Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Post by chuckgould.ch.. » Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:16:40


This memo is being sent to WAMBE & RBAW members because of your
interest in boating safety.  If you would like off this list, please
let me know.

Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing".
 She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East
Pierce County Fire and Rescue.  This agency had dealt with two tragic
deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing.  For info on bill language go
to:  http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6364

The hearing for this bill is on February 1st in Olympia.  Unfortunately
it's at 8 AM, however Sen. Roach would like to have as many boaters as
possible show up to support this bill.  RBAW supports this bill and
it's intent. There may be discussions to amend the bill for word
smithing purposes to clarify the term "teak surfing", but all for the
better.  Clearly this is a bill all boating safety organizations should
have interest in and your participation at the hearing would be
welcomed by the bill's supporters.

RBAW plans to be there on the 1st.  If anybody else can make it and
needs further information, directions, etc. please let me know.  If you
want to testify PRO, you can say a few words why you or your
organization likes the bill.  Otherwise, you can just sign in PRO "not
wanting to testify".

Thanks and let me know if any questions.
~David Kutz
RBAW President

 
 
 

Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Post by Reggie Smither » Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:53:26

Quote:

> This memo is being sent to WAMBE & RBAW members because of your
> interest in boating safety.  If you would like off this list, please
> let me know.

> Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing".
>  She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East
> Pierce County Fire and Rescue.  This agency had dealt with two tragic
> deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing.  For info on bill language go
> to:  http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6364

> The hearing for this bill is on February 1st in Olympia.  Unfortunately
> it's at 8 AM, however Sen. Roach would like to have as many boaters as
> possible show up to support this bill.  RBAW supports this bill and
> it's intent. There may be discussions to amend the bill for word
> smithing purposes to clarify the term "teak surfing", but all for the
> better.  Clearly this is a bill all boating safety organizations should
> have interest in and your participation at the hearing would be
> welcomed by the bill's supporters.

> RBAW plans to be there on the 1st.  If anybody else can make it and
> needs further information, directions, etc. please let me know.  If you
> want to testify PRO, you can say a few words why you or your
> organization likes the bill.  Otherwise, you can just sign in PRO "not
> wanting to testify".

> Thanks and let me know if any questions.
> ~David Kutz
> RBAW President

Chuck,
I am concerned that the State of Washington is trying to override
Darwin's theories.  One should not mess with Mother Nature.

--
Reggie
***************************************************************
That's my story and I am sticking to it.

***************************************************************

 
 
 

Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Post by John » Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:07:18

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:53:26 -0500, Reggie Smithers

Quote:


>> This memo is being sent to WAMBE & RBAW members because of your
>> interest in boating safety.  If you would like off this list, please
>> let me know.

>> Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing".
>>  She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East
>> Pierce County Fire and Rescue.  This agency had dealt with two tragic
>> deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing.  For info on bill language go
>> to:  http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6364

>> The hearing for this bill is on February 1st in Olympia.  Unfortunately
>> it's at 8 AM, however Sen. Roach would like to have as many boaters as
>> possible show up to support this bill.  RBAW supports this bill and
>> it's intent. There may be discussions to amend the bill for word
>> smithing purposes to clarify the term "teak surfing", but all for the
>> better.  Clearly this is a bill all boating safety organizations should
>> have interest in and your participation at the hearing would be
>> welcomed by the bill's supporters.

>> RBAW plans to be there on the 1st.  If anybody else can make it and
>> needs further information, directions, etc. please let me know.  If you
>> want to testify PRO, you can say a few words why you or your
>> organization likes the bill.  Otherwise, you can just sign in PRO "not
>> wanting to testify".

>> Thanks and let me know if any questions.
>> ~David Kutz
>> RBAW President

>Chuck,
>I am concerned that the State of Washington is trying to override
>Darwin's theories.  One should not mess with Mother Nature.

I'll bite. What the hell is 'teak surfing'?
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

 
 
 

Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Post by DSK » Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:13:40

Quote:
>>Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing".
>>She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East
>>Pierce County Fire and Rescue.  This agency had dealt with two tragic
>>deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing.


> oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from
> themselves.

No, they want to give people more tickets.

Quote:
> do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity?
> ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser
> for the state.

> another useless piece of legislation.

If it raises revenue, then how can it be useless? I say let
them give expensive tickets to stupid & destructive people,
then they can lower my taxes.

DSK

 
 
 

Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Post by Doug Kante » Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:22:34


Quote:

> I'll bite. What the hell is 'teak surfing'?
> --
> John H

People grab onto the swim platform, often teak, and hang on as the boat
pulls them through the water. They're breathing fumes, so they sometimes get
carbon monoxide poisoning. If we're lucky and they're kids, they die and
their parents are less likely to reproduce again. The wife blames the
husband for doing something so stupid. She divorces him. Because of the
alimony, he can't afford the boat any more, so one less moron is out there
in a boat.
 
 
 

Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Post by chuckgould.ch.. » Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:48:05

Quote:


> >Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing".
> > She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East
> >Pierce County Fire and Rescue.  This agency had dealt with two tragic
> >deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing.

> oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from
> themselves.

> do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity?
> ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser
> for the state.

> another useless piece of legislation.

Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to
generate fines.

Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some
14 or 15 year old
is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give
them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight,
the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is
it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it
pisses off the cops.

If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if
need be, to see that the teak surfing stops.

There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be
removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are
probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats,
and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a
normal activity.

Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid
or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider
"stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be,
"Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the
first place and it's a good thing they died before they could
reproduce."

We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude.

 
 
 

Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Post by John » Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:01:00



Quote:

>> On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 06:53:26 -0500, Reggie Smithers


>>>> This memo is being sent to WAMBE & RBAW members because of your
>>>> interest in boating safety.  If you would like off this list, please
>>>> let me know.

>>>> Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing".
>>>>  She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East
>>>> Pierce County Fire and Rescue.  This agency had dealt with two tragic
>>>> deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing.  For info on bill language go
>>>> to:  http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=6364

>>>> The hearing for this bill is on February 1st in Olympia.  Unfortunately
>>>> it's at 8 AM, however Sen. Roach would like to have as many boaters as
>>>> possible show up to support this bill.  RBAW supports this bill and
>>>> it's intent. There may be discussions to amend the bill for word
>>>> smithing purposes to clarify the term "teak surfing", but all for the
>>>> better.  Clearly this is a bill all boating safety organizations should
>>>> have interest in and your participation at the hearing would be
>>>> welcomed by the bill's supporters.

>>>> RBAW plans to be there on the 1st.  If anybody else can make it and
>>>> needs further information, directions, etc. please let me know.  If you
>>>> want to testify PRO, you can say a few words why you or your
>>>> organization likes the bill.  Otherwise, you can just sign in PRO "not
>>>> wanting to testify".

>>>> Thanks and let me know if any questions.
>>>> ~David Kutz
>>>> RBAW President

>>> Chuck,
>>> I am concerned that the State of Washington is trying to override
>>> Darwin's theories.  One should not mess with Mother Nature.

>> I'll bite. What the hell is 'teak surfing'?
>> --
>> John H

>> ******************************************
>> ***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
>> ******************************************

>Hanging onto the swim platform and body surfing while the boat is
>pulling you. You can die by inhaling engine fumes, and I suppose you can
>also have a prop encounter.

>Stupid is as stupid does.

Thanks.
--
John H

******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

 
 
 

Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Post by RG » Sat, 28 Jan 2006 01:03:40

Quote:

> I'll bite. What the hell is 'teak surfing'?
> --

An activity usually done by young wakeboarding types, although often in the
presence of folks much older that you would assume to be wiser as well.  You
would be wrong about that assumption. The name comes from the material that
swim platforms tend to be made of that are attached to competition style
wakeboarding and ski boats that are oh so in vogue these days.  These types
of boats are most commonly used for teak surfing, although theoretically any
powerboat could get the job done with equally disastrous results.

The activity involves*** on to the swim platform with both hands while
in the water.  The helmsman then brings the boat up to a slow plane, and the
"surfer" then body surfs as he hangs on for dear life to the swim platform.
Unfortunately, dear life often is fleeting as a result of this exercise, due
to two complications that seem to evade any premonition of their
consequences by all participants involved.  First, the teak surfer's
nostrils are usually no more than about 24 inches away from the through
transom exhaust ports that the above mentioned type of boats tend to sport.
You will recall that said boat is now at speed, spewing copious amounts of
carbon monoxide in the general direction of the surfer's nostrils.  Second,
the wearing of a PFD tends to munge the flow of water under to soon to be
stone cold body of the surfer, thereby hindering the body surfacing
experience.  Therefore, teak surfing and the wearing of a PFD are mutually
exclusive.  This tends to make the inevitable consequence of complication
#1, namely unconsciousness, even more problematic as the surfer tends to go
directly to the bottom, depriving all aboard any opportunity to get a good
look at his blue self.  It also tends to make recovery of the surfer a real
***, usually best left to a professional dive team.

Now some may consider this sequence of events a genuine tragedy, and others
may look at it as a natural freshening of the gene pool.  But there is an
unfortunate side effect of this nonsense that I believe we all would agree
is tragic.  Since the perpetrators/victims of teak surfing (call 'em as you
see 'em) are typical Americans, there is a compulsory denial of self
responsibility for their actions.  Surely the fault lies elsewhere, rather
than with the owner/operator of the boat or the person lying on the bottom
of the lake.  And who better to find the true bearer of this guilt than a
personal injury attorney?  Not surprising, and without exception, the PI
attorney's keen sense of smell for dollars always leads directly to the door
of the marine industry.  This has resulted in numerous lawsuits against the
companies that manufacture the boats and motors that the rest of seem to
enjoy on a regular basis without loss of life.  One grieving and vengeful
mother of a deceased young surfer publicly decried that the marine industry
was in the business of making "*** machines".  There are two immediate
results of these lawsuits.  First, the tremendous cost of defending them
gets passed along to the consumer in the form of higher prices.  Second the
next new boat you buy will be plastered with ugly and obnoxious stickers
everywhere, warning of the dangers of carbon monoxide poisoning as well as
*** on to the swim platform of a boat under way.

I am not making any of this up.  It's the real deal.

 
 
 

Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Post by Calif Bil » Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:20:54


Quote:



>> >Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing".
>> > She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East
>> >Pierce County Fire and Rescue.  This agency had dealt with two tragic
>> >deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing.

>> oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from
>> themselves.

>> do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity?
>> ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser
>> for the state.

>> another useless piece of legislation.

> Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to
> generate fines.

> Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some
> 14 or 15 year old
> is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give
> them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight,
> the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is
> it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it
> pisses off the cops.

> If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if
> need be, to see that the teak surfing stops.

> There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be
> removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are
> probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats,
> and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a
> normal activity.

> Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid
> or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider
> "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be,
> "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the
> first place and it's a good thing they died before they could
> reproduce."

> We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude.

Very well said.  Also it is going to protect the marine industry from bounty
hunter lawsuits.  If you are breaking the law, will be harder to collect for
the persons stupidity or ignorance.
 
 
 

Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Post by Doug Kante » Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:23:21


Quote:


>> Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some
>> 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing...

>> Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid
>> or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider
>> "stupid".

> Why would I permit unsupervised minors to operate a boat?

Happens all the time. However, excluding jet skis for the moment, I actually
see more dangerous things done by so-called ***s.
 
 
 

Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Post by chuckgould.ch.. » Sat, 28 Jan 2006 02:31:58

Quote:



> > Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some
> > 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing...

> > Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid
> > or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider
> > "stupid".

> Why would I permit unsupervised minors to operate a boat?

You're very lucky if your kids come to you, or came to you, for
permission before doing anything.

We see kids that look too young to drive a car out tooling around in
16-20 foot ski boats rather often. Partcularly on Lake Washington,
where a lot of wealthy families live along the shore, keep boats in
slips, and it isn't even unusual for the kids to have their "own"
boats.

The situation is perhaps a bit similar up at Lake Tapps, where the two
deaths used in the example occured. Upper end suburban community, most
households need two incomes to make the mortgage payments and the car
notes, ***agers home alone all day in the summer, boat just sitting in
the slip, folks tell their high school age kids it's OK to go water
skiing,...........

 
 
 

Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Post by Calif Bil » Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:24:55


Quote:


>> Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some
>> 14 or 15 year old is teak surfing...

>> Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid
>> or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider
>> "stupid".

> Why would I permit unsupervised minors to operate a boat?

A 16 year old can go drive the car without an *** in it.  Most of the teak
surfing deaths are probably the 18-30's.  And I and my friends got to drive
the boats with out ***s aboard 45-50 years ago, and few did not survive
the experience.  First fatal accident I saw, was a 25 year old drunk, that
left the dock full throttle in a Vee drive and ran over a couple in a small
fishing boat while still in the 5 mph zone.
 
 
 

Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Post by Dene » Sat, 28 Jan 2006 07:44:39


Quote:



> > >Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak surfing".
> > > She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East
> > >Pierce County Fire and Rescue.  This agency had dealt with two tragic
> > >deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing.

> > oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from
> > themselves.

> > do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity?
> > ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser
> > for the state.

> > another useless piece of legislation.

> Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to
> generate fines.

> Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some
> 14 or 15 year old
> is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give
> them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight,
> the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is
> it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it
> pisses off the cops.

> If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if
> need be, to see that the teak surfing stops.

> There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be
> removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are
> probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats,
> and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a
> normal activity.

> Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid
> or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider
> "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be,
> "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the
> first place and it's a good thing they died before they could
> reproduce."

> We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude.

The biggest problem the state of Washington has is it's full time
legislature.  Washingtonians should adopt Oregon's model....meet every other
summer.  Since our summers are so short, legislators are in a rush to finish
the job and get home.  Net result is efficiency....no time for nonsense.

-Greg

 
 
 

Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Post by Calif Bil » Sat, 28 Jan 2006 08:55:20


Quote:





>> > >Senator Pam Roach has sponsored Senate Bill 6364 to ban "teak
>> > >surfing".
>> > > She was prompted by one of her constituent organizations, the East
>> > >Pierce County Fire and Rescue.  This agency had dealt with two tragic
>> > >deaths on Lake Tapps due to teak surfing.

>> > oh for petes sake - another do-gooder who wants to save people from
>> > themselves.

>> > do they seriously think a law is going to stop this type of activity?
>> > ill bet there is a fine attached to this - just another revenue raiser
>> > for the state.

>> > another useless piece of legislation.

>> Actually, not just "another piece of useless legislation" designed to
>> generate fines.

>> Right now, if a cop sees some 16 year old kid running a boat while some
>> 14 or 15 year old
>> is teak surfing, about all the cop can do is pull them over and give
>> them a lecture about safety. Of course once the cop is out of sight,
>> the allure of teak surfing is immediately tripled, because not only is
>> it some sort of fun, but now it's also borderline dangerous *and* it
>> pisses off the cops.

>> If there's a law, the cops can go as far as arresting the operator, if
>> need be, to see that the teak surfing stops.

>> There's a difference between being mentally defective ("should be
>> removed from the gene pool") and uninformed. A lot of teak surfers are
>> probably kids who don't ordinarily spend a lot of time around boats,
>> and when "all" their friends are doing it they just assume it's a
>> normal activity.

>> Here's hoping you never answer a knock on your door to learn that a kid
>> or a grandkid was killed while doing something others would consider
>> "stupid". My bet is that the last thought to cross your mind would be,
>> "Oh, well. If they were that stupid they didn't deserve to live in the
>> first place and it's a good thing they died before they could
>> reproduce."

>> We're talking actual lives here, not some abstract talk show platitude.

> The biggest problem the state of Washington has is it's full time
> legislature.  Washingtonians should adopt Oregon's model....meet every
> other
> summer.  Since our summers are so short, legislators are in a rush to
> finish
> the job and get home.  Net result is efficiency....no time for nonsense.

> -Greg

Biggest error we made in California is letting Jessie Unruh convience us we
needed a full time legislature.
 
 
 

Bill to ban "teak surfing" introduced in WA State

Post by chuckgould.ch.. » Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:14:39

Quote:

> The biggest problem the state of Washington has is it's full time
> legislature.  Washingtonians should adopt Oregon's model....meet every other
> summer.  Since our summers are so short, legislators are in a rush to finish
> the job and get home.  Net result is efficiency....no time for nonsense.

> -Greg

We don't have a full time legislature.

The legislature meets for a few weeks each spring, (usually out of
session by March or April), and the legislators earn about $30,000 per
year- (if I recall correctly). For most of the lawyers, business execs,
etc who are serving in the legislature $10,000 a month is a pretty
serious pay cut- not to mention how it their absence messes up a
professional practice or a business.

Do you feel there should not be a law against teak sufing?