Term limits for ACE reps?

Term limits for ACE reps?

Post by IOAlov » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 00:59:06


Rastus has been suggesting that ACE reps should have some sort of term limits
bacause he claims that they get all sorts of "perks", including cash kickbacks
from parks.  I've been wondering about the effects of his proposal, and how it
would make a difference in the organization, even if his claims were true.

I'd honestly like to see him and others repsond to this.

Let's just say that he actually could provide evidence of cash kickbacks.  I
admit that this would create some ethical issues for the group.  Is the problem
that people are getting those kickbacks, or that HE is not getting them?  How
exactly would allowing a few more people to get those kickbacks change the
problem that people are getting those kickbacks in the first place?

And as to these supposed perks that ACE reps and EC members get.  How many
people represent ACE officially in total?  Maybe 40, if you include the
regional reps, their assistants and the entire EC?  I believe that at last
count ACE had 8000 members.  40 reps would account for about one half of one
percent of the membership.  Let's say for a worst case scenario that the
average rep stays in his or another position for 20 years.

Let's say we put term limits in place for all postions, and let's even assume
that people would not move from role to role.  Of course, this would not
happen, but let's take a best case scenario, ok?  Let's say that the term that
they are limited to is just 4 years.  In that 20 year period, there would be
200 officers in ACE.  That would account for two and a half percent of ACE
members now having access to those aleged perks.  And that's assuming the the
group's membership does not grow, and that there is no turnover in the club's
membership in a long 20 year period!  (And the group has grown from 6000 to
over 8000 members in the past 3-4 years.)  

Am I the only one who doesn't see increasing the exclusivity of these alleged
perks from .5% of the membership to 2.5% of the membership as basically doing
anything to change any alleged unfairness here?  I mean, the average member
still would not have access to those perks, so how is this any better?

But I do find it very likely that ACE as a whole would LOSE perks.  After all,
we get all sorts of bonuses because of the relationships that our reps have
formed over the years with the people at the parks.  I could easily see the
prices of events going up more, food getting worse, and ERT sessions being not
quite as good.  And I could see fewer local parks doing events as a result.

In summary, 2% of the members would get more perks.  100% of the members would
lose perks.

So how would letting a slightly larger -- but still tiny -- percentage of ACE
members get these alleged perks help the membership at large if we ALL lose the
perks that these reps get us as a result?  I fail to see the logic here.

And all of this assumes that we could find 200 members of ACE willing to do the
hard work that the EC and the reps do.  I tend to doubt it.  ACE had so much
trouble getting volunteers to help out that we now have to pay a professional
firm to do some of the club's work.  So, who's going to fill those positions
and make sure that we all get the "perks" that we're used to simply for being
ACE members?

It seems to me that this "solution" would only make things worse for the
average member.

 
 
 

Term limits for ACE reps?

Post by rolandcoaste » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 01:35:03

Dear feloow RRC'ers,

Before we start talking term limits on *volunteer* positions,

I'd like to suggest that we do a poll, starting here, right now.  How many
of us think we have the time, energy (can't simply stop at the 'interest in
coasters' part) and ability to follow through on commitments sufficiently to
merit being an ACE regional rep?  How many here would *want* to make such a
commitment?  How many here are willing to run for an ACE EC position?  you
know... actually submit a bio and get placed on the ballot?

I, for one, would NOT want to make such a commitment with ACE.  Don't get me
wrong, ACE is fine.  Also, in case you think I'm a slouch, I am very much
civic-minded and do a lot of voplunteer stuff.  I serve on our homeowners'
association board of directors and know what it's like to commit to
something where a lot of others are depending on your contributions.

Now, back to the question, how many here on RRC are sure that YOU are
willing and able to volunteer for ACE?

Thanks for your consideration.
Roland
(who always finds it challenging to find volunteers for our community
association, and who therefore would worry that ACE might end up without
capable leadership... all in the name of term limits.  IOAlover aaddressed
this at the end of their post.)


Quote:
> Rastus has been suggesting that ACE reps should have some sort of term

limits<snip>  I've been wondering about the effects of his proposal, and how
it

Quote:
> would make a difference in the organization, even if his claims were true.

> <snip>

How many
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> people represent ACE officially in total?  Maybe 40, if you include the
> regional reps, their assistants and the entire EC?  <snip>

> And all of this assumes that we could find 200 members of ACE willing to
do the
> hard work that the EC and the reps do.  I tend to doubt it.  ACE had so
much
> trouble getting volunteers to help out that we now have to pay a
professional
> firm to do some of the club's work.  So, who's going to fill those
positions
> and make sure that we all get the "perks" that we're used to simply for
being
> ACE members?

> It seems to me that this "solution" would only make things worse for the
> average member.


 
 
 

Term limits for ACE reps?

Post by Charles Nungest » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 02:02:49

Quote:

>Rastus has been suggesting that ACE reps should have some sort of term limits
>bacause he claims that they get all sorts of "perks", including cash
>kickbacks
>from parks.  I've been wondering about the effects of his proposal, and how
>it
>would make a difference in the organization, even if his claims were true.

Rastus/Jason is trying to make some points but keeps hashing a point in a
irrational manner and skews them any way he deems fit to get his point
accusations seen.

 First off, He says Paul Rueben gets kickbacks and pay for being a ACE MEMBER!

 Rastus fails miserably to inform everyone that Paul Rueben is a writer and
possibly owner of Park World Magazine and it is in a parks best interest to
have a possitive review placed in the Media.  Therfore it is possible that he
gets paid or all expenses paid trips to a park for a review in the magazine.
THIS IS NOT ACE!   He is a member and dose do things for Rollercoster and ACE
news but the pay for play should not be skewed into being ACE perk at least in
Ruebens case and Rastus has failed to show proof of any ACE wrong doings.

Quote:
>I'd honestly like to see him and others repsond to this.

 Lets see,  You pay your $50 and you get invites to media days, ert's, cons,
solaces, 6 issues of a magazine that shows pics of coasters you can only dream
of getting to ride,  Ace News complete with flyers to many Ace and Non Ace
events.

 So what, some people have a few extra free visits or whatever,  I think his
point is moot providing the Reps are doing their respective jobs.   I know
serveral non reps and non club members who also recieve several perks and it's
mainly because they have a long standing friendship with somone at a park and
not club related at all!

 >Let's just say that he actually could provide evidence of cash kickbacks.  I

Quote:
>admit that this would create some ethical issues for the group.  Is the
>problem
>that people are getting those
>kickbacks, or that HE is not getting them?

 Who would give him those kickbacks even if they were available?  He has
personally IMHO defamated and tried to destroy a club in HIS own best interest.
He has also been very critical to several parks.

Quote:
>How
>exactly would allowing a few more people to get those kickbacks change the
>problem that people are getting those kickbacks in the first place?

 I mentioned above what the benifits of  the club are and you are not
guaranteed anything reguarding a pre media ride or anything like that in the
clubs brochure.  It states simply that they have all kinds of events and
meetings and that as a member you are able to attend them if it is a official
club function.  Rastus/Jason seems to think that because you are a member you
should get benifits that are not a function of the club.  Most of those perks
are earned and not a right!

 >And as to these supposed perks that ACE reps and EC members get.  How many

Quote:
>people represent ACE officially in total?  Maybe 40, if you include the
>regional reps, their assistants and the entire EC?  I believe that at last
>count ACE had 8000 members.  40 reps would account for about one half of one
>percent

 Because a park invites a rep to get a private tour of construction in the
offseason or something is not a club event at all and is possibly a PERK but
ususally that rep post pictures of the action that UNDER ANY NORMAL
CIRCUMSTANCE is not available.   I am thankful for parks allowing this and just
because it was a rep and not everyone under the sun being invited to a session
where either 1. it is a safety concern for not inviting many or 2. is simply a
preview of things that normally wouldn't be seen by anyone.

 >Let's say for a worst case scenario that the

Quote:
>average rep stays in his or another position for 20 years.

If he is doing his part effectively then I have no problem with how long a rep
has the possition.

Quote:
>Let's say we put term limits in place for all postions, and let's even assume
>that people would not move from role to role.  Of course, this would
>not
>happen, but let's take a best case scenario, ok?  Let's say that the term
>that
>they are limited to is just 4 years.  In that 20 year period, there would be
>200 officers in ACE.  That would
>account for two and a half percent of ACE
>members now having access to those aleged perks.  And that's assuming the the
>group's membership does not grow, and that there is no turnover in the
> in the club's
>membership in a long 20 year period!  (And the group has grown from 6000 to
>over 8000 members in the past 3-4 years.)  

And that to me means they are doing something right and not slighting everybody
over everything as Rastus/Jason would have you believe.

Quote:
>Am I the only one who doesn't see increasing the exclusivity of these alleged
>perks from .5% of the membership to 2.5% of the membership as
>basically doing
>anything to change any alleged unfairness here?  I mean, the average member
>still would not have access to those perks, so how is this any better?

 Again the unfairness issue arrises,  Whats unfair about a park inviting
someone to a NON CLUB EVENT?   It is a privledge that is more than likely
earned.  Show proof before accusing and so far Rastus/Jason has shown very
little proof despite his thousands of post on the matter.

Quote:
>But I do find it very likely that ACE as a whole would LOSE perks.  After
>all,
>we get all sorts of bonuses because of the relationships that our reps have
>formed over the years with the people at the parks.  I could easily
>ee the
>prices of events going up more, food getting worse, and ERT sessions being
>not
>quite as good.  And I could see fewer local parks doing events as a result.

EXACTLY!

Quote:
>In summary, 2% of the members would get more perks.  100% of the members
>would
>lose perks.
>So how would letting a slightly larger -- but still tiny -- percentage of ACE
>members get these alleged perks help the membership at large if we ALL lose
>the
>perks that these reps get us as a result?  I fail to see the logic here.

If a Rep gets a invite and shares the information given by pictures, ace news,
rollercoaster or web pages it is a benifit to all club members IMHO as you or
even the Rep would not normally been invited at all!

Quote:
>And all of this assumes that we could find 200 members of ACE willing to do
>the
>hard work that the EC and the reps do.  I tend to doubt it.  ACE had so much
>trouble getting volunteers to help out that we now have to pay a professional
>firm to do some of the club's work.  So, who's going to fill those
>positions
>and make sure that we all get the "perks" that we're used to simply for being
>ACE members?

Thats one major point exactly,  There are a few people doing the majority of
work and I am thankful for those who are hardworking for the benifit of all
8,000 plus members. $50 for all this?  THATS A STEAL! A movie coaster about $20
to go to with refreshments now days!

 >It seems to me that this "solution" would only make things worse for the

Quote:
>average member.

 The only solution I see is ignoring Rastus/Jason for several reasons.  I have
not censored anyone on this board and will not do so.  A plonk by me is mearly
a statement that I totally dissagre with a persons views on a subject.

 Several of the reasons I will give to ignore Rastus/Jason are listed below.
1. This is a rollercoaster disscussion newsgroup and 98% of his post are not
rollercoaster related.

2. This is not in any way a official ACE forum.  (Although I kind of wish they
had one)

3. He continues his tyraid to the point of people, (Many of them great and
quality ROLLER COASTER Lovers and sharer's of information and experiences) JUST
LEAVING!

 Just forget the fact that many people including me enjoy reading the post of
Sean, Mark,Gary, Dana and many, many others who have simply left because of
repeated personal attacks by Rastus/Jason and a few others that they have NO
proof of.

 I personally would love to see all of them come back,  RRC isn't a club but it
was a well liked community  of posters.  Some remain but many, many are
choosing not to contibute do to harrassment.

Charles Nungester.
2 cents.  
Charles Nungester
SOB rides 157 Papa 1019
Count now 148 coasters.

 
 
 

Term limits for ACE reps?

Post by Sam Mar » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 03:06:10

I had regional reps that didn't contact the park nearest me, or try to plan
events there  because they basically didn't like the park. I found that to be
more of a dis-service than anything I can imagine.

This rep was replaced by a rep that cared, and wanted to serve his region
properly, and has since been replaced by a rep that is just as good, if not a
little more pro-active.

As for term limits, I indeed think that there should be a method to replace an
ineffective regional rep, but those who serve and do what's expected of them,
shouldn't be penalized for hard work done, in fact they should be rewarded!
Hey!  how about being allowed to represent ACE at their local parks media day?
works for me, and costs the club ZERO!

My best idea would be to have a survey go out with each annual renewal, asking
about the club and their local reps effectiveness. If there was a problem it
would be addressed, if not, then the term would continue.

SAM
Member of The Coaster Zombies Club
P.O. Box 12
Arlington,VA 22210-0012
www.coasterzombies.org

 
 
 

Term limits for ACE reps?

Post by Dave Althoff » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 05:37:11

How about this for an idea...

No term limit for a Regional Rep, because sometimes it's difficult to find
people in a region who actually want the job.  And because some regional
reps are tremendous and wonderful and so on and so forth.

But why not take a cue from some local governments, and *elect* our
regional reps?  On some regular basis, say, every few years or so, each
regional rep would be subject to election.  Many regional rep elections
might go uncontested, but it would provide a mechanism for people who want
to be regional reps to have a shot at the job, presumably with input from
the regional members.

It's just a thought.....

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Term limits for ACE reps?

Post by Charles Nungest » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 07:28:04

Quote:


>My best idea would be to have a survey go out with each annual renewal,
>asking
>about the club and their local reps effectiveness. If there was a problem it
>would be addressed, if not, then the term would continue.

>SAM

 I posted something like that a couple days ago,  A ballot or all willing to do
the job sent with every renewal and due in by a certain date like July fourth
or something and that person is dubed Rep for the Region for one or two years.

 I can many times see where it is a ungrateful possition and thank those who
take on the responsibility.

Chuck
Charles Nungester
SOB rides 157 Papa 1019
Count now 148 coasters.

 
 
 

Term limits for ACE reps?

Post by C. Montgomery Bur » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 08:36:04

I'm sure this was a well-intentioned post, but you might as well put
up a big sign that says "Calling All Trolls". Once Rastus chimes in
you can bet this thread will degrade, and those who have usefull
information to post will simply ignore it.

C. Montgomery Burns

 
 
 

Term limits for ACE reps?

Post by Tim Melag » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 08:52:54



Quote:
> How about this for an idea...

> No term limit for a Regional Rep, because sometimes it's difficult to find
> people in a region who actually want the job.  And because some regional
> reps are tremendous and wonderful and so on and so forth.

> But why not take a cue from some local governments, and *elect* our
> regional reps?  On some regular basis, say, every few years or so, each
> regional rep would be subject to election.  Many regional rep elections
> might go uncontested, but it would provide a mechanism for people who want
> to be regional reps to have a shot at the job, presumably with input from
> the regional members.

> It's just a thought.....

At the ACE business meeting this summer the Regional Rep system was
discussed.
One reason given for not having elections is that it takes time for a rep to
build a relationship with the parks. Imagine a park representative having to
deal with a different local ACE rep every four years. The relationships
would
not be as developed as they would be if they could develop over a period
longer
that four years. Another reason is that some regions would have trouble
finding
someone who would want the job. Would it make sense for a good rep, whose
term
expires, be replaced by an ineffective rep who ran unopposed in an election?

But I think you have a good idea, Dave. A good rep could be re-elected many
times.
An election could also let members vote out an ineffective rep or vote in
someone
who wants to become a rep. The only problem is that I know some reps would
not
want to be involved in a the politics of an election and some good reps
might just
give up their positions rather than go through the election process.

--

    http://users.sgi.net/~rollocst/rc.html

 
 
 

Term limits for ACE reps?

Post by Richard Koppelma » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:04:39

I will not even attempt to address all the issues you bring up here.
As for cash kickbacks to Regional Reps I have never, ever, heard even
a rumor of that till now.  As for any accusation that is made by
rattsass, I will, yet once agian, say PROVE IT.  But I digress.  I
was once a Regional Rep for many years, and when I wanted out they
couldn't find anyone to take my place (eventually my region was
absorbed into the Pittsburgh region).  Term limits are fine, but only
if you have new people ready and willing to do the work needed by
that position.

Rich

 
 
 

Term limits for ACE reps?

Post by Rastus O'Ging » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:51:47


Quote:

>Am I the only one who doesn't see increasing the exclusivity of these alleged
>perks from .5% of the membership to 2.5% of the membership as basically doing
>anything to change any alleged unfairness here?  I mean, the average member
>still would not have access to those perks, so how is this any better?

The beef has never been that the perks are taken.  THey always will
be, and they are earned to some degree.  Term limits would keep things
changing, let more folks meet with parks.

Surely you don't beleive that of the 8000 members of ACE, the current
20 you are talking about are the only ones civil enough to interact
with parks.  

Quote:
>But I do find it very likely that ACE as a whole would LOSE perks.  After all,
>we get all sorts of bonuses because of the relationships that our reps have
>formed over the years with the people at the parks.  I could easily see the
>prices of events going up more, food getting worse, and ERT sessions being not
>quite as good.  And I could see fewer local parks doing events as a result.

Because a rep changes?  Any park with PR worth their salt will have NO
problem dealing with a rep change every four years.  Assuming that the
PR rep at the park is the same for 4 years (not all that likely).

Quote:

>In summary, 2% of the members would get more perks.  100% of the members would
>lose perks.

>So how would letting a slightly larger -- but still tiny -- percentage of ACE
>members get these alleged perks help the membership at large if we ALL lose the
>perks that these reps get us as a result?  I fail to see the logic here.

>And all of this assumes that we could find 200 members of ACE willing to do the
>hard work that the EC and the reps do.  I tend to doubt it.  

Folks continue to say stuff like this.  I really don't understand it.
Maybe I'm totally out of the loop here, but I really can't see how
being a rep takes these hundreds of hours you talk about.  Hell, most
parks average one event every two or three years.  With multiple
parks, each rep AT MOST averages an event a year.  Let's say it takes
20 hours to work with the park to plan the event.  After all, that's
what the park PR folks are PAID to do.  Then you have a few small
newsletters, with news and some pics, maybe 10 hours per newsletter, 3
a year.  That's an average of about 50 hours a year, nowhere near the
hundreds you speak of.  That's an hour a week.  No, I'm not saying
they don't do anything, but they just simply aren't the martyrs some
folks build them up to be.

ACE had so much

Quote:
>trouble getting volunteers to help out that we now have to pay a professional
>firm to do some of the club's work.  So, who's going to fill those positions
>and make sure that we all get the "perks" that we're used to simply for being
>ACE members?

I don't think it was a lack of volunteers.  A club of 8000 members
NEEDS professionals to do stuff.  Just because someone can get elected
to Treasurer doesn't mean they have ANY business dealing with the
millions of dollars ACE touches each year.  Have you ever thought
about that?  MILLIONS of dollars.  I don't WANT a volunteer dealing
with that much money.  ACE is WAY too big for an old fanclub archaic
setup, and they are slowly expanding out.

Quote:

>It seems to me that this "solution" would only make things worse for the
>average member.

Rastus O'Ginga

Winner of the 2nd Annual C. Montgomery Burns Award for
Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence.

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Term limits for ACE reps?

Post by Rastus O'Ging » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:54:39



Quote:
>I had regional reps that didn't contact the park nearest me, or try to plan
>events there  because they basically didn't like the park. I found that to be
>more of a dis-service than anything I can imagine.

>This rep was replaced by a rep that cared, and wanted to serve his region
>properly, and has since been replaced by a rep that is just as good, if not a
>little more pro-active.

>As for term limits, I indeed think that there should be a method to replace an
>ineffective regional rep, but those who serve and do what's expected of them,
>shouldn't be penalized for hard work done, in fact they should be rewarded!
>Hey!  how about being allowed to represent ACE at their local parks media day?
>works for me, and costs the club ZERO!

>My best idea would be to have a survey go out with each annual renewal, asking
>about the club and their local reps effectiveness. If there was a problem it
>would be addressed, if not, then the term would continue.

>SAM

Thanks for the honest opinions Sam.  

Rastus O'Ginga

Winner of the 2nd Annual C. Montgomery Burns Award for
Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence.

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Term limits for ACE reps?

Post by Rastus O'Ging » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:57:08



Quote:

>At the ACE business meeting this summer the Regional Rep system was
>discussed.
>One reason given for not having elections is that it takes time for a rep to
>build a relationship with the parks. Imagine a park representative having to
>deal with a different local ACE rep every four years. The relationships
>would
>not be as developed as they would be if they could develop over a period
>longer
>that four years.

This would be a non-issue to a good PR rep at a park.

Another reason is that some regions would have trouble

Quote:
>finding
>someone who would want the job. Would it make sense for a good rep, whose
>term
>expires, be replaced by an ineffective rep who ran unopposed in an election?

>But I think you have a good idea, Dave. A good rep could be re-elected many
>times.
>An election could also let members vote out an ineffective rep or vote in
>someone
>who wants to become a rep. The only problem is that I know some reps would
>not
>want to be involved in a the politics of an election and some good reps
>might just
>give up their positions rather than go through the election process.

I would LOVE to see the elections.  Because, as you stated, some small
regions with few members would run in to problems.  At the very least,
everyone would have a chance at being a rep, which would be FAIR,
which is ultimately all that matters.

Rastus O'Ginga

Winner of the 2nd Annual C. Montgomery Burns Award for
Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence.

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Term limits for ACE reps?

Post by Howard Gilloo » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:06:27

Speaking as a Regional Rep, I would like to comment on some of your points
Rastus/Jason:

Quote:
>Folks continue to say stuff like this.  I really don't understand it.
>Maybe I'm totally out of the loop here, but I really can't see how
>being a rep takes these hundreds of hours you talk about.  Hell, most
>parks average one event every two or three years.  With multiple
>parks, each rep AT MOST averages an event a year.  Let's say it takes
>20 hours to work with the park to plan the event.  After all, that's
>what the park PR folks are PAID to do.  Then you have a few small
>newsletters, with news and some pics, maybe 10 hours per newsletter, 3
>a year.  That's an average of about 50 hours a year, nowhere near the
>hundreds you speak of.  That's an hour a week.  No, I'm not saying
>they don't do anything, but they just simply aren't the martyrs some
>folks build them up to be.

First of all, when we put out a newsletter, the entire process from writing to
stamping/stuffing is about 20 to 25 hours per newsletter!!!  Thats right 20 to
25 hours!!!  When you are sending out close to 300 newsletters, the process can
be staggering.  We put out 4 newsletters.  That's 100 hours there.  Then there
is the contacts with the park and membership inquiries.  While these don't take
a lot of time individually, they need prompt responses.  I get on average about
5 to 10 requests a week for information, both e-mail and snail mail.  And my
region is not one of the most active regions.  I know your regional rep
personally and I know he puts even more time in.  I also think you are low
balling the time to work on an event.  20 hours...please.  Between setting up
ride times, catering, getting the flyer ready, handling registration, and doing
the follow up work....there is a lot more to it than you think.   Also, many
regional reps incur a lot of the costs of producing a newsletter out of their
own pocket.  Yes, each region has a budget, but that budget amount covers
postage for 3 newsletters basically.  That's what ACE can afford for us.
Paper/Printing, envelopes and such in my case are covered by me.  Don't
undercut the work that the regional reps do, please.

As for park perks, let me just say this.  I have never asked a park to invite
me to press day...NEVER.  The parks, NOT ACE, make the decision who comes to
press day.  Don't even believe that if for some reason that reps where elected
that it would automatically get them into press days.  Parks will invite who
they feel comfortable with inviting.  Noone in ACE, not even the EC, has the
absolute right to be go to any press day.  Why do they get invited?  Maybe
because the park feel comfortable with them.  Afterall, it's THE PARKS PRESS
DAY...NOT AN ACE EVENT!!!

I have asked to take a photo tour, but those photos always end up either in a
regional newsletter, ACE News or both.  Most of the time, however, when I
needed photos, I rented out of my own pocket an airplane to fly over and get
the photos I needed.

Perhaps, Jason, if you took a more positive and proactive approach rather than
this incessant rant you carry on in here, you may find that there is no great
*** against you.  If you want to ask me anything about being a regional
rep, I will tell you openly and honestly.  Oh, I would like to know how I can
start getting these "cash kickbacks from the parks"  I've seen you talk about.
I have yet to get mine.

Howard
\I do and do and do for you kids and this is the thanks I get.

 
 
 

Term limits for ACE reps?

Post by BaSSiSti » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:17:47



Quote:
>First of all, when we put out a newsletter, the entire process from writing to
>stamping/stuffing is about 20 to 25 hours per newsletter!!!  Thats right 20 to
>25 hours!!!  When you are sending out close to 300 newsletters, the process can
>be staggering.  We put out 4 newsletters.  That's 100 hours there.  

Which would seriously cut into one's time for cruising gay *** sites.

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Term limits for ACE reps?

Post by mamoos » Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:39:49

Funnies post of the year...and just under the wire!  Way to go, Bass!

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Quote:

Gillooly)

> >First of all, when we put out a newsletter, the entire process from
writing to
> >stamping/stuffing is about 20 to 25 hours per newsletter!!!  Thats
right 20 to
> >25 hours!!!  When you are sending out close to 300 newsletters, the
process can
> >be staggering.  We put out 4 newsletters.  That's 100 hours there.

> Which would seriously cut into one's time for cruising gay ***
sites.

> Mike Miller - On the gravy train to coaster nirvana

> Upcoming trips for BaSSiStiSt:
> 12/15/01 - Ghostrider's Third Birthday
> 3/2/02 - KBF Winter Solace III
> May/June '02 - SRM '02, Indiana Beach, Michigan's Adventure
> Sept. '02 - Vancouver PNE/Puyallup/Silverwood