Cyclone or Cyclone

Cyclone or Cyclone

Post by ScoobyDu » Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Which is the better one or which was. I think that the Palisades Park Cyclone
Coaster was alot faster, higher, and better then the Coney Island Cylone. Don't
get me wrong i like the Coney Island Cyclone but the Palisades Park
Skyrocket/Cyclone tops it. Anyone agree??? Most won't.

 
 
 

Cyclone or Cyclone

Post by K966 » Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Most won't agree cause most haven't ridden the Palisades Cyclone. Not in this
newsgroup anyway. Of course, if you're talkin about which one LOOKED to be the
most exciting, then maybe you'll get some response.
Ken

 
 
 

Cyclone or Cyclone

Post by ABBA19 » Sun, 11 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Amen, Ken.  Too bad that most of us didn't make it to Palisades Park to be able
to judge both coasters.

 
 
 

Cyclone or Cyclone

Post by CYCLONE » Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:00:00

I rode both of them.  

Statistic-wise, the Palisades Cyclone was about 10 feet shorter in height than
Coney, and about the same  track length.  They both averaged around the same
speed.   The Palisades ride had 10 drops, while Coney has 12.

Pal's Cyclone had a first drop that didn't go all the way to the ground, but
had a wicked direction change into an upsweeping fan turn, and a killer second
drop, which was very steep.  The remaining drops (except for drop #4)  were not
exceptionally steep, but every turn was fanned (all theturns, btw, went left,
except for the track from the station to the lift hill, which went right).
There werethree long moments on the ride where the track flattened out for a
stretch.

Coney Island's Cyclone, of course, features steep drops throughout, and picks
up speed in it's second half.  All of it's drops go to the ground, and the only
place where there is level, straight track is on the block brake after the
first Surf Avenue turn, and the final brake run.  

While the Palisades Cyclone certainly had it's moments, and was truly one of
the greats, I think the Coney Cyclone is the definite winner  in this contest.

Steve
The Original Coney Island Cyclone -- it ain't no theme park kiddie coaster!

 
 
 

Cyclone or Cyclone

Post by ScoobyDu » Thu, 15 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Actually your wrong about height Palisades Cyclone is higher by 4 feet the
Coney Island is only 85 and Palisades was 89.
 
 
 

Cyclone or Cyclone

Post by Dave Altho » Sat, 17 Oct 1998 04:00:00

: Which is the better one or which was. I think that the Palisades Park Cyclone
: Coaster was alot faster, higher, and better then the Coney Island Cylone. Don't
: get me wrong i like the Coney Island Cyclone but the Palisades Park
: Skyrocket/Cyclone tops it. Anyone agree??? Most won't.

I have never ridden either one, so I will not pass judgement on either one.

That said, Robert Garland was talking about the Palisades Park Cyclone
when he wrote his 6/14/1928 column for the New York Telegram (reproduced
in "The Incredible Scream Machine" on p. 154, and one of my favorite
coaster descriptions):

As a connoisseur of roller-coasters, I advise you to consult a doctor
before you climb aboard the new Cyclone at Palisades Amu***t Park.  Man
to man, you need a stout heart in a stout body to indulge in that ride.
Nowhere in these parts--or elsewhere for that matter--is its equal.  And
God forfend that any designer of roller-coasters pack more thrills into a
single ride.

If you'll pardon me for bragging, roller-coasters are a specialty with me.
 I know the Coal Mine Dip in Baltimore, the Wonder-Ride in Berlin, the
Mile-A-Minute Marvel in San Francisco and the Thunderbolt and the Cyclone
at Coney Island.  Excellent roller-coasters, every one.  Excellent
roller-coasters, that is, until you've ridden the new Cyclone at Palisades
Amu***t Park.

The new Cyclone at Palisades Amu***t Park is no roller-coaster to be
taken lightly, no switchback to be sneezed at.  Don't, I beg you, climb
aboard in a spirit of good clean fun.  Don't bring the kiddies, and be
sure to leave the old folks at home.  Before paying your quarter at the
box-office, see your doctor, consult your lawyer and lay in a bottle of
Sloan's Liniment in case you pull through.

I'm not exaggerating a great deal when I say that, unless you've a fancy
for being beaten up, dropped from aeroplanes and turned upside down while
moving at a rate of eighty-seven miles an hour, keep away from that
Cyclone over on the Jersey side.  On it, you're a fly on a racing
motorcar.  You're less than that, really.  You're God's lowliest creature
with gravitation gone back on you.  

That Cyclone doesn't play fair.  It's not content to drag you up an
incline, toss you down the other side.  It drags you up an incline, tosses
you down the other side, turns you over this way, turns you over that way,
and before you can remember what comes after "Thy kingdom come," shoots
you to the stars again.

--Robert Garland, "The New York Telegram"
  June 14, 1928

I think his mind is made up about the Cyclones.  Pity I shall never have a
chance to experience the Palisades Park Cyclone myself.  8-(

--Dave Althoff, Jr.
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Cyclone or Cyclone

Post by JNardone » Sat, 17 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Well, from personal experience, having ridden both Cyclones, I can tell you
that the one at Palisades was bigger and faster then Coney Island's Cyclone.
It still remains on my top 5 woodies list.  I am grateful to my mother and
aunts who insisted on taking me to Palisades atleast twice a year and
persuading me to try out the Cyclone in 1966 when I was tall enough to ride it.

Joe

 
 
 

Cyclone or Cyclone

Post by tv's Spat » Sat, 17 Oct 1998 04:00:00


Quote:

>That Cyclone doesn't play fair.  It's not content to drag you up an
>incline, toss you down the other side.  It drags you up an incline, tosses
>you down the other side, turns you over this way, turns you over that way,
>and before you can remember what comes after "Thy kingdom come," shoots
>you to the stars again.

This is one of the most beautiful things anyone's ever had to say
about any roller coaster, ever.  I knew there was an editorial giving
sly praise to the Palisades Cyclone while painting a "***" picture,
but I never read the full text.  Thanks, Dave, for posting it!

--
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resident cranky                                     fovea.retina.net 4000

"What mother means is they're still shooting it out, but now it's in color!"

 
 
 

Cyclone or Cyclone

Post by ScoobyDu » Sat, 17 Oct 1998 04:00:00

that was the 1st palisades park cyclone it had two. the first was so good but
dangerous it was dismantled in 1934. A fire in 1944 destroed the Skyrockket and
it was later redesined as the Cyclone in memory of the first
 
 
 

Cyclone or Cyclone

Post by CYCLONE » Sun, 18 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Yes, the description of the new Cyclone refers to the Harry Traver Cyclone
installed at Palisades, the third in the infamous triplets (the first two being
Crystal Beach and Revere Beach, which was known as Lightning)  This thread
refers to the Skyrocket, which was renamed Cyclone after it was rebuilt, having
had fully half it's structure destroyed in a fire.  

The redesigned Skyrocket had many alterations, most notably the removal of a
deep dip and fan turn, replaced by a slight drop and flat turn.  The section of
the ride destroyed by the fire was the station end, almost all the way to the
top of the lift hill.  The far end, with it's curving first drop, and killer
upsweep fan turn, were part of the original design.  

The Traver Cyclone required too much maintenance, and had low ridership, like
the other two Traver designs, and was removed in 1934.  It was replaced by the
Lake Placid Bobsleds, an extreme Miller/Bartlett Flying Turns, which at 125
feet, was not only the tallest flying turns, but the tallest roller coaster
built for many years.  The Lake Placid Bobsled was also deemed too extreme.  

According to the blueprints for the Skyrocket/Cyclone, originally designed by
John Miller and redesigned by Joe McKee, the structure stood approximately 79
feet tall, and it's first drop did not go all the way to the ground, since the
trackage from the double down second leg and rabbit hop third leg passed
directly underneath it.  

As we know, the Coney Island Cyclone stands 85 feet tall, making it slightly
taller.  The Cyclone's first drop goes all the way, in fact, into the ground,
making for a full 85 foot drop.  Therefore, the Palisades Cyclone could not
have been faster than Coney's, but in our memories.  

Steve
The Original Coney Island Cyclone -- Accept No Substitutes

 
 
 

Cyclone or Cyclone

Post by ScoobyDu » Sun, 18 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Hello, I worked on The Palisades Park Cyclone I know the height. It was 89
feet. I know the Cycline Ny  is claiming to see the blueprints well I worked on
repairs many times. He doesn't know. I guess he want the CI Cyclone to be the
best. Well it stinks even the Thunderbolt was better then it. To bad the owner
let it rot away.
 
 
 

Cyclone or Cyclone

Post by Pkdcoast » Sun, 18 Oct 1998 04:00:00

listen...wutever cyclone ny sayz......iz wuts true....he knows everything about
noth cyclones...i back him up on wut he sez
 
 
 

Cyclone or Cyclone

Post by Pkdcoast » Sun, 18 Oct 1998 04:00:00

WUTEVER CYCLONE NY SEZ IS TRUE...HE KNOWS WUT HES TALKING ABOUT...I TOTALLY
AGREE 2 WUT HE SEZ
 
 
 

Cyclone or Cyclone

Post by CYCLONE » Sun, 18 Oct 1998 04:00:00

Hello, I worked on The Palisades Park Cyclone I know the height. It was 89

Quote:
>feet. I know the Cycline Ny  is claiming to see the blueprints well I worked
>on
>repairs many times. He doesn't know. I guess he want the CI Cyclone to be the
>best. Well it stinks even the Thunderbolt was better then it. To bad the
>owner
>let it rot away.

No, Cycline NY doesn't particularly care which of the two Cyclones were taller.
 Height really doesn't factor in to what makes a better roller coaster anyway.

Congratulations on being an expert on roller coasters, particularly since you
worked on one, and having worked on the Palisades Cyclone, you obviously feel
you know the height of the ride better than John Miller, who designed the
thing, and drew up the blue prints for it.  Poor Mr. Miller, his own design,
and he got the height of it wrong,   And to think, it took a repairman, years
after the fact, to point out his error.  

By the way, Scooby, maybe you don't realize this, but your determination that
the Coney Island Cyclone "stinks" proves you are doing the same thing you are
accusing me of doing: to which, badmouthing one ride to make another ride seem
better. IT WON'T WORK.  
 You can't argue with blueprints.  They say what they say, which proves what
you know is not accurate.  But let me also add, Palisades owner Irving
Rosenthal was famous for "exaggerating" statistics on the rides at the park to
make them seem more awesome.  The Jet Star roller coaster had a top speed of 80
mph's, according to the park.  This is obviously not correct.  Jet Stars do not
go that fast, they never have, and they never will.  The park regularly added a
few feet to the height of the Cyclone's statistics, also.  One published
height, given by the park, was 108 feet.  98 feet, 89 feet were also figures
supplied by the park.  All well  and good, basically harmless promotional
gimmicks, but the BLUEPRINTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

Funny thing here is, I have no argument against the pal Cyclone.  It was an
amazing ride. In fact, it was the roller coaster that made me love roller
coasters.   Of all defunct coasters, it is the one I've ridden I miss the most,
and the one I wish would be rebuilt.  It was one of the greats -- BUT, it was
not taller or faster than the Coney Cyclone.  Pure, simple fact.  You are not
arguing with me here, you are arguing with the John Miller blueprints.  

Steve
The Original Coney Island Cyclone -- Accept No Substitutes

 
 
 

Cyclone or Cyclone

Post by Brian Smit » Wed, 21 Oct 1998 04:00:00

hey buddy,,,

#1) Caps are rude.

#2) Whatever you are on, I personally suggest you stop...

That is all.

Quote:

>WUTEVER CYCLONE NY SEZ IS TRUE...HE KNOWS WUT HES TALKING ABOUT...I TOTALLY
>AGREE 2 WUT HE SEZ