Stop the insanity! [or, so much for peace and happiness!]--long rant

Stop the insanity! [or, so much for peace and happiness!]--long rant

Post by Matthew Sulliva » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00


[Before I rant, if you want to skip to my main point, look for the **,
although I suggest you read
the entire thing!]

Although I have been involved in the current S:TE / CP vs SFMM drama, I
have only expressed
my opinions and not stomped on those that differ.  But that's not what
this post is all about.  I
always thought the terms *coaster* and *enthusiast* put together
signified a group of like-minded
individuals who had one thing in common:  the love of coasters.  That's
why I joined ACE.  That's
why, when I discovered news groups, I sought [and found] one devoted to
my favorite past time.

I get a thrill out of each and every coaster I ride.  Each one is
unique.  Some of them claim to
hold some sort of world record, other do not, and is has no bearing on
how much I enjoy the
ride.  I have ridden coasters that I love and could re-ride all day
long, and I have ridden some
that I did not like and will only ride if there's nothing else to do.  I
have never said a coaster
sucked, because even the ones I don't prefer bring joy to many others.
And I find something
good about each and every park I visit.  Are they perfect?  No, none of
them are.  Can they
stand improvement?  Of course they can.  I have had some miserable days
at some parks,
but I would never consider not going back because of one bad day.  My
god, what if we
were all judged by how we acted on a bad day?  Would that be fair?

I am shocked at what I am reading on RRC.  All the bickering.  Judging a
coaster's potential
thrill before it opens.  Some people's love for their home parks
boarders is so blinding that,
if someone else doesn't have a good time on their visit, someone feels
personally attacked!
Other find it impossible to see anything positive at all in parks other
than their favorite.  And
worst of all, telling someone their opinion is sh*t because it differs
from your own.

When I found RRC I was thrilled!  I found a place to get information and
discuss coasters.
And although I have certainly been guilty of getting involved in a few
threads and saying
a few things I shouldn't have, for the most part I feel as if I've been
pretty fair in my posts.

We are some of the luckiest people on the planet.  We love coasters and
parks keep building
new ones for us to ride.  How much better can that be?  Star Wars fans
get four movies in
20 years!  How would we all like the same treatment with coasters?  Fans
of rock bands
get a new album ever few years...we get dozens of new coasters EACH
YEAR!

**Here's my main point, and its an analogy:

We are like a bunch of hungry people who are sitting in front of the
worlds best catered meal.
No matter how much we eat, the food keeps on being served.  It's all
100% gourmet, made from
the world's top chefs.  There is so much food that there's enough for
everyone to eat, and
everyone's favorite food is on the table.  But instead of enjoying the
food, we are wasting it by
having a food fight!

Like that meal, our love of coasters is being catered by the parks and
the designers.  As I see
it we have a choice:  fight about them and eventually starve, or go out
AND EAT THEM UP!!!!!!!!

Matthew/Mamosh
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Post by Apath » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00

I don't agree with your opinion that the SFMM/CP debate is mindless
bickering. As a matter of fact, I've found it to be one of the best
discussions on the board for a long time, due to the fact that there was a
lot of participation, very little flaming or name calling, and it was
educational on a lot of fronts. Superman is a strange beast, and since we at
RRC enjoy keeping and comparing stats (just like sports fans), this sort of
lively debate will occur with each year's record challenging announcements.

As for records, a record is a record only for as long as it takes for the
next guy to break it, and I don't really care if a park 'forgets' to update
it's marketing materials.CP has HELD the records numerous times. Same for
PKI. And SFMM. And each will do so again. And we will debate their claims.
And it will be lively, the discussions, and we will learn about rides,
manufacturers, parks and each other.

Communication. Gotta love it....

Apathy

 
 
 

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Post by Matthew Sulliva » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> I don't agree with your opinion that the SFMM/CP debate is mindless
> bickering. As a matter of fact, I've found it to be one of the best
> discussions on the board for a long time, due to the fact that there was a
> lot of participation, very little flaming or name calling, and it was
> educational on a lot of fronts. Superman is a strange beast, and since we at
> RRC enjoy keeping and comparing stats (just like sports fans), this sort of
> lively debate will occur with each year's record challenging announcements.

> As for records, a record is a record only for as long as it takes for the
> next guy to break it, and I don't really care if a park 'forgets' to update
> it's marketing materials.CP has HELD the records numerous times. Same for
> PKI. And SFMM. And each will do so again. And we will debate their claims.
> And it will be lively, the discussions, and we will learn about rides,
> manufacturers, parks and each other.

> Communication. Gotta love it....

> Apathy

I agree with you, Apathy, that *discussion* of S:TE is good and healthy.  It
stops
being a discussion and starts being a flame war when people berate and belittle

those with differing opinions, and I have seen some people doing this.  One
person
said that those who think S:TE is a coaster couldn't tell an *** form a
hole in
the ground.  That's discussion?

I will repeat it ONCE AGAIN:  classify S:TE as you wish, and your track record
will reflect your classification.  One person's classification has NO effect on
another's.
The problem starts when people are told they are sh*t for having a different
opinion.

As for records, I agree with you there, too.  Records, as they say, are meant
to
be broken.  I ride coasters because they are thrilling, not because they do or
do not
hold a record.

Matthew/Mamoosh

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Post by Christian Su » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00


Quote:
> Like that meal, our love of coasters is being catered by the parks and
> the designers.  As I see
> it we have a choice:  fight about them and eventually starve, or go out
> AND EAT THEM UP!!!!!!!!

I think the way that you have expressed your opinions is brilliant! I would
also have to say that I agree with you on most fronts. I must say that I
feel like there is a little something extra there if I know that a roller
coaster is a record breaker, but this said, knowing that a coaster doesn't
break any records doesn't have any detrimental effect on my overall
impression of  it.

Christian

 
 
 

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Post by Matthew Sulliva » Sat, 31 Jul 1999 04:00:00

Let me explain what I meant by the following:

Quote:
> Judging a coaster's potential thrill before it opens.

Here's an analogy:

Out here in LA, we have a City Representative, Mike Antonovich, who
condemned
"American Pie," proclaiming it as *trash* two days before the movie opened.
He admitted
he had not seen the movie, and was basing his judgment solely on the word
of mouth
about the *pie* scene and the **** in the beer can* scene.  He caused an
uproar and ended
up promoting the film even more.

Had he said: "I am uncertain about 'American Pie.' It looks like trash, but
I will go to see it
first" he would not have caused any drama.  Had he actually SEEN the movie
and THEN
said he thought it was trash, at least he'd have the personal experience to
back up his judgment.

LIkewise, To say "based on the layout, I don't think I will enjoy MF" is
completely different
from saying "based on the layout, MF will suck."

Matthew/Mamoosh

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