ru » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 05:53:30

Quote:
>I'd also like to see the ride dismantled and removed just on
>principle--someone dies... if it's a safety problem, you pay lots of money
>and you lose the ride.

>I know I'll be flamed for this, but that's just Usenet--a life was lost due
>to operator error and a safety design flaw... regardless of the size of the
>rider, the entire roller-coaster enthusiast community and the general public
>should be outraged.

You're damn skippy you're going to get flamed.  So lets get this straight,
someone dies on something, that something should be removed?  OK, so how are
you going to get around?  People die in car accidents every day, guess they
should stop producing cars.  Airplanes crash, should they stop letting people
fly?  In fact, I'm pretty sure people have died while on the computer, so you
shouldn't even be reading this, you should be in your little bubble with your
little safety helmet on while your mommy protects you.

Last time I checked, a seatBELT was supposed to go where a belt goes.  Just
because this woman was so large that NASA thought she was her own planet when
her 8 kids were circling around her in an orbit-like state and she couldn't fit
the belt around her waste (where belts usually go) doesn't mean that the
manufacturer should suffer from this.  I will say that this IS operator error,
but why Intamin should pay for this makes no sense at all.  Just typical people
out trying to blame everyone possible and get as much for free as possible.

Stop reading this, Mr Daniel W. Rouse Jr., go back to your fallout shelter, a
bomb may fall soon, don't check the mail, there may be anthrax, don't eat with
a knife, they can cut you, don't eat with a fork, they may poke you, don't
drive anywhere, don't touch anything.  The grim reaper may be lurking right
around that corner, and once he strikes one person, anything that person was
doing should be banned from anyone else, for their own protection.

Meanwhile, the rest of us will carry on our with our life, only annoyed that
rides like this are still closed when there really isn't any problem with the
ride, just the riders.  If we're outraged about anything, its the fact that
Intamin is getting blamed when they clearly just stated that she should not
have been riding, she was too big to fit the seatbelt.  Nuff said, thank you
Sandor.  You continue to build it, I'll continue to ride it.

Yup, people die every day, its part of life.  Its sad that she died, its sad
that she wasn't checked properly and escorted off the ride when they found out
she wasn't suited for the ride, its sad that we're at war with the rest of the
country.  Its also sad that in todays society, the family mourns for a good 10
minutes and then goes right to the lawyer to sue, not only the park and the
park chain, but also the ride manufacturer, when the manufacturer isn't to
blame for any of this.  They explained WHY she didn't meet the requirements for
the ride, its not their fault.  But should we be outraged at the ride itself
and its manufacturer?  No.  Had she been properly secured, and suddenly POOF!
20 seconds into the ride her lapbar suddenly pops up, her seatbelt frays off
and breaks, and she falls to her death, then yes, then we be outraged at the
manufacturer.  But this isn't the case.

Your little "taer it down, its a death trap" and "it needs OTSR" speeches are
really annoying and unnecessary.  You like to claim about Usenet bandwidth and
stuff, practice it dude.

All clear...Dispatch, enjoy your ride,

Derek Ruth---RLRCoastr1
===================
http://www.vekomarules.com was designed, built, and tested by the finest
engineers at Vekoma.
Do not expect to see this website in operation any time soon.

 
 
 

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Post by Wolf » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 05:58:36

Quote:
> The abrasions on her thighs could have also been caused by the lapbar,
> otherwise, the seatbelt would not have been buckled (unless the belt
wasn't
> buckled or the buckle failed, and an operator or someone else buckled it
> after the accident but before the investigation).

> Still, this is major operator error, and a major lapbar design flaw--If
the
> rider is too large, the restraint shouldn't lock. Then again, there are
> allegations that the bars were not checked, so maybe the bar wasn't
locked?

> Knotts and Intamin should pay lots of money!

If Intamin provided rider specs, then they are for the most part covered.
You cannot design for 100% of the population. This is why we have size
limits.

The ASTM standard is 170lb, 5'10, and male.
A 330lb, 5' female is most likely out of spec, and Intamin knows this. I
suspect Knott's did too.

The problem is that turning away an obese rider prompts a lawsuit as often
as anything else does. We reach a twice-damned situation.

Quote:
> I'd also like to see the ride dismantled and removed just on
> principle--someone dies... if it's a safety problem, you pay lots of money
> and you lose the ride.

By this principle, there would be somewhere in the nature of 500 rides. Any
flat ride w/ a fatality, taer them all down. Any coaster with a fatality,
taer them all down. You know Montezuma's Revenge, no probs for 23 years?
Oops, torch it.

I don't think any pre-WWII coasters would be remaining, nor any *** flat
rides.

Quote:
> I know I'll be flamed for this, but that's just Usenet--a life was lost
due
> to operator error and a safety design flaw... regardless of the size of
the
> rider, the entire roller-coaster enthusiast community and the general
public
> should be outraged.

This has not been proven. The manufacturer has stated that the rider was
outside the specs of the ride. They did not design the restraints to
accomodate her. The human body is infinitely variable. You cannot design for
100% of the population.

It has also not been ruled out whether passenger misbehavior was a factor.

What do you advocate here? If one person at an amu***t park breaks the
rules, do you execute them? Or do you just arrest everybody. It seems an
equivalency with what you advocate.

--
|\-/|
<0 0>
=(o)=
-Wolf

 
 
 

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Post by Wolf » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:10:16

Quote:
> You're damn skippy you're going to get flamed.  So lets get this straight,
> someone dies on something, that something should be removed?  OK, so how
are
> you going to get around?  People die in car accidents every day, guess
they
> should stop producing cars.  Airplanes crash, should they stop letting
people
> fly?  In fact, I'm pretty sure people have died while on the computer, so
you
> shouldn't even be reading this, you should be in your little bubble with
your
> little safety helmet on while your mommy protects you.

Didn't the Bubble Boy die in the bubble?

You know, 100% of all people who breathe, die.

--
|\-/|
<0 0>
=(o)=
-Wolf

 
 
 

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Post by Robert Ma » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:36:57

Quote:

>If Intamin provided rider specs, then they are for the most part covered.
>You cannot design for 100% of the population. This is why we have size
>limits.

>The ASTM standard is 170lb, 5'10, and male.
>A 330lb, 5' female is most like
>The problem is that turning away an obese rider prompts a lawsuit as often
>as anything else does. We reach a twice-damned situation.

If you can turn away shory people(midgets) why can't you turn away the obeese?
 Rob Mack
Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofa*** die for
his.--George S. Patton  
Don't Trade Freedom For Fear! Robert J. Mack
 
 
 

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Post by Wolf » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:26:37

Quote:
> >The ASTM standard is 170lb, 5'10, and male.
> >A 330lb, 5' female is most like

> >The problem is that turning away an obese rider prompts a lawsuit as
often
> >as anything else does. We reach a twice-damned situation.

> If you can turn away shory people(midgets) why can't you turn away the
obese?
>  Rob Mack

Simply? Because it's not traditional.

Back in the day of the single-position lapbar, you fit or you didn't. Most
fat people could fit. That's changed.

--
|\-/|
<0 0>
=(o)=
-Wolf

 
 
 

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Post by Bret Jacob » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:12:40

Wrong Answer.

You are the weakest link - Goodbye!

By your logic Splash Mountain should be taken out because some IDIOT stood up
and stepped out of the boat during one of the "slower" parts, then got paved
over by the next boat.

Now, if there was operator error, as has been alleged, (and I say alleged
because I doubt the veracity of the claim) that's a different error.  However, a
blanket statement like 'if somone dies on your ride, you lose it" is just
stupid.


Quote:
> The abrasions on her thighs could have also been caused by the lapbar,
> otherwise, the seatbelt would not have been buckled (unless the belt wasn't
> buckled or the buckle failed, and an operator or someone else buckled it
> after the accident but before the investigation).

> Still, this is major operator error, and a major lapbar design flaw--If the
> rider is too large, the restraint shouldn't lock. Then again, there are
> allegations that the bars were not checked, so maybe the bar wasn't locked?

> Knotts and Intamin should pay lots of money!

> I'd also like to see the ride dismantled and removed just on
> principle--someone dies... if it's a safety problem, you pay lots of money
> and you lose the ride.

> I know I'll be flamed for this, but that's just Usenet--a life was lost due
> to operator error and a safety design flaw... regardless of the size of the
> rider, the entire roller-coaster enthusiast community and the general public
> should be outraged.
> --
> --
> Daniel W. Rouse Jr.

> WWW: http://SportToday.org/



> > Ride manufacturer says woman who fell to her death was too big for
> > ride

> > 236 words
> > 24 October 2001
> > 06:54
> > Associated Press Newswires
> > English
> > Copyright 2001. The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

> > LOS ANGELES (AP) - A woman who fell to her death on a water ride at
> > Knott's Berry Farm last month couldn't be belted in properly because
> > she was too big for the ride, the manufacturer said.

> > A coroner's report released Monday found the abdomen of Lori
> > Mason-Larez, 40, was eight inches bigger than the 50-inch seatbelt,
> > said Sandor Kernacs, president of ride manufacturer Intamin Ltd.

> > He said Mason-Larez should not have gotten on the ride if she could
> > not be safely restrained.

> > Mason-Larez's family is suing the amu***t park, its owner, Cedar
> > Fair LP, and Intamin for unspecified damages.

> > The family's attorney, Marc Feldman, said abrasions on Mason-Larez's
> > thighs indicate she was belted in before she fell. Investigators have
> > reportedly speculated the nearly 300-pound woman placed the belt below
> > her abdomen.

> > Feldman maintains weight was not a factor in Mason-Larez's death, and
> > noted that the only restriction placed on the "Perilous Plunge" ride
> > was that passengers be at least 4 feet tall.

> > Kernacs said customers would contest weight or waist-size
> > restrictions. "Basically we cannot discriminate against anybody," he
> > said.

> > The state Division of Occupation Safety and Health is investigating
> > the death.

> > Knott's Berry Farm's general manager did not immediately return a call
> > seeking comment.

 
 
 

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Post by Flar » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:16:34


Quote:
> Knotts and Intamin should pay lots of money!

> I'd also like to see the ride dismantled and removed just on
> principle--someone dies... if it's a safety problem, you pay lots of money
> and you lose the ride.

> I know I'll be flamed for this, but that's just Usenet--a life was lost due
> to operator error and a safety design flaw... regardless of the size of the
> rider, the entire roller-coaster enthusiast community and the general public
> should be outraged.

I'm not going to flame you Daniel... If I recall correctly, last Winter you
"Single Postedly" rectified a really bummer mood around here.  I think it was
the most prolifically pounced on post ever! Job well done.  I'm sure come
January, the board'll be ready for another spectacular post of yours.

The principles of misfortunate circumstance relating to this tragic mishap are
still rather sketchy, by my consideration.  To denounce a park and ride
manufacture with such venom is not necessarily going to help in "fixing" what's
wrong, ounce it's truly known.

I can't make presumptuous statements as to how this happened;  though
operations error seems very likely, as a "SEAT BELT" properly fastened, low and
tight on your lap, should keep you where you are. My guess would be her seat
belt wasn't properly fastened.  That, in its self, should clear Intiman from
blame.  As for Knott's, they'll be the one held accountable, most likely.

But Daniel, to taer it down as a result of an accident that potentially had
NOTHING to do with the ride's saftey????  With that mentality, you'd be
clapping, once the Coney Cylcone, and others, were to be brought down as well?

You're affraid of the Plunge...THAT'S what it is. :-)P

Dave
-*scratch*...*scratch*

 
 
 

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Post by DJayAntho » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:28:34

Quote:
>> someone dies on something, that something should be removed?  OK,

ok then the mindbender should have been closed at that big mall right?? it
killed 2 people i think, and it was not operator fault!!!
 
 
 

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Post by BaSSiSti » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:35:00



Quote:
>You're damn skippy you're going to get flamed.  

Now, Derek, is that any way to talk to the "Savior of RRC"?   ;-)

I'm still waiting for cars to be outlawed. They KILL PEOPLE!!!!!

Mike Miller - On the gravy train to coaster nirvana

"Nostradamous correctly predicted that you would falsely attribute this
witty retort to the one who rides the great zipper, and not the one who
slaps the stringed shaft." - The Dude, 9/13/01

PoTP!

 
 
 

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Post by Locobo » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:06:42

Quote:

> If you can turn away shory people(midgets) why can't you turn away the obeese?

        Are you familiar with politically correct California?  You might get
sued for discrimination for either of the above situations.
 
 
 

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Post by Locobo » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:08:53

Quote:

> What's really sad here is the woman probably would have sued or caused a
> huge ruckus if they had told her she was too large to ride. Guess you just
> can't win.

> Mike

        Yep.  But the park will just raise ticket prices so they won't lose one
cent by passing on the cost of any lawsuits to the customers.  I often
wonder what percentage of a California park ticket price goes towards
legal fees.