Question on "High-N-Dry" Storage?

Question on "High-N-Dry" Storage?

Post by york.. » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00


I just bought a brand new 27ft donzi that I'm storing in the high and
dry at my marina.  My question is, do all high and dry lifts cause
large s***and scrapes on the bottom of boats? my marina uses a huge
forklift thats specicically designed to lift boats. it has the black
*** covering the forks, my bunk has carpet on it. I've had my boat
put in the water three times so far and already the bottom is really
scuffed up. I waxed the entire boat last night and couldnt get the
s***off with "on-off"cleaner or 3M cleaner-wax. Is this a common
problem with all high and drys or is my marina doing something wrong?
(my marina has scratched the side of my boat 2 out of the three times
they have put it in so I think they may be doing something wrong)

Thanks
Todd Pote

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Post by H Kraus » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> I just bought a brand new 27ft donzi that I'm storing in the high and
> dry at my marina.  My question is, do all high and dry lifts cause
> large s***and scrapes on the bottom of boats? my marina uses a huge
> forklift thats specicically designed to lift boats. it has the black
> *** covering the forks, my bunk has carpet on it. I've had my boat
> put in the water three times so far and already the bottom is really
> scuffed up. I waxed the entire boat last night and couldnt get the
> s***off with "on-off"cleaner or 3M cleaner-wax. Is this a common
> problem with all high and drys or is my marina doing something wrong?
> (my marina has scratched the side of my boat 2 out of the three times
> they have put it in so I think they may be doing something wrong)

> Thanks
> Todd Pote

> --== Sent via Deja.com http://SportToday.org/
> ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---

Scuffing and scratching are the footprints of incompetent lift
operators. The fork of the fork lift is properly kept in the water below
the hull so alignment can be achieve before the boat is lifted. When the
fork is lifted, it is lifted straight up...not in a forward/backward or
side to side fashion. The vertical kiss of the fork and your boat's
bottom should not result in scuffing.

You might want to closely examine the forks to see if anything is worn
through or sticking through.

The side scratch problem can be eliminated by lots of complaints to the
marina owner. His fork lift operator is either inexperienced, dumb,
careless or in too much of a hurry.

--

Harry Krause
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Did you know that they took the word Gullible out of the dictionary?

 
 
 

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Post by marb.. » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

I have my boat in High & Dry as well, and there are some black scuff
marks on the bottom where the fork lift "prongs" come in contact with
the hull.  I have no scratches or goughes in the gelcoat though.

Only once have they put a scratch in the hull, and that was caused by
an exposed bolt on the end of the dock that the *** cover had
fallen off.  Disgruntled, I went to the dockmasters office and let him
know about it immediately.  He inspected the damage, and the next time
I used the boat, they had repaired the scratch so perfectly that I
could not identify it.

I will say there are different levels of High & Dry marinas.  I've
gone to some that were downright frightening!  I pay through the nose
for mine, but they jump at the blink of an eye.

 
 
 

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Post by RGrew1 » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

>I just bought a brand new 27ft donzi that I'm storing in the high and
>dry at my marina.  My question is, do all high and dry lifts cause
>large s***and scrapes on the bottom of boats? my marina uses a huge
>forklift thats specicically designed to lift boats. it has the black
>*** covering the forks, my bunk has carpet on it. I've had my boat
>put in the water three times so far and already the bottom is really
>scuffed up. I waxed the entire boat last night and couldnt get the
>s***off with "on-off"cleaner or 3M cleaner-wax. Is this a common
>problem with all high and drys or is my marina doing something wrong?
>(my marina has scratched the side of my boat 2 out of the three times
>they have put it in so I think they may be doing something wrong)

>Thanks
>Todd Pote

They are doing something wrong. There should be no marks on the hull. There was
some damage on my hull that the marina corrected without any difficulties. I
have been hi and dry since 96 and will stay that way. Advantages far outweigh
the disadvantages. Boat is not out in the weather so everything lasts longer.
The sun is very *** boats and really being in the water all the time is
rough on the outdrives too. Boat stays cleaner. I have never waited more than
10 minutes for them to have my boat in the water waiting for me. I highly
recommend rack storage.
 
 
 

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Post by york.. » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

Thanks for the advice guys,
I plan on having a second talk with the owner of the marina.
(apparently the 1st talk didn't do a whole lot since my boat got
scratched again)  At least I now know what to expect from a high and
dry when its correctly and obviously their not doinging something right!

Happy Boating
Todd



Quote:

> > I just bought a brand new 27ft donzi that I'm storing in the high
and
> > dry at my marina.  My question is, do all high and dry lifts cause
> > large s***and scrapes on the bottom of boats? my marina uses a
huge
> > forklift thats specicically designed to lift boats. it has the black
> > *** covering the forks, my bunk has carpet on it. I've had my
boat
> > put in the water three times so far and already the bottom is really
> > scuffed up. I waxed the entire boat last night and couldnt get the
> > s***off with "on-off"cleaner or 3M cleaner-wax. Is this a common
> > problem with all high and drys or is my marina doing something
wrong?
> > (my marina has scratched the side of my boat 2 out of the three
times
> > they have put it in so I think they may be doing something wrong)

> > Thanks
> > Todd Pote

> > --== Sent via Deja.com http://SportToday.org/
> > ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---

> Scuffing and scratching are the footprints of incompetent lift
> operators. The fork of the fork lift is properly kept in the water
below
> the hull so alignment can be achieve before the boat is lifted. When
the
> fork is lifted, it is lifted straight up...not in a forward/backward
or
> side to side fashion. The vertical kiss of the fork and your boat's
> bottom should not result in scuffing.

> You might want to closely examine the forks to see if anything is worn
> through or sticking through.

> The side scratch problem can be eliminated by lots of complaints to
the
> marina owner. His fork lift operator is either inexperienced, dumb,
> careless or in too much of a hurry.

> --

> Harry Krause
> - - - - - - - - - - - -
> Did you know that they took the word Gullible out of the dictionary?

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Post by MadCow » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

High-N-Dry isn't necessarily for everybody.  If you're retired and you live
right next to a marina and you hang out on the boat nearly every day and the
nearest rack storage is off on some other river somewhere, it makes sense to
leave the boat in the water until Fall.
 
 
 

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Post by Just Some Gu » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

I am surprised so many people actually like rack storage.  Must be the
infrequent usage.  What if you want to just sit there and watch a sunset?  How
about when a friend comes to visit but the weather is not so good and you want
to show him/her  the boat?  Do you sit in the parking lot and point up at the
transom?  Not to generalize but there are also lots of "boat yard bafoons"
handling boats.  Mine is launched once and hauled once a year and even that
makes me nervous.

The worst corrosion results from submerging and then air drying.  Metal is safer
sitting under water than constantly going in and out.  My boat sat in the water
every summer for 11 years, the bottom and submerged hardware are in perfect
condition.  Almost every person who rack stores where I winter has a broken
transducer or sensor.

As long as I am alive, I will live on the open land and dock on the water.
After that they can put my bones on a rack or in the ground!!

Regards,
John
--
29 Ft. 1988 Chris Craft Catalina 292
1995 Yahama Waverunner III
1984 12 Ft. Achilles W/Johnson 15 Hp.
NJ Coastal and ICW - Somers Point / Ocean City

 
 
 

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Post by H Kraus » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> I am surprised so many people actually like rack storage.  Must be the
> infrequent usage.  What if you want to just sit there and watch a sunset?  How
> about when a friend comes to visit but the weather is not so good and you want
> to show him/her  the boat?  Do you sit in the parking lot and point up at the
> transom?  Not to generalize but there are also lots of "boat yard bafoons"
> handling boats.  Mine is launched once and hauled once a year and even that
> makes me nervous.

I rack stored one of our small boats in Florida for a season. It was
very convenient. I'd call the marina and when I got to it, the boat was
in the water, tied to the dock. With rack storage, the boat was indoors,
away from UV damage. After each use, I could scrub the entire boat out
with soap and fresh water. Repairs were easier. There were many
advantages.

We rarely go down to the dock on our property to sit on a boat that
might be berthed there. I do snooze on the dock itself and sometimes
catch fish off it...but to sit on a berthed boat...seems silly to me.

 
 
 

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Post by TCarden » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

I rack store mine for several reasons.

1. I don't presently own a vehicle to tow my boat with. Not to mention the wear
and tear on such a vehicle.

2. I call the Marina when I get ready to leave home and when I get there, my
boat is in the water, gassed up and fresh ice in the coolers if I request.

3. On our 3rd trip, the lift operator noticed oil leaking from the out drive.
Seems a couple of the nuts had cracked. Before I got there, they had replaced
the cracked nuts and refilled the drive with oil. The bill was $6.33. They were
putting the boat in the water when I drove up. Service like that is hard to
beat.

As for the boat being out of the elements, protected from UV and having to have
automatic bilge pumps, I don't have to worry about that. Rack storage is the
way to go for me and I haven't seen a scratch yet.

The one thing I do wish my marina had is a place where I can wash it myself,
vacuume it out or even tinker with the things that need tinkering with. I'll
have tp pay them to install my new prop this week, a job I can handle myself
but I really don't mind with the quality of the other services I have recieved.

Just my .02

Tom

 
 
 

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Post by MadCow » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

Quote:
>>We rarely go down to the dock on our property to sit on a boat that might be

berthed there. I do snooze on the dock itself and sometimes catch fish off
it...but to sit on a berthed boat...seems silly to me.<<

Harry, if you had a Bayliner, you'd have a nice bed for that afternoon nap, and
the rocking is very snooze-friendly.  When you sleep on the dock, do the local
dogs*** your face?

 
 
 

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Post by H Kraus » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> >>We rarely go down to the dock on our property to sit on a boat that might be
> berthed there. I do snooze on the dock itself and sometimes catch fish off
> it...but to sit on a berthed boat...seems silly to me.<<

> Harry, if you had a Bayliner, you'd have a nice bed for that afternoon nap, and
> the rocking is very snooze-friendly.  When you sleep on the dock, do the local
> dogs*** your face?

No, dear. It's a private dock. The only four-legged critters that go out
on it are a couple of our cats. It's right on the ICW. If you ever
cruise out of Baltimore Harbor and the Bay and head for blue water, you
could pass by it. I did publish nearby GPS coordinates some months ago.
If you did pass by and I was there, I probably wouldn't wave.

--

Harry Krause
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Bartender: a pharmacist with a limited inventory.

 
 
 

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Post by Louie Kokini » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

A few of my friends have theirs on racks - I've never heard a negative
comment.  They fish weekends - a call from home and the boat is on the water
ready to go. Their boats also look better than equivalent moored ones. I
still prefer a trailer, but for someone who always leaves the same port -
its a convenience.

PS how would Harry be  better of sleeping in a Bayliner 17' CC than his?

Quote:

>>>We rarely go down to the dock on our property to sit on a boat that might
be
>berthed there. I do snooze on the dock itself and sometimes catch fish off
>it...but to sit on a berthed boat...seems silly to me.<<

>Harry, if you had a Bayliner, you'd have a nice bed for that afternoon nap,
and
>the rocking is very snooze-friendly.  When you sleep on the dock, do the
local
>dogs*** your face?

 
 
 

Question on "High-N-Dry" Storage?

Post by H Kraus » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

Quote:

> A few of my friends have theirs on racks - I've never heard a negative
> comment.  They fish weekends - a call from home and the boat is on the water
> ready to go. Their boats also look better than equivalent moored ones. I
> still prefer a trailer, but for someone who always leaves the same port -
> its a convenience.

> PS how would Harry be  better of sleeping in a Bayliner 17' CC than his?

Harry would be too nervous to sleep on a Bayliner. Any Bayliner. Unless
it was in dry storage.
 
 
 

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Post by Ted » Thu, 20 May 1999 04:00:00

After doing high and dry for 3 seasons and lift for 2 I've got to say a lift
is the best. Anytime any weather, all year long i can go to or use my boat.
the rack keeps the boat in good shape, no bottom painting, no bilge pump
worries, etc. I can even leave my frig on to keep beverages cold!!!   just
my .02     Ted

 
 
 

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Post by GSI Comp » Fri, 21 May 1999 04:00:00

Good points guys - I can say the marinas in my area wouldn't spit in your water
tank for $6.33.
I end up spending time on the boat at the dock since it is remote from my
residence.  Nice getaway when you havea  wife, 3 kids and a business.  Of
course the shower, air conditioning and water toys help too.  I have 99% given
up fishing because of the carpal tummel syndrome in both wrists but can't seem
to get boating out of my ***.  I spend about 50% of my "boat time" tinkering,
you're never out of projects.  I do anchor out during the day and would camp
out more if the wife liked it.  I travel less and less as my boats get bigger,
maybe 2 trips a season.   I am one inlet up form Atlantic City so that's always
a nice day trip.

Regards,
John R. Gibboni
GSI Computer Services
Somers Point, NJ