CP Coaster 2000/300... more real than we thought?

CP Coaster 2000/300... more real than we thought?

Post by Jeff » Wed, 02 Dec 1998 04:00:00


It looks like CP has a 300-foot B&M on the drawing board for 2000. I can't
give away where I heard this, but it's as close to the source as you can
possibly get. Really, really close.

The $20 million monster will likely go in the Wave***/Carousel Pavilion
area, though I wasn't able to find out where the circuit would go from
there.

Here's the thing, while I can with a certain degree of certainty say that
the concept and preliminary drawings exist, I can't confirm there is a
signed contract. There could be a competing designer with something on the
table as well. I put everything I know in the news section of Guide to The
Point.

Any thoughts?

-Jeff
http://SportToday.org/

 
 
 

CP Coaster 2000/300... more real than we thought?

Post by Jason Bryan » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00


Quote:
> It looks like CP has a 300-foot B&M on the drawing board for 2000. I can't
> give away where I heard this, but it's as close to the source as you can
> possibly get. Really, really close.
> The $20 million monster will likely go in the Wave***/Carousel Pavilion
> area, though I wasn't able to find out where the circuit would go from
> there.
> Here's the thing, while I can with a certain degree of certainty say that
> the concept and preliminary drawings exist, I can't confirm there is a
> signed contract. There could be a competing designer with something on the
> table as well. I put everything I know in the news section of Guide to The
> Point.

> Any thoughts?

Well yes a couple, accurately more in the form of questions

1) There is/was a "Rumor" floating about with a 300 foot VERTICAL drop,
Although a 300 foot drop at 90 degrees seems, to say the least, "impressive"
and "difficult". Is there any truth to that Rumor?

2) Have you heard anything about record breaking? As any coaster person KNOWS
300 feet would make that the tallest coaster in the world. But what about
length, inversions, etc. etc.?

3) What type of lift hill do you think? Lim, Old fashion chains, tires, or
"other" (If other please specify)

4) What are some of your "gut" feelings about this monster? name, color,
seating, # of trains?

Thanks for any responses to the questions!

--
Keep it Coastin'
Jason Bryans
-------------------
Owner of The Cedar Point Coaster Web Page
http://SportToday.org/

 
 
 

CP Coaster 2000/300... more real than we thought?

Post by RCoaster » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>Well yes a couple, accurately more in the form of questions

>1) There is/was a "Rumor" floating about with a 300 foot VERTICAL drop,
>Although a 300 foot drop at 90 degrees seems, to say the least, "impressive"
>and "difficult". Is there any truth to that Rumor?

>2) Have you heard anything about record breaking? As any coaster person KNOWS
>300 feet would make that the tallest coaster in the world. But what about
>length, inversions, etc. etc.?

>3) What type of lift hill do you think? Lim, Old fashion chains, tires, or
>"other" (If other please specify)

>4) What are some of your "gut" feelings about this monster? name, color,
>seating, # of trains?

>Thanks for any responses to the questions!

And yet another few questions,

Do you think Morgan Man. has anything on the drawing board for CP?

Aso, what is CP going to do with the MARINE AREA?!!!  It's going to start
lookin tacky if they don't do anything!!  Yes No?  This is where I think the
new coaster should go.  With some sort of Marine type theme.  I think it's the
best overall spot since there isn't much over there right now to attract
people, plus look at an arial view of it, it would make the park look more
uniform.  

And the person who is your source; are they on the design team, managment, etc.
 It just seems like everyone has a different story since not to long ago
someone said they had a good source that it wouldn't be a B&M?  

Personally I would love to see a sit down B&M.  I LOVE THE KUMBA!!!!  Thanks
for the info!!!

"The Future of Roller Coasters"
Matthew Baughman


 
 
 

CP Coaster 2000/300... more real than we thought?

Post by James Draege » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> It looks like CP has a 300-foot B&M on the drawing board for 2000. I can't
> give away where I heard this, but it's as close to the source as you can
> possibly get. Really, really close.

> The $20 million monster will likely go in the Wave***/Carousel Pavilion
> area, though I wasn't able to find out where the circuit would go from
> there.

> Here's the thing, while I can with a certain degree of certainty say that
> the concept and preliminary drawings exist, I can't confirm there is a
> signed contract. There could be a competing designer with something on the
> table as well. I put everything I know in the news section of Guide to The
> Point.

> Any thoughts?

(This was actually part of an email I sent to Jeff, but I thought I'd post it
here too...)

I honestly think it would be ridiculous for Cedar Point to install yet another
hypercoaster in their park when they already have one of only maybe five of
these coasters in the country.  Granted it's from a different company and would
offer a unique experience, but why would they be looking into a larger version
of a ride they currently have when they are also desperately lacking a basic
sit-down, multi-looping coaster?  The fact that this ride would be from B&M
only makes the choice seem even more illogical when they could rather be
contracting them for one of their classic sit-downs, a launched sit-down, or
even one of their new heartline coasters.  Heck, they could have even signed up
to receive that rumored fourth and last new design from B&M that is supposed to
debut in 2000.  I know Cedar Point has said in the past that they tend to stay
away from prototypes though, but that still doesn't rule out B&M's classic
sit-down style coaster.  I really don't know, I guess the idea of Cedar Point
installing a speedcoaster really surprises me.

--
James Draeger

*******************************************************************

Cedar Point Rides: http://SportToday.org/
~CP&CG Forever!~

 
 
 

CP Coaster 2000/300... more real than we thought?

Post by Tyler Eave » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

5 hypersd in the contry?
As of 1999:

Definate

1. Magnum
2. Steel Force
3. Desperado
4. Mamba
5. Wild Thing
6. Apollo
7. Ragin Bull
8. Superman (Darien)

Desputable:

9. Steel Phantom
10. Steel Eel
11. Superman (SFMM)
12. MR Freeze
13. B&R: The chiller
14. Manhattan Expres

Hmm...

Looks like 14 to me,
Althouh Imho only 11 are true hypers.

Tyler

Quote:


>> It looks like CP has a 300-foot B&M on the drawing board for 2000. I
can't
>> give away where I heard this, but it's as close to the source as you can
>> possibly get. Really, really close.

>> The $20 million monster will likely go in the Wave***/Carousel
Pavilion
>> area, though I wasn't able to find out where the circuit would go from
>> there.

>> Here's the thing, while I can with a certain degree of certainty say that
>> the concept and preliminary drawings exist, I can't confirm there is a
>> signed contract. There could be a competing designer with something on
the
>> table as well. I put everything I know in the news section of Guide to
The
>> Point.

>> Any thoughts?

>(This was actually part of an email I sent to Jeff, but I thought I'd post
it
>here too...)

>I honestly think it would be ridiculous for Cedar Point to install yet
another
>hypercoaster in their park when they already have one of only maybe five of
>these coasters in the country.  Granted it's from a different company and
would
>offer a unique experience, but why would they be looking into a larger
version
>of a ride they currently have when they are also desperately lacking a
basic
>sit-down, multi-looping coaster?  The fact that this ride would be from B&M
>only makes the choice seem even more illogical when they could rather be
>contracting them for one of their classic sit-downs, a launched sit-down,
or
>even one of their new heartline coasters.  Heck, they could have even
signed up
>to receive that rumored fourth and last new design from B&M that is
supposed to
>debut in 2000.  I know Cedar Point has said in the past that they tend to
stay
>away from prototypes though, but that still doesn't rule out B&M's classic
>sit-down style coaster.  I really don't know, I guess the idea of Cedar
Point
>installing a speedcoaster really surprises me.

>--
>James Draeger

>*******************************************************************

>Cedar Point Rides: http://SportToday.org/
>~CP&CG Forever!~

 
 
 

CP Coaster 2000/300... more real than we thought?

Post by James Draege » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

> 5 hypersd in the contry?
> As of 1999:

> Definate

> 1. Magnum
> 2. Steel Force
> 3. Desperado
> 4. Mamba
> 5. Wild Thing
> 6. Apollo
> 7. Ragin Bull
> 8. Superman (Darien)

Yes, and as of today how many of these are in operation? Exactly 5 of them.

Quote:
> Desputable:

> 9. Steel Phantom

Has inversions.

Quote:
> 10. Steel Eel

Not open yet.

Quote:
> 11. Superman (SFMM)

No where near 'hypercoaster' status.

Quote:
> 12. MR Freeze
> 13. B&R: The chiller
> 14. Manhattan Expres

All of these have inversions.

Quote:
> Hmm...

> Looks like 14 to me,
> Althouh Imho only 11 are true hypers.

Looks to me that as of today, when I wrote the post, there are exactly 5
hypercoasters in operation.

--
James Draeger

*******************************************************************

Cedar Point Rides: Http://cprides.rollercoaster.com
~CP&CG Forever!~

 
 
 

CP Coaster 2000/300... more real than we thought?

Post by Bret Clanc » Sat, 05 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>1) There is/was a "Rumor" floating about with a 300 foot VERTICAL drop,
>Although a 300 foot drop at 90 degrees seems, to say the least,
"impressive"
>and "difficult". Is there any truth to that Rumor?

I'm guessing that it will not be vertical, but something very steep, maybe
70-75 degrees or so.

Quote:
>2) Have you heard anything about record breaking? As any coaster person
KNOWS
>300 feet would make that the tallest coaster in the world. But what about
>length, inversions, etc. etc.?

If they go for 300 feet tall I'm guessing that they will go for record
breaking length and speed.  As for inversions, I'm not sure.

Quote:
>3) What type of lift hill do you think? Lim, Old fashion chains, tires, or
>"other" (If other please specify)

I think that they will go with the regular chain lift.  Cresting the first
hill at 300 feet could potentially be one of the most frightening things in
the world.

Quote:
>4) What are some of your "gut" feelings about this monster? name, color,
>seating, # of trains?

My gut feelings are that it will have at least 3 trains and will *not* be
built by B&M.  My guess is Morgan.

                                                    - Bret

 
 
 

CP Coaster 2000/300... more real than we thought?

Post by Matthew Doa » Sun, 06 Dec 1998 04:00:00

I'm glad they stay away from prototypes.  At least let Sig Flags or someone
else prove proove that the design is viable, and then build one that is
bigger and better.  If CP keeps with its past reputation, this new coaster
will blow away anything that's out there right now.  And let's be honest -
300 feet would not exactly be just another hypercoaster!  Let's hope they
keep up the good work and keep Sandusky America's Rockin' Roller Coast! :)

-Matt

Quote:

>I honestly think it would be ridiculous for Cedar Point to install yet
another
>hypercoaster in their park when they already have one of only maybe five of
>these coasters in the country.  Granted it's from a different company and
would
>offer a unique experience, but why would they be looking into a larger
version
>of a ride they currently have when they are also desperately lacking a
basic
>sit-down, multi-looping coaster?  The fact that this ride would be from B&M
>only makes the choice seem even more illogical when they could rather be
>contracting them for one of their classic sit-downs, a launched sit-down,
or
>even one of their new heartline coasters.  Heck, they could have even
signed up
>to receive that rumored fourth and last new design from B&M that is
supposed to
>debut in 2000.  I know Cedar Point has said in the past that they tend to
stay
>away from prototypes though, but that still doesn't rule out B&M's classic
>sit-down style coaster.  I really don't know, I guess the idea of Cedar
Point
>installing a speedcoaster really surprises me.

>--
>James Draeger

>*******************************************************************

>Cedar Point Rides: Http://cprides.rollercoaster.com
>~CP&CG Forever!~

 
 
 

CP Coaster 2000/300... more real than we thought?

Post by DJMH » Sun, 06 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Hi all,

From the five million different rumors that I have heard, 75% of them have the
loading dock in the back of the park in the wave*** area.  Here is my big
problem/question.  What the heck are they going to do with that area of Oceana
and the aquarium?   Is it prime area for number 15#? Or will they turn it into
a family area with live shows and that sort of thing.  
Dan Haverlock (PO!NTER For L!fe)   ACE & ECC & COST  MEMBER
DAN'S PO!NT: www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/towers/3428/

Home Park (For L!fe) :  Cedar Po!nt
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Number One Steel (For L!fe)  Magnum XL 200

Number One Woodie: Shivering

 
 
 

CP Coaster 2000/300... more real than we thought?

Post by Pmon » Sun, 06 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:
>1. Magnum
>2. Steel Force
>3. Desperado
>4. Mamba
>5. Wild Thing
>6. Apollo
>7. Ragin Bull
>8. Superman (Darien)

 Agreed.

Quote:
>9. Steel Phantom

   Dont Hypers have NO inversions? I know everyone has there own def. of a
hyper, but i thought everyone knew there were no inversions!

Quote:
>10. Steel Eel

  Defiently a Hyper in my book.

Quote:
>11. Superman (SFMM)
>12. MR Freeze
>13. B&R: The chiller
>14. Manhattan Express

  Nahh..

/\...................................../\
               - Ron -

\/.....................................\/
           *DL Forever*

 
 
 

CP Coaster 2000/300... more real than we thought?

Post by BriL » Sun, 06 Dec 1998 04:00:00

Quote:

>Desputable:
>12. MR Freeze
>13. B&R: The chiller

I know everyone has their own definition of a hypercoaster but I am just
curious what you think that these two coasters are disputable as hypercoasters.
I don't consider them hypers at all..but thats just my opinion :)

-Brian
http://come.to/coastconn
Next Trip(s): Kennywood and Knoebels Next Summer

 
 
 

CP Coaster 2000/300... more real than we thought?

Post by Dave Altho » Mon, 07 Dec 1998 04:00:00


: >1) There is/was a "Rumor" floating about with a 300 foot VERTICAL drop,
: >Although a 300 foot drop at 90 degrees seems, to say the least,
: "impressive"
: >and "difficult". Is there any truth to that Rumor?

Of course, "300 feet" and "vertical drop" describe the Power Tower pretty
well, don't you think?  Time for something new.

Quote:
Bret actually wrote...

: My gut feelings are that it will have at least 3 trains and will *not* be
: built by B&M.  My guess is Morgan.

This all makes sense to me.  I wonder about Morgan, though, because I
think their next coaster could logically be expected to be a looper.  My
thought is either conventional and very big, or launched.  "Looper" may
disqualify Morgan.  I think it very possible that the ride may not come
from B&M.  High capacity is still important, though, so I don't think we
need to worry about a shuttle.  I wouldn't count out Vekoma, but except
for the Roller Skater (which may or may not get built), I don't think they
have done anything for Cedar Point in the past.  On the other hand,
Intamin supposedly licensed the LSM technology from Vekoma for Superman,
so perhaps we could see a launched Vekoma.  Because of capacity concerns,
I doubt that we'll see anything from Premier just yet at the Po!nt, as
they have thus far been unable to deliver on high capacity for their
launched coasters...I mean, if they could get Outer LIMits/Mad Cobra to
run with four trains, it is the kind of thing CP might be interested in.

Arrow is rumored to be working on a launched coaster concept, so perhaps
CP is a target for that project.  They have a long history of projects
with the Point.  So that is a possibility; and they know how to do
loopers.  

Of course, if CP wants to build a looping coaster for 2000, I would
personally like to see it come from Inverted Technologies...for obvious
reasons.  8-)

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

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