Which traditional parks are at the top the endangered list?

Which traditional parks are at the top the endangered list?

Post by AirtimeJunki » Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:53:27


1.  Conneaut Lake
2.  Lakeside Park
3.  Arnold's Park
4.  Bushkill Park
 
 
 

Which traditional parks are at the top the endangered list?

Post by Robert Ulric » Fri, 08 Apr 2005 03:56:32



Quote:
>1.  Conneaut Lake
>2.  Lakeside Park
>3.  Arnold's Park
>4.  Bushkill Park

Don't know the official definition of "traditional", but before all of
the above I'd put
1. Ghost Town in the Sky
2. Pavilion at Myrtle Beach

 
 
 

Which traditional parks are at the top the endangered list?

Post by Scoob » Fri, 08 Apr 2005 04:04:12

Dreamland.

Everything else.

 
 
 

Which traditional parks are at the top the endangered list?

Post by Senior Technicia » Fri, 08 Apr 2005 05:03:10

Americana in ohio

Bryon Sparks

Quote:
> 1.  Conneaut Lake
> 2.  Lakeside Park
> 3.  Arnold's Park
> 4.  Bushkill Park

 
 
 

Which traditional parks are at the top the endangered list?

Post by CoasterFanati » Fri, 08 Apr 2005 05:13:48



Quote:
> 1.  Conneaut Lake
> 2.  Lakeside Park
> 3.  Arnold's Park
> 4.  Bushkill Park

How about Camden Park (Huntington, WV)

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Post by Wolf » Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:21:46

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> Americana in ohio

> Bryon Sparks


>> 1.  Conneaut Lake
>> 2.  Lakeside Park
>> 3.  Arnold's Park
>> 4.  Bushkill Park

How's Camden doing?

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Post by CoasterFanati » Fri, 08 Apr 2005 22:10:10



Quote:
> How's Camden doing?

Fiscally, I don't thinks it's particularily horrible (that doesn't mean
it's good though). But, like many other traditional parks, there undoing
could be rising property values and residential developments.

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Post by jimw.. » Sat, 09 Apr 2005 05:40:41

 > Fiscally, I don't thinks it's particularily horrible (that doesn't
mean

Quote:
> it's good though). But, like many other traditional parks, there
undoing
> could be rising property values and residential developments.

> --
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rising insurance costs also might be a factor for these traditional
parks.

Jim W

 
 
 

Which traditional parks are at the top the endangered list?

Post by Jennifer Lovesee-Mas » Sun, 10 Apr 2005 00:49:27

You know I know we have heard that Joyland, Wichita KS was bought by a
company that
was going to continue to operate it... but Im very concerned about its
future survival...

Of course I totally agree with Arnolds Park and how about Conneaut Lake?

Jennifer


Quote:

>  > Fiscally, I don't thinks it's particularily horrible (that doesn't
> mean
> > it's good though). But, like many other traditional parks, there
> undoing
> > could be rising property values and residential developments.

> > --
> > Ted

> rising insurance costs also might be a factor for these traditional
> parks.

> Jim W

 
 
 

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Post by Mark Rosenzwei » Sun, 10 Apr 2005 02:04:07

Quote:

> rising insurance costs also might be a factor for these traditional
> parks.

You hit the nail on the head, Jim.  Increasing costs (mainly insurance)
are among the biggest threats to the survival of a traditional park.
One slip up- one avoidable accident, and insurance shoots through the
roof.  Case in point- Old Indiana.

Then there is also the ridiculous hike in property prices.  Many park
owners see selling their property as an easy out, and short cut to
retirement.  Think about how much money a piece of land in an urban
landlocked position like Clementon Park, or a lakeside resort position
like Conneaut might be worth...

-Mark

 
 
 

Which traditional parks are at the top the endangered list?

Post by CoasterFanati » Sun, 10 Apr 2005 02:24:48



Quote:
> Then there is also the ridiculous hike in property prices.

and from what I understand ... a big problem for places like the Pavilion.
MSAP already met this fate.

IMHO, most traditional parks are in danger. Of course, there are a few
exceptions:

Knoebels
Kennywood
etc.

It seems like the parks that constantly host picnics, ethnic days, school
functions and such are the ones that are in the best shape. The best way to
keep your park from going under is to become a symbol of the community
around you.

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Post by coasterfanati » Sun, 10 Apr 2005 03:31:31

Lesourdsville lake,  Even though it's not open,  It is still there.
 
 
 

Which traditional parks are at the top the endangered list?

Post by deadandrestl.. » Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:35:10

1) Joyland (Kansas) - Virtually no one has mentioned it in the thread,
which is odd, seeing as it barely opened last year. Completely off the
enthusiast map and out of their minds. Rarely visited by anyone.

2) Bushkill - It was basically wiped out by a flood. Didn't have much
in terms of attractions before.

3) Conneaut - Duh. Been closed a bunch of times already. PA's Whalom.

4) Margate Dreamland - The scenic railway might stay, everything else
not. That fact keeps it from being #1.

5) Pavilion - In limbo.

6) Clementon - For sale. Just spent millions on a new coaster, couldn't
even buy a full train. Opened at the end of the season, hurting their
bottom line. 2005 is make or break time for them.

7) Williams Grove - Poor looking as hell, has been as long as anyone
can remember. A perennial pick for closure discussion.

8) Visionland - C'mon. Obvious yearly choice.

9) PNE Park - Going to be moved. God only knows what's actually going
with it.

10) Your local overexpanding FEC - I predicted awhile back that some of
the over expansion and purchasing decisions from a lot of FECs in the
US was going to have them go under in the next 3-4 years. Everyone
should have learned a lesson from Raceworld. And Boardwalk and
Baseball/Circus World. And...well...you get the point.

Honorable Mentions:

-Untold numbers of Japanese Parks - The recession is still hitting hard
there. Park closures will continue unabated.

-Lakeside - Rhoda owns a lot of real estate and will keep the park open
as long as she lives. After her, there are no guarantees.

- Six Flags' less profitable entities - Kentucky Kingdom is a prime
example of this. Marine World, while well visited, also has the
horrible problem of the land being worth a ridiculous amount of money.
No point in kicking the dead horse which is the Six Flags financial
state

-Arnold's Park - I know nothing of their finances and have never
visited. The former makes me think.

-Wildwood - Having a good chunk of your rides for sale is never a good
sign. NJ shore estate is worth a bundle too. Having to compete with a
resurgent Coney, Great Adventure, and Dorney adds to the difficulties.

Parks that are going absolutely nowhere:

-Paramount Parks - Even if they're sold, someone will buy them. They
make money.

-Disney's Parks - Duh.

-Kennywood's Parks - All of them turn nice profits. Kennywood isn't
going to shrink anytime soon.

-Cedar Fair's Parks - All of them turn profits, sans Geauga (which can
be expected). Expect expansion as Six Flags continues to hemmorage and
die.

-Coney Island - Doing just fine these days. When even the dark rides
are getting overhauls with modern shit, you know everything is well.

-Funtown USA - They're enjoying the demise of the Six Banners, I'm
sure.

 
 
 

Which traditional parks are at the top the endangered list?

Post by Mark Rosenzwei » Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:37:07

Totally agree with most of your list, Alan.  Shame regarding how
Joyland (Wichita) is virtually a forgotten park.  I'd also like to add
that Pavilion is probably in better shape than most people
report/hear/think.  Not to say you shouldn't plan that last visit just
in case, though.

Quote:

> -Wildwood - Having a good chunk of your rides for sale is never a
good
> sign. NJ shore estate is worth a bundle too. Having to compete with a
> resurgent Coney, Great Adventure, and Dorney adds to the

difficulties.

This is the one that I strongly disagree on.  Morey's is a bonafide
cash cow.  They are selling off their big European rides for a very
good reason- they don't need them anymore.  At one time, they had
competition from the Hunt and Nickel family among many other indies up
and down the boards.  These days, they're the only show in town.  Why
not sell of larger rides and put up rides that make the piers look more
like Gibtown?  They'll net more with less, if you get my drift.  As far
as competition goes, the Jersey Shore parks don't even compete with
each other, let alone themers.  Morey's mostly serves those vacationing
in Wildwood (as Gillian's does Ocean City and Jenks in Pt Pleasant for
examples).  Sure, there are day trippers from AC or Philly, too.
Remember, two things that Morey's can claim that neither SFGAd or
Dorney can- free admission and the ocean breezes.  As far as real
estate goes, it'd be pretty hard to develop much else on the piers
other than what is there now- quite a bit different than a land locked
parcel like Clementon.

-Mark

 
 
 

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Post by Wolf » Sun, 10 Apr 2005 13:55:42

Quote:
>> rising insurance costs also might be a factor for these traditional
>> parks.

> You hit the nail on the head, Jim.  Increasing costs (mainly insurance)
> are among the biggest threats to the survival of a traditional park.
> One slip up- one avoidable accident, and insurance shoots through the
> roof.  Case in point- Old Indiana.

> Then there is also the ridiculous hike in property prices.  Many park
> owners see selling their property as an easy out, and short cut to
> retirement.  Think about how much money a piece of land in an urban
> landlocked position like Clementon Park, or a lakeside resort position
> like Conneaut might be worth...

Of course, some parks are fortunate enough to be plopped into less than
desireable locales.

Joyland and Camden included.

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